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thegypsy:
>>Thermal Image You are confusing locals lack of mobility which is totally different to an ex-pat having less job security. Yes as an ex-pat I can return home or seek a job elsewhere,whereas I recognise in Singapore you are giving up one hell of a lot by leaving. As PM Goh says are you a stayer or a quitter?? How about his daughter???
Whatever you want to call it, "job security" to the locals usually means: fly for SIA or don't fly, whereas to the expats it usually means: fly for SIA or someone else, but still fly. This is based on my observation that expats come and go but remain pilots (most of the time). Locals come and go but once they go they stop flying (most of the time). Not talking about retirement or medical reasons here, but change of employer.
>>However in SIA Locals have permanent contracts and yes you can be terminated at 3 months notice but in practice this only happens to locals such as the SQ6 incident and say the A310- which went off the end of the runway at Kuching. In all other respects you are fairly safe in your employment.
The contract is not quite "permanent". It does not have an end date, but this does not quite make it "permanent". Either party can give 3 months notice or payment in lieu. How permanent can that be? The clause to terminate the contract is there, just because it has not been exercised much (until now) does not mean it will not be used.
"Safe in your employment" is a mere perception at best, particularly now.
>>I cannot believe that any locals will be terminated in the present crisis until all ex-pats have gone.
I haven't looked at the payscales lately. Do expat payscales start only after the local payscales end? Or is there an overlap? Because BSK had intimated (around the time he came on board)that he just can't see what value some locals add - referring to those at the top of their payscales, being ordinary line captains, grumpy and troublesome.
That could mean he'd rather sack these useless decrepit locals rather than expats who may cost less.
>>Thermal Image You are confusing locals lack of mobility which is totally different to an ex-pat having less job security. Yes as an ex-pat I can return home or seek a job elsewhere,whereas I recognise in Singapore you are giving up one hell of a lot by leaving. As PM Goh says are you a stayer or a quitter?? How about his daughter???
Whatever you want to call it, "job security" to the locals usually means: fly for SIA or don't fly, whereas to the expats it usually means: fly for SIA or someone else, but still fly. This is based on my observation that expats come and go but remain pilots (most of the time). Locals come and go but once they go they stop flying (most of the time). Not talking about retirement or medical reasons here, but change of employer.
>>However in SIA Locals have permanent contracts and yes you can be terminated at 3 months notice but in practice this only happens to locals such as the SQ6 incident and say the A310- which went off the end of the runway at Kuching. In all other respects you are fairly safe in your employment.
The contract is not quite "permanent". It does not have an end date, but this does not quite make it "permanent". Either party can give 3 months notice or payment in lieu. How permanent can that be? The clause to terminate the contract is there, just because it has not been exercised much (until now) does not mean it will not be used.
"Safe in your employment" is a mere perception at best, particularly now.
>>I cannot believe that any locals will be terminated in the present crisis until all ex-pats have gone.
I haven't looked at the payscales lately. Do expat payscales start only after the local payscales end? Or is there an overlap? Because BSK had intimated (around the time he came on board)that he just can't see what value some locals add - referring to those at the top of their payscales, being ordinary line captains, grumpy and troublesome.
That could mean he'd rather sack these useless decrepit locals rather than expats who may cost less.
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Thermal Image Yes indeed I am sure SIA would like to get rid of the most expensive Pilots ie those on the top scale who are mostly Locals,but there would be an uproar from those usually 'subservent' pilots I think that even the CEO could not ignore.
Expats are on the same payscales as locals,but have rent allowance and education allowance ,and an ex-pat allowance,whilst all locals are in the CPF scheme whereas only expats who have been in SIA for about 7 years or more are in it. The others are in the PF scheme which costs SIA less and those who have joined in the last 18months or so have no scheme at all,so depending on whether they have children at school they are very cheap Pilots indeed,so in pure 'Economic ' terms those last in are the lowest paid.
Locals progress to the top scales whilst very few ex-pats will ever get anywhere near them.
The difference between the lowest payscale and the top is huge,far greater than in most Airlines and I guess now is the time for SIA to attack this.SIA will as always take full advantage of this crisis to further erode the T&C of all Pilots,which one of the 'armchair' Generals hates with a passion.
Expats are on the same payscales as locals,but have rent allowance and education allowance ,and an ex-pat allowance,whilst all locals are in the CPF scheme whereas only expats who have been in SIA for about 7 years or more are in it. The others are in the PF scheme which costs SIA less and those who have joined in the last 18months or so have no scheme at all,so depending on whether they have children at school they are very cheap Pilots indeed,so in pure 'Economic ' terms those last in are the lowest paid.
Locals progress to the top scales whilst very few ex-pats will ever get anywhere near them.
The difference between the lowest payscale and the top is huge,far greater than in most Airlines and I guess now is the time for SIA to attack this.SIA will as always take full advantage of this crisis to further erode the T&C of all Pilots,which one of the 'armchair' Generals hates with a passion.
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>>Thermal Image Yes indeed I am sure SIA would like to get rid of the most expensive Pilots ie those on the top scale who are mostly Locals,but there would be an uproar from those usually 'subservent' pilots I think that even the CEO could not ignore.
Hmm, I think the wail of axed locals will be drowned by the sound of adding machines ringing. I'm sure you know by now that money talks in SIA. The folks who crafted the payscales have only themselves to blame for building up such a spread between base and ceiling. Payback time.
Now that these old farts are way more expensive than perhaps mid level expats, it's time for them to take early retirement. The facts of how much they cost the company will be hard to ignore, especially for those who are nothing more than old line captains (with nothing that can be used to beef up their argument that should stay, compared to captains earning less but holding more productive appointments such as instructional posts).
Seems you noticed too that BSK does not have too much fondness for certain old farts who have more than passed their sell-by date.
>>Thermal Image Yes indeed I am sure SIA would like to get rid of the most expensive Pilots ie those on the top scale who are mostly Locals,but there would be an uproar from those usually 'subservent' pilots I think that even the CEO could not ignore.
Hmm, I think the wail of axed locals will be drowned by the sound of adding machines ringing. I'm sure you know by now that money talks in SIA. The folks who crafted the payscales have only themselves to blame for building up such a spread between base and ceiling. Payback time.
Now that these old farts are way more expensive than perhaps mid level expats, it's time for them to take early retirement. The facts of how much they cost the company will be hard to ignore, especially for those who are nothing more than old line captains (with nothing that can be used to beef up their argument that should stay, compared to captains earning less but holding more productive appointments such as instructional posts).
Seems you noticed too that BSK does not have too much fondness for certain old farts who have more than passed their sell-by date.
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I think you will find that many of the 'Old Farts', as you choose to call them, went to school with today's senior Generals and Cabinet Ministers and will enjoy considerable 'protection', not to mention the Singapore Labour Laws, re Locals and Expats.
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Protection? Ha!
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>>I think you will find that many of the 'Old Farts', as you choose to call them, went to school with today's senior Generals and Cabinet Ministers and will enjoy considerable 'protection', not to mention the Singapore Labour Laws, re Locals and Expats.
Let just imagine for these old farts sake that their claim makes sense. Just perhaps one of them went to school with PM Goh, who was born in 1941. Even if PM Goh mixed with schoolmates 2 years his junior, such an old fart should be retiring from SIA this year. What 'protection' does he have?
SM Lee Kuan Yew was born 1923. Can anyone in SIA claim to be his contemporary?
Lee Hsien Loong was born 1952. If indeed any of his contemporaries are tech crew, BSK would be savvy enough not to hassle them.
Tony Tan (the minister, not the pilot) was born 1940, not likely that any of his contemporaries are still in SIA tech crew.
Same for S Jayakumar, born 1939.
Lee Yock Suan, Wong Kan Seng, born 1946. Yeo Cheow Tong, Lee Boon Yang, Lim Boon Heng, 1947. Mah Bow Tan, 1948.
George Yeo, Lim Hng Kiang, Teo Chee Hean, 1954. David Lim, Yaacob Ibrahim, 1955. Lim Swee Say, 1956.
If the SIA old farts think that the establishment will protect them, they are dreaming. Why does BSK barely conceal his contempt for them then?
>>I think you will find that many of the 'Old Farts', as you choose to call them, went to school with today's senior Generals and Cabinet Ministers and will enjoy considerable 'protection', not to mention the Singapore Labour Laws, re Locals and Expats.
Let just imagine for these old farts sake that their claim makes sense. Just perhaps one of them went to school with PM Goh, who was born in 1941. Even if PM Goh mixed with schoolmates 2 years his junior, such an old fart should be retiring from SIA this year. What 'protection' does he have?
SM Lee Kuan Yew was born 1923. Can anyone in SIA claim to be his contemporary?
Lee Hsien Loong was born 1952. If indeed any of his contemporaries are tech crew, BSK would be savvy enough not to hassle them.
Tony Tan (the minister, not the pilot) was born 1940, not likely that any of his contemporaries are still in SIA tech crew.
Same for S Jayakumar, born 1939.
Lee Yock Suan, Wong Kan Seng, born 1946. Yeo Cheow Tong, Lee Boon Yang, Lim Boon Heng, 1947. Mah Bow Tan, 1948.
George Yeo, Lim Hng Kiang, Teo Chee Hean, 1954. David Lim, Yaacob Ibrahim, 1955. Lim Swee Say, 1956.
If the SIA old farts think that the establishment will protect them, they are dreaming. Why does BSK barely conceal his contempt for them then?
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ThermalImage As one who retired from SIA, aged sixty, a couple of years ago, I quite naturally take exception to you regarding old and experienced pilots as 'old farts', the fact that we are all making our way to retirement should tell you something, unless you are from that breed of wunderkind that already know it all?
You said:
"Lee Hsien Loong was born 1952. If indeed any of his contemporaries are tech crew, BSK would be savvy enough not to hassle them".
My point exactly, and neither you nor I have any idea how many or who that could include.
Far more likely though they will be protected by the Singapore Labour Laws.
Oh yes, one other point, hope you have permission to publish that list of pilots names here on this bulletin board? Without such permission they could cut up rough!
You said:
"Lee Hsien Loong was born 1952. If indeed any of his contemporaries are tech crew, BSK would be savvy enough not to hassle them".
My point exactly, and neither you nor I have any idea how many or who that could include.
Far more likely though they will be protected by the Singapore Labour Laws.
Oh yes, one other point, hope you have permission to publish that list of pilots names here on this bulletin board? Without such permission they could cut up rough!
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Some confusion?
GKhan,
Aiyoh, I don't know you lah so how can I be referring to you?
Tsk tsk so sensitive...
My reference to old farts is not a blanket description. If you think it refers to you, well, what can I say? My previous posts will have a clearer definition of who I am talking about. It certainly does not refer to everyone nearing retirement.
>>Oh yes, one other point, hope you have permission to publish that list of pilots names here on this bulletin board? Without such permission they could cut up rough!
That list comes from
http://www.cabinet.gov.sg/
I think they'd be insulted if they knew you thought they worked for SIA as pilots. Looks like you don't know who your local colleagues were. Same goes for your knowledge of Singapore Labour Law.
Aiyoh, I don't know you lah so how can I be referring to you?
Tsk tsk so sensitive...
My reference to old farts is not a blanket description. If you think it refers to you, well, what can I say? My previous posts will have a clearer definition of who I am talking about. It certainly does not refer to everyone nearing retirement.
>>Oh yes, one other point, hope you have permission to publish that list of pilots names here on this bulletin board? Without such permission they could cut up rough!
That list comes from
http://www.cabinet.gov.sg/
I think they'd be insulted if they knew you thought they worked for SIA as pilots. Looks like you don't know who your local colleagues were. Same goes for your knowledge of Singapore Labour Law.
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Thermal Image I don't think BSK particularly dislikes older pilots or those with 'flatulence',he dislkes ALL pilots with equal venom which he finds as aviation worldwide takes a downward slide gives him more confidence to do whatever he wants now.
The financial results for year to 31st March will be announced soon,and my guess is they will be above $1 Billion after tax,which should produce a good bonus. The big question is will SIA find some clause in the small print of the CA to wriggle out of paying this bonus claiming exceptional circumstances?????
Certainly if we get the Bonus you can be sure it will be given in one hand and taken away with the other!!
The financial results for year to 31st March will be announced soon,and my guess is they will be above $1 Billion after tax,which should produce a good bonus. The big question is will SIA find some clause in the small print of the CA to wriggle out of paying this bonus claiming exceptional circumstances?????
Certainly if we get the Bonus you can be sure it will be given in one hand and taken away with the other!!
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Thermal Image Sorry!
Some of the names looked very familiar but after two years this old fart's memory isn't so good!
Still think you will find that the local labour Laws will say that Expats. should go before Nationals, possibly also say that last in first out is the usual form for applying redundancy. Lets hope it doesn't come to that and prospects look better soon.
Yep, we may well have flown together! I did ten years on the 744.
Some of the names looked very familiar but after two years this old fart's memory isn't so good!
Still think you will find that the local labour Laws will say that Expats. should go before Nationals, possibly also say that last in first out is the usual form for applying redundancy. Lets hope it doesn't come to that and prospects look better soon.
Yep, we may well have flown together! I did ten years on the 744.
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G.Khan,
You claimed that you worked at SQ for ten years on the 744 and yet you don't know who "Lee Kuan Yew" is! (Then I don't expect you to know about "Lee Yock Suan, or Lim Swee Say")
Any pilot in SQ, let alone one who claimes to have worked here for 10 years knows!
Are you just giving excuses? Like your failing memory or something else?
I really doubt you know anything about Singapore, Singapore Airlines let alone its labour laws!
You claimed that you worked at SQ for ten years on the 744 and yet you don't know who "Lee Kuan Yew" is! (Then I don't expect you to know about "Lee Yock Suan, or Lim Swee Say")
Any pilot in SQ, let alone one who claimes to have worked here for 10 years knows!
Are you just giving excuses? Like your failing memory or something else?
I really doubt you know anything about Singapore, Singapore Airlines let alone its labour laws!
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For a non Singaporean the names of the Cabinet are really quite irrelevant and I doubt many of the expats. who are in SIN now could get very far down the list! Very different for a Singaporean.
Yes I do know who Lee Kuan Yew is and a couple of the others, like his son and the Prime Minister, I confused Mah Bow Tan with another Mah and got it all wrong from there on!
When getting ready to leave Singapore I had to get some documents authenticated by a Notary Public and the solicitor who did it talked a bit about the labour laws, as I said earlier, I was not 100% certain but what I have said is what I understood from him.
See your Private Messages for authentication!
Cheers, GK.
Yes I do know who Lee Kuan Yew is and a couple of the others, like his son and the Prime Minister, I confused Mah Bow Tan with another Mah and got it all wrong from there on!
When getting ready to leave Singapore I had to get some documents authenticated by a Notary Public and the solicitor who did it talked a bit about the labour laws, as I said earlier, I was not 100% certain but what I have said is what I understood from him.
See your Private Messages for authentication!
Cheers, GK.
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G.Khan My My we are touchy today!! I note that you also took exception to Thermal Image's reference to 'old farts'. I suggest you lighten up old man and stop being so tetchy about everything.
On another thread I was fascinated to hear that your sister was a Headmistress of a girls boarding school,but could not see the relevance of my knowing that.
On another thread I was fascinated to hear that your sister was a Headmistress of a girls boarding school,but could not see the relevance of my knowing that.
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After several years of reading pprune, it never ceases to amaze me how people like "LEE" and "the gypsy" can make sweeping judgements on character and even employment details, based on a few lines in a post. Maybe they should look for a job in police profiling, because that kind of jumping to conclusion and misplaced sarcasm has no place on the flight deck.
As for the subject of "old farts" you have to ask yourself how did they get to be old farts, and the answer is by keeping a clean sheet over several years of safe flying. There is no substitute for experience whatever the "young guns" may think.
A couple of questions for "thermal image".
1. Are you seriously suggesting that the Singapore cabinet make decisions on redundancy and day to day discipline in SIA? I suggest that these decisions will be made much lower down the food chain.
2. With your intimate knowledge of the airline, why do you list your location as Beijing
As for the subject of "old farts" you have to ask yourself how did they get to be old farts, and the answer is by keeping a clean sheet over several years of safe flying. There is no substitute for experience whatever the "young guns" may think.
A couple of questions for "thermal image".
1. Are you seriously suggesting that the Singapore cabinet make decisions on redundancy and day to day discipline in SIA? I suggest that these decisions will be made much lower down the food chain.
2. With your intimate knowledge of the airline, why do you list your location as Beijing
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OZZY AIRBORNE or perhaps Ozzy Ozborne would be more appropriate???!!
First of all I was not aware we were on the flight deck! Too many magic mushrooms perhaps??
With regard to SIA. PM Goh personally intervened after 9/11 when SIA pleaded poverty and the CEO made a very public statement saying he was taking a 15% paycut,followed in quick succession by all his management acolytes,and all other staff who have no representation.
We the Pilots through Alpha-S wanted to see the small print before we agreed and also we wanted to see what the profits for the year were,and then we would have ageed to a backdated paycut if there was no profit. { If SIA make less than $1 Billion profit they claim poverty!!!!!}
Because everyone else took a paycut PM Goh intervened and basically told us to take a paycut or ELSE!!!
We all took this paycut and loss of a years service increment amd lo and behold SIA made $650 Million profit despite a $300 million write off on AirNZ/Ansett due to the CEO not being thorough enough in going through the books. He just assumed that Ansett must be a guaranteed goldmine because it had a duopoly in the internal OZ market .
We all took a unnecessary paycut in view of the profit made.
I don't think one can get much higher up the food chain of SIngapore Gov't than that do you??? Perhaps the SM??
First of all I was not aware we were on the flight deck! Too many magic mushrooms perhaps??
With regard to SIA. PM Goh personally intervened after 9/11 when SIA pleaded poverty and the CEO made a very public statement saying he was taking a 15% paycut,followed in quick succession by all his management acolytes,and all other staff who have no representation.
We the Pilots through Alpha-S wanted to see the small print before we agreed and also we wanted to see what the profits for the year were,and then we would have ageed to a backdated paycut if there was no profit. { If SIA make less than $1 Billion profit they claim poverty!!!!!}
Because everyone else took a paycut PM Goh intervened and basically told us to take a paycut or ELSE!!!
We all took this paycut and loss of a years service increment amd lo and behold SIA made $650 Million profit despite a $300 million write off on AirNZ/Ansett due to the CEO not being thorough enough in going through the books. He just assumed that Ansett must be a guaranteed goldmine because it had a duopoly in the internal OZ market .
We all took a unnecessary paycut in view of the profit made.
I don't think one can get much higher up the food chain of SIngapore Gov't than that do you??? Perhaps the SM??
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What talking you lah?
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>>A couple of questions for "thermal image".
>>1. Are you seriously suggesting that the Singapore cabinet >>make decisions on redundancy and day to day discipline in >>SIA? I suggest that these decisions will be made much lower >>down the food chain.
>>2. With your intimate knowledge of the airline, why do you list >>your location as Beijing
Q1: See posting from GKhan 5th May 2003 23:24 and posting from me 6th May 2003 02:50.
Then please show me where I am suggesting that "the Singapore cabinet make decisions on redundancy and day to day discipline in SIA" .
My post of 6th May 2003 02:50 was to show:
a. how likely / unlikely it was that local crew who were candidates for "early retirement" were also contemporaries of ministers and
b. even if so, how likely / unlikely they would be spared simply because they were contemporaries of said ministers.
May I summarise it in one sentence: said ministers are likely to be NOT INTERESTED even if their SQ contemporaries are laid off. Now do you get it? Maybe you are one of those insecure types who make bizzare interpretions of innocent remarks and turn them into personal attacks.
Remember how we have a sensitive colleague who sued his fellow club member for defamation when at a club dinner that person remarked and raised his glass to him saying: "enjoy your free food". This colleague felt that this toast / roast was a suggestion that he was too cheap to pay for his own food. Of course he lost the lawsuit. This action was reported in The Straits Times, and like I said, if it is in The Straits Times, it must be true.
Q2: Is it relevant why I list my location as Beijing? May I refer to your claim: "After several years of reading pprune,...".
Have you not seen what some of the members state as their "locations"? Is it meant to be taken seriously? Although GKhan and I may disagree, we don't take our disagreements to heart. If you are able to comprehend my posts, you will note that I don't even take myself seriously. Perhaps you have a different sense of humour. Therefore, why is it relevant at all why I state Beijing as my location, in connection with my "intimate knowledge of the airline"?
About your remark: "Maybe they should look for a job in police profiling, because that kind of jumping to conclusion and misplaced sarcasm has no place on the flight deck."
Are you yourself not already "jumping to conclusion" with your "misplaced sarcasm"? There is at least one ex-cop in SQ tech crew, I think he'd be most offended by your trivialisation of profiling.
And (knock-knock) have you noticed, this is a forum, not a flight deck?
Just because you think that LEE and thegypsy "jump to conclusion" and spew "misplaced sarcasm" here, what makes you so sure they must also be like that on the flight deck? Are you not making "sweeping judgements on character" yourself?
Do you even know any of us? Do you know how the Internet / Internet forum works? Must we be the self same individuals here and also in real life? If you are so serious, use your real name and staff number!
It does look like you have weak comprehension skills. Look for who I refer to as "old fart". If you can't find it in my post of 5th May 2003 07:27, then here it is: "those at the top of their payscales, being ordinary line captains, grumpy and troublesome".
By your saying: "As for the subject of "old farts" you have to ask yourself how did they get to be old farts, and the answer is by keeping a clean sheet over several years of safe flying", I think you must be referring to other senior, respectable, pleasant and meritorious colleagues. Obviously we aren't talking about the same old farts here. Again, if such worthy colleagues got to hear about how YOU refer to them, they'd be rather unimpressed.
"There is no substitute for experience whatever the "young guns" may think."
Ooo, where did that come from? I did not make any comments about their experience. How is your remark relevant? Your remark suggests that "young guns" have no respect. Are you a little (or a lot) insecure with how "young guns" see you?
>>A couple of questions for "thermal image".
>>1. Are you seriously suggesting that the Singapore cabinet >>make decisions on redundancy and day to day discipline in >>SIA? I suggest that these decisions will be made much lower >>down the food chain.
>>2. With your intimate knowledge of the airline, why do you list >>your location as Beijing
Q1: See posting from GKhan 5th May 2003 23:24 and posting from me 6th May 2003 02:50.
Then please show me where I am suggesting that "the Singapore cabinet make decisions on redundancy and day to day discipline in SIA" .
My post of 6th May 2003 02:50 was to show:
a. how likely / unlikely it was that local crew who were candidates for "early retirement" were also contemporaries of ministers and
b. even if so, how likely / unlikely they would be spared simply because they were contemporaries of said ministers.
May I summarise it in one sentence: said ministers are likely to be NOT INTERESTED even if their SQ contemporaries are laid off. Now do you get it? Maybe you are one of those insecure types who make bizzare interpretions of innocent remarks and turn them into personal attacks.
Remember how we have a sensitive colleague who sued his fellow club member for defamation when at a club dinner that person remarked and raised his glass to him saying: "enjoy your free food". This colleague felt that this toast / roast was a suggestion that he was too cheap to pay for his own food. Of course he lost the lawsuit. This action was reported in The Straits Times, and like I said, if it is in The Straits Times, it must be true.
Q2: Is it relevant why I list my location as Beijing? May I refer to your claim: "After several years of reading pprune,...".
Have you not seen what some of the members state as their "locations"? Is it meant to be taken seriously? Although GKhan and I may disagree, we don't take our disagreements to heart. If you are able to comprehend my posts, you will note that I don't even take myself seriously. Perhaps you have a different sense of humour. Therefore, why is it relevant at all why I state Beijing as my location, in connection with my "intimate knowledge of the airline"?
About your remark: "Maybe they should look for a job in police profiling, because that kind of jumping to conclusion and misplaced sarcasm has no place on the flight deck."
Are you yourself not already "jumping to conclusion" with your "misplaced sarcasm"? There is at least one ex-cop in SQ tech crew, I think he'd be most offended by your trivialisation of profiling.
And (knock-knock) have you noticed, this is a forum, not a flight deck?
Just because you think that LEE and thegypsy "jump to conclusion" and spew "misplaced sarcasm" here, what makes you so sure they must also be like that on the flight deck? Are you not making "sweeping judgements on character" yourself?
Do you even know any of us? Do you know how the Internet / Internet forum works? Must we be the self same individuals here and also in real life? If you are so serious, use your real name and staff number!
It does look like you have weak comprehension skills. Look for who I refer to as "old fart". If you can't find it in my post of 5th May 2003 07:27, then here it is: "those at the top of their payscales, being ordinary line captains, grumpy and troublesome".
By your saying: "As for the subject of "old farts" you have to ask yourself how did they get to be old farts, and the answer is by keeping a clean sheet over several years of safe flying", I think you must be referring to other senior, respectable, pleasant and meritorious colleagues. Obviously we aren't talking about the same old farts here. Again, if such worthy colleagues got to hear about how YOU refer to them, they'd be rather unimpressed.
"There is no substitute for experience whatever the "young guns" may think."
Ooo, where did that come from? I did not make any comments about their experience. How is your remark relevant? Your remark suggests that "young guns" have no respect. Are you a little (or a lot) insecure with how "young guns" see you?
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Ozzy Airborne,
Re: Your remarks, "jumping to conclusion" and "misplaced sarcasm has no place on the flight deck"
Aren't you not jumping to conclusion yourself with your misplaced sarcasm?
May I remind you, if you point your finger at someone, you are pointing three fingers at yourself.
BTW, am I on the flight deck? Or is this Pprune?
You ok or not?
Re: Your remarks, "jumping to conclusion" and "misplaced sarcasm has no place on the flight deck"
Aren't you not jumping to conclusion yourself with your misplaced sarcasm?
May I remind you, if you point your finger at someone, you are pointing three fingers at yourself.
BTW, am I on the flight deck? Or is this Pprune?
You ok or not?
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Lee.
Grow up...........can or not??
The Gypsy
1. Learn to spell!!.........Osbourne.
2. Do you switch off your obnoxious personality when you get back on the flight deck, or are you just like this on pprune?
3.I said day to day running of the airline.......do you think the P.M. really decides redundancy and discipline matters?
4. Thanks for the history lesson......boring repetition helps me get to sleep.
Grow up...........can or not??
The Gypsy
1. Learn to spell!!.........Osbourne.
2. Do you switch off your obnoxious personality when you get back on the flight deck, or are you just like this on pprune?
3.I said day to day running of the airline.......do you think the P.M. really decides redundancy and discipline matters?
4. Thanks for the history lesson......boring repetition helps me get to sleep.