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And more recently there was the case of the very junior line captain promoted to training captain after stalling an airplane on intermediate approach to BKK. If it had been anyone else but the FTMs protege he would have been sacked or demoted too. All queries on that issue direct to Flight Training Manager. Safe? Standard? Efficient? Rubbish. Try Cronyism, Favouritism, Nepotism.
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Apololgies, my memory was faulty then, I thought it was an A320. I suppose the main difference between the 2 incidents is that the first one was due to a criminal disregard for flight safety, the second pure incompetence not malice. Neither should have been dealt with with such leniency. Nice to get such an informed, intelligent response from spoton. Wonder which management cave he crouches in?
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I would like to draw everyone’s attention to what is written on the bottom of every one of the pages of this forum,
"As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions."
It seems to be working.
Maybe this forum would be better served by only allowing people who actually work for the company to post?
"As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions."
It seems to be working.
Maybe this forum would be better served by only allowing people who actually work for the company to post?
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Drag, Welcome to the thread. And what would your interest in the thread from the UAE be then?
I am ex RBA, know more about the incident referred to than was ever put in the MOR (I have seen a copy of the DFDR) - which itself was only submitted after a prompt from management - and fully agree with xrba comments regarding leniency. In fact the latter case appears to actually reward the captains incompetence and, shall we say reticence in submitting the MOR, by promoting him.
FTM should fall on his sword over his mismanagement of the whole affair.
I am ex RBA, know more about the incident referred to than was ever put in the MOR (I have seen a copy of the DFDR) - which itself was only submitted after a prompt from management - and fully agree with xrba comments regarding leniency. In fact the latter case appears to actually reward the captains incompetence and, shall we say reticence in submitting the MOR, by promoting him.
FTM should fall on his sword over his mismanagement of the whole affair.
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Hmm...TA, being ex RBA makes me wonder how you got hold of such sensitive information...still have contacts inside I guess...would be interesting to see what would happen to said contact if he/she was exposed...maybe it was bananas...you fellows seem close...would have thought only people in the safety office would have access to such sensitive info as a dfdr.
And what did the F/O do that was such a direct assault on flight safety? Surely an F/O can't have that great an effect unless the commander is also somewhat complacent/incompetent?
Seems to me that a few bitter souls are attacking the company...what reasons who knows...have had emails from a few insiders and they seem happy enough...nowhere is perfect...every company has it's whingers...if we believed everything on this rumour board then everyone from BA,EK,CX,VB,QF,J*, Ryanair..blah blah ad infenitum is no worthy of the efforts of us professionals.
But there seems only one whinging insider here...a certain fruity fellow...and one or two ex RBAs...perhaps there is a connection?
So 2 or 3 unhappy fellows...and only one current in the company...what does that tell us about RBA? Perhaps lots of others not that unhappy?
Alwaya going to be one or two losers who didn't get what they believed was their due recognition...usually incompetence got in the way of their ego...hence bitter.
And what did the F/O do that was such a direct assault on flight safety? Surely an F/O can't have that great an effect unless the commander is also somewhat complacent/incompetent?
Seems to me that a few bitter souls are attacking the company...what reasons who knows...have had emails from a few insiders and they seem happy enough...nowhere is perfect...every company has it's whingers...if we believed everything on this rumour board then everyone from BA,EK,CX,VB,QF,J*, Ryanair..blah blah ad infenitum is no worthy of the efforts of us professionals.
But there seems only one whinging insider here...a certain fruity fellow...and one or two ex RBAs...perhaps there is a connection?
So 2 or 3 unhappy fellows...and only one current in the company...what does that tell us about RBA? Perhaps lots of others not that unhappy?
Alwaya going to be one or two losers who didn't get what they believed was their due recognition...usually incompetence got in the way of their ego...hence bitter.
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Just a month ago you were asking what aircraft types RBA flew!! How come you are a sleuth.????
Go and apply to RBA and if you get taken on then please report back how you find it.
I know lots of people from my old company in UK who used to join RBA but not anymore for all the reasons mentioned by TA and others.
Just a month ago you were asking what aircraft types RBA flew!! How come you are a sleuth.????
Go and apply to RBA and if you get taken on then please report back how you find it.
I know lots of people from my old company in UK who used to join RBA but not anymore for all the reasons mentioned by TA and others.
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I think 'uninformed' is definitely the word here. Or perhaps the sleuth is just trying to wind everybody up.
If he spent a little bit of time reading through some of the pages on this forum he'd soon realise that RBA are in big trouble and have turned themselves (almost overnight) from an airline with fantastic potential into a dangerous cowboy outfit.
If he spent a little bit of time reading through some of the pages on this forum he'd soon realise that RBA are in big trouble and have turned themselves (almost overnight) from an airline with fantastic potential into a dangerous cowboy outfit.
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This is no cowboy outfit.
There have been a few incidents lately, it’s true.
But they are not the norm.
Every airline has problems, some more than others. What you’re talking about here is a misrepresentation of the facts. Read in conjunction with a defence, your remarks would fall away like dirt from washed linen.
Most of the professional pilots here are quietly going about their business. They can’t respond because they’re still here, marooned, with cowboys. Or are they?
The unfortunate SFO recently sacked did not wilfully endanger the aircraft. He got out of his seat. That was a dumb thing to do; incredibly dumb; unexplainably stupid even.
To try and put legs on it and make him out to be a malicious, dangerous aviator is stretching it. He did the wrong thing, deliberately, but not maliciously.
What are you doing, guys? Your actions are deliberate, malicious and done under the cloak of anonymity.
The 'cowboy outfit' has sacked the SFO, immediately. I’d say he’s paid for his mistake, wouldn’t you?
So I’d invite the person who first mentioned this to therefore delete that post, or edit it to remove all reference to the guy. As should all others.
That guy has a lot of climbing to do to recover his career. You wouldn’t want people repeatedly dragging your errors to the surface while you struggle for air, would you?
As for the Captain referred to, bit wet behind the ears, could have done it a different way, referencing the QRH maybe, or getting away from the ground, out of the ‘wedding cake’ to a safe height for analysis.
He didn’t.
And he did not stall the aircraft!
You’re still piloting, I assume, so be very careful. **** happens, and it may be around the corner waiting for you. One slip…
Oh, there’s one other thing. It was a critical system malfunction on the approach to BKK. He didn’t create the malfunction, he responded to it.
Changes the outlook a little, doesn’t it? At least for the casual reader who we primaril addressing, you know.
Does it bother you that you may be damaging the reputation of the airline here, on PPRuNe?
RBA will grow through these problems. But not by being publicly slandered. I guess that’s the difference between professionals and real cowboys.
There have been a few incidents lately, it’s true.
But they are not the norm.
Every airline has problems, some more than others. What you’re talking about here is a misrepresentation of the facts. Read in conjunction with a defence, your remarks would fall away like dirt from washed linen.
Most of the professional pilots here are quietly going about their business. They can’t respond because they’re still here, marooned, with cowboys. Or are they?
The unfortunate SFO recently sacked did not wilfully endanger the aircraft. He got out of his seat. That was a dumb thing to do; incredibly dumb; unexplainably stupid even.
To try and put legs on it and make him out to be a malicious, dangerous aviator is stretching it. He did the wrong thing, deliberately, but not maliciously.
What are you doing, guys? Your actions are deliberate, malicious and done under the cloak of anonymity.
The 'cowboy outfit' has sacked the SFO, immediately. I’d say he’s paid for his mistake, wouldn’t you?
So I’d invite the person who first mentioned this to therefore delete that post, or edit it to remove all reference to the guy. As should all others.
That guy has a lot of climbing to do to recover his career. You wouldn’t want people repeatedly dragging your errors to the surface while you struggle for air, would you?
As for the Captain referred to, bit wet behind the ears, could have done it a different way, referencing the QRH maybe, or getting away from the ground, out of the ‘wedding cake’ to a safe height for analysis.
He didn’t.
And he did not stall the aircraft!
You’re still piloting, I assume, so be very careful. **** happens, and it may be around the corner waiting for you. One slip…
Oh, there’s one other thing. It was a critical system malfunction on the approach to BKK. He didn’t create the malfunction, he responded to it.
Changes the outlook a little, doesn’t it? At least for the casual reader who we primaril addressing, you know.
Does it bother you that you may be damaging the reputation of the airline here, on PPRuNe?
RBA will grow through these problems. But not by being publicly slandered. I guess that’s the difference between professionals and real cowboys.
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I dont normally agree with you LAAJ but have to agree with 99% of your last post. I think that one point has escaped your otherwise eloquent prose though. The captain responding to the critical failure (LE Slat Assym) is not a target. He has unfortunately become one though because of the actions of the FTM who is solely responsible for all the unwelcome attention that has been thrust upon him, just as he was with KB and his command course.
You can call it misguidedly looking after your mate, or something less professional if you prefer but the fact of the matter is that he thrust an unfortunate captain into the spotlight when he should have been kept behind the scenes for a little while.
That is very poor management and not intended as a reflection on the actual incident.
I do agree that this thread should perhaps be edited as it must make very uncomfortable reading for a few people who have already suffered enough and will obviously make no difference whatsoever to the people with hides like rhinos who will undoubtedly carry on regardless.
You can call it misguidedly looking after your mate, or something less professional if you prefer but the fact of the matter is that he thrust an unfortunate captain into the spotlight when he should have been kept behind the scenes for a little while.
That is very poor management and not intended as a reflection on the actual incident.
I do agree that this thread should perhaps be edited as it must make very uncomfortable reading for a few people who have already suffered enough and will obviously make no difference whatsoever to the people with hides like rhinos who will undoubtedly carry on regardless.
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LAAJ,
It was not my intention to upset you or any of the staff at RBA who work very hard to keep the airline running given the current HR problems. In this respect 'cowboy outfit' was the wrong term to use and I apologise.
However, from reading the numerous negative posts on this forum relating to flight crew fatigue,an ageing fleet, engine seizures etc. etc I do believe that the CEO and management are taking excessive risks in the pursuit of profitability.
Surely, an airline's reputation should go hand in hand with a commitment to ensuring safety in all aspects of its operation, and should not be based on some PPRUNE slinging match.
It was not my intention to upset you or any of the staff at RBA who work very hard to keep the airline running given the current HR problems. In this respect 'cowboy outfit' was the wrong term to use and I apologise.
However, from reading the numerous negative posts on this forum relating to flight crew fatigue,an ageing fleet, engine seizures etc. etc I do believe that the CEO and management are taking excessive risks in the pursuit of profitability.
Surely, an airline's reputation should go hand in hand with a commitment to ensuring safety in all aspects of its operation, and should not be based on some PPRUNE slinging match.
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From a limited perspective most of LAAJ’s comments are correct, but it is not the whole picture. With a BOD’s whose grasp of real world airline operations is, at best, tenuous, whose decisions [when they are made!] are completely subjected to arcane Bruneian politics, and whose only response to problems has been to chant “must cut costs, cut costs”, an expat CEO who has been emasculated, whatever bright ideas he may once have had, a domineering HR department whose only answer is ‘as above’, and a craven pilot leadership whose management style consists of threats backed up by an inexplicable random sacking, a poorly rewarded workforce whose pilot rosters are so bad as to star in the ‘world’s worst roster’ thread, and many other woes, it is a tribute to the remaining rank and file professionals that RBA continues to function at all. No wonder virtually all the experienced captains who can do so are desperately trying to leave. When a well-respected, mature TRE/IRE seeks a F/O post with another Asian carrier the writing is on the wall for those who wish to read it.
RBA are unlikely to “grow through their problems” without a radical policy shift, and what's the chances of that? They will probably just continue their decline, and that’s a shame for those of us with fond memories of better times.
RBA are unlikely to “grow through their problems” without a radical policy shift, and what's the chances of that? They will probably just continue their decline, and that’s a shame for those of us with fond memories of better times.
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Things will never improve while you are led by incompetents whose first, last and only loyalty is to themselves.
The DFTM Airbus has already resigned, the 3 who went for their KA interviews have all been accepted and one who didn't get through the KA initial interview has been offered a 744 command with SQ. Another captain has his SQ interview in a couple of weeks. Add to that the number of F/Os who are waiting for their interviews and any properly run airline would be actively doing something about the situation.
But as long as the Dalai Lama can keep getting his nights in BKK and his partner in crime can keep going to SYD, AKL, BNE (is he frightened of FRA?) and get away with it because no senior manager has the cojones to rein them in......well things will just quietly carry on getting worse, people will continue to leave and worthless empires will continue to be built.
What an outfit. Foxy, where are you?
The DFTM Airbus has already resigned, the 3 who went for their KA interviews have all been accepted and one who didn't get through the KA initial interview has been offered a 744 command with SQ. Another captain has his SQ interview in a couple of weeks. Add to that the number of F/Os who are waiting for their interviews and any properly run airline would be actively doing something about the situation.
But as long as the Dalai Lama can keep getting his nights in BKK and his partner in crime can keep going to SYD, AKL, BNE (is he frightened of FRA?) and get away with it because no senior manager has the cojones to rein them in......well things will just quietly carry on getting worse, people will continue to leave and worthless empires will continue to be built.
What an outfit. Foxy, where are you?
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Do not agree with you LAAJ. The Capt's & SFO mentioned were not targets. It's the results that are in question.
Cronyism, Favourtism, Nepotism are alive and well in RBA. Thats how the DFO got his position. He has no leadership skills and is intolerant of change.
Most Professional Pilots here are quietly going about their business. RUBBISH. Most are being pushed to the limit. All are waiting for even basic change, like roster improvements and rostering improvements. We are working our butts off without the recommended time off.
The respected DFTM (Airbus) leaving for Dragon (as an FO) shows just how much frustration there is. What a waste of talent, not to mention the training costs involved. The 767 fleet is worse.
BOD get your act together and sack the cowboys who are bringing the airline to its knees, and driving the talent away.
Call a meeting and lets vote to replace the DFO and 2 Fleet Mismanagers.
Cronyism, Favourtism, Nepotism are alive and well in RBA. Thats how the DFO got his position. He has no leadership skills and is intolerant of change.
Most Professional Pilots here are quietly going about their business. RUBBISH. Most are being pushed to the limit. All are waiting for even basic change, like roster improvements and rostering improvements. We are working our butts off without the recommended time off.
The respected DFTM (Airbus) leaving for Dragon (as an FO) shows just how much frustration there is. What a waste of talent, not to mention the training costs involved. The 767 fleet is worse.
BOD get your act together and sack the cowboys who are bringing the airline to its knees, and driving the talent away.
Call a meeting and lets vote to replace the DFO and 2 Fleet Mismanagers.
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As it happens, I was only referring to the image of cowboys flying the planes.
I've re-read my post and trust that message comes through clearly enough.
Please don't mix my support for you or the rest of the pilot group, specifically the former SFO, with issues beyond my reach.
Lastly, I'm not into meetings.
I've re-read my post and trust that message comes through clearly enough.
Please don't mix my support for you or the rest of the pilot group, specifically the former SFO, with issues beyond my reach.
Lastly, I'm not into meetings.
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Displaying the double standards long espoused by RBA management, LAAJ, secure in the anonimity he so despises in others, produces a defence for the unseated SFO that would make Clinton’s lawyers proud. Must remember the “RBA defence” next time I’m caught driving round the M25 from the back of the old Granada. Not only would I be sacked by my mini-cab employers, but I would expect to find myself wrestling Chas for the top bunk, and dreading my next shower. In RBA sackings it seems are reserved for those unfortunates who have committed no offence, just a decade of loyal service, with a level of competence and experience that the outfit badly needs. How anyone could consider a ‘bit wet behind the ears’ YOUR WORDS LAAJ, very junior pilot as suitable training captain material is a good indication of the current state in play in Paradise.