Vietnam Airlines bangs up another one...
Now that the fighting has died down 
, could we get back to the topic?
The OP, PappyJ, stated that there had been a tail-strike and subsequently has been absent from the thread.
Dream Land posted
Why so coy, Dream Land? What, when and where?
, could we get back to the topic?The OP, PappyJ, stated that there had been a tail-strike and subsequently has been absent from the thread.
Dream Land posted
Not a rumour. 
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Vietnam Airlines - get your act together
OPEN LETTER TO VIETNAM AIRLINES
DEAR (FORMER)COLLEAGUES,
I am not happy with the job of being a rat, but someone has to speak up before more people gets hurt.
Where are the regulators?
I know in Vietnam they just don’t exist, but what about Paris, Frankfurt, London? Don’t people care about safety as long as there is money to be made?
I have lived a happy life, but it’s too much to see in 2013:
-Crews that continue to pretend everything its OK after an unstable approach to landing! How many more Asiana’s do we need?
-Drunk and and drugged pilots!!! Are you waiting for another guy to pass out and collapse in a hotel lobby while willing to go for his flight?
-Crews completely unaware of the Safety concept and an aircraft SAFETY CHECK!
-Contraband on all flights, even dangerous goods carried by the crews themselves!
-Pilots that just can’t speak nor understand English! Where are the ICAO standards for ELP?
-Crews flying in excess of 150hrs a month, because company counts only stick time. And positioning might be another +50hrs!
-A cockpit where lazy guys chain-smoke till the air is so thick the cabin crew refuses to enter!
-A dispatch office where they need to remind you: DO NOT TAKE LESS THAN FLIGHT PLAN FUEL. Very professional!
-Aircraft with months of recurrent faults. Yes, just a reset after every flight won’t fix the problem! Not to mention the aircraft's cabins "repaired" and duct-taped all around.
I commit from now, to make public all disasters I have learnt about during my years in this aviation jungle. It’s not a happy job, but it has to be done to see some changes in aviation quality and safety
A happy pilot
DEAR (FORMER)COLLEAGUES,
I am not happy with the job of being a rat, but someone has to speak up before more people gets hurt.
Where are the regulators?
I know in Vietnam they just don’t exist, but what about Paris, Frankfurt, London? Don’t people care about safety as long as there is money to be made?
I have lived a happy life, but it’s too much to see in 2013:
-Crews that continue to pretend everything its OK after an unstable approach to landing! How many more Asiana’s do we need?
-Drunk and and drugged pilots!!! Are you waiting for another guy to pass out and collapse in a hotel lobby while willing to go for his flight?
-Crews completely unaware of the Safety concept and an aircraft SAFETY CHECK!
-Contraband on all flights, even dangerous goods carried by the crews themselves!
-Pilots that just can’t speak nor understand English! Where are the ICAO standards for ELP?
-Crews flying in excess of 150hrs a month, because company counts only stick time. And positioning might be another +50hrs!
-A cockpit where lazy guys chain-smoke till the air is so thick the cabin crew refuses to enter!
-A dispatch office where they need to remind you: DO NOT TAKE LESS THAN FLIGHT PLAN FUEL. Very professional!
-Aircraft with months of recurrent faults. Yes, just a reset after every flight won’t fix the problem! Not to mention the aircraft's cabins "repaired" and duct-taped all around.
I commit from now, to make public all disasters I have learnt about during my years in this aviation jungle. It’s not a happy job, but it has to be done to see some changes in aviation quality and safety
A happy pilot
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PPRune has no more news from VN until Global Drvr came up. Thanks +++ Global Drvr.
Of course there are ways to make the best of what VNA has to offer, but why is it that those who are still there do not speak up ? Censured ? Fear with job security ? Why cover up so many despicable facts ?
Of course there are ways to make the best of what VNA has to offer, but why is it that those who are still there do not speak up ? Censured ? Fear with job security ? Why cover up so many despicable facts ?
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This guy -200ER..... I know him. It just dawned on me.
The same guy who flew Metro's in Oz and was denied a Command for over 2 years after others on the seniority list due his incessant poor standards, whining and foot in mouth disease. The same guy who declared bankruptcy after buying a covertable SAAB but couldn't pay it off. The same guy who did a self-funded 73NG endorsement to try to get a DJ job but shot himself in the foot due continued b!tching and complaining so again, lost all his money and never offered a job so had to retrun to Macair with his tail between his legs as the longest serving FO ever. The same guy who finally got a Command and turned up habitually late for work when base out of BNE. (No one wanted him around the head office in Townsviille). The same guy who, on his final day of work, deliberately bald-spotted the tyres of the Metro to p!ss off the airline. The same guy who went to RBA and yet again forked out some $60k of someone else's money for the 767 gig but upon arriving hated the airline, the company, the country, the people, the roster, the training department, the expats, the locals...... And yet again passed over for a Command and stuck as FO. From mates who were his Capt he was agony on the flighdeck. Then went to VNA - and guess what? He complained. Now he's at Scoot but masquerading to everyone he's at SIA.
LC - DO NOT go parading about standards. Your history speaks for itself. And now you're at Scoot flying the same beat up 777's that RBA once had. Irony? You've earned your own rep through tireless effort that has been maintained over some 15-20 years.
"World class airline". Scoot? You're deluded. What's more we all know what the package is like at Scoot..... You'd be better off bald-spotting Metro tyres back in Oz.
Maybe VNA was not for you? Then again, no airline or company EVER has been. But's it's always their fault.....
The same guy who flew Metro's in Oz and was denied a Command for over 2 years after others on the seniority list due his incessant poor standards, whining and foot in mouth disease. The same guy who declared bankruptcy after buying a covertable SAAB but couldn't pay it off. The same guy who did a self-funded 73NG endorsement to try to get a DJ job but shot himself in the foot due continued b!tching and complaining so again, lost all his money and never offered a job so had to retrun to Macair with his tail between his legs as the longest serving FO ever. The same guy who finally got a Command and turned up habitually late for work when base out of BNE. (No one wanted him around the head office in Townsviille). The same guy who, on his final day of work, deliberately bald-spotted the tyres of the Metro to p!ss off the airline. The same guy who went to RBA and yet again forked out some $60k of someone else's money for the 767 gig but upon arriving hated the airline, the company, the country, the people, the roster, the training department, the expats, the locals...... And yet again passed over for a Command and stuck as FO. From mates who were his Capt he was agony on the flighdeck. Then went to VNA - and guess what? He complained. Now he's at Scoot but masquerading to everyone he's at SIA.
LC - DO NOT go parading about standards. Your history speaks for itself. And now you're at Scoot flying the same beat up 777's that RBA once had. Irony? You've earned your own rep through tireless effort that has been maintained over some 15-20 years.
"World class airline". Scoot? You're deluded. What's more we all know what the package is like at Scoot..... You'd be better off bald-spotting Metro tyres back in Oz.
Maybe VNA was not for you? Then again, no airline or company EVER has been. But's it's always their fault.....
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I gather that this is about the only way to blow off steam when ones out of his comfort zone in a not so perfect world.
1. The west is making zillions selling airplanes to all these places, (Korea,
Vietnam, amongst a few,) and will never stop for a few dead people here
and there.
2. These guys, then give jobs to chappies who can't cut it back home for
whatever reason, and sometimes even a rating or an upgrade they would
never smell.
Instead of bitching and getting into a frenzy, accept the status quo, and
just get on with your job. Hull losses and accidents are the way of life in
this profession. Its dangerous trying to change the whole world based on
ones own magnificence.
1. The west is making zillions selling airplanes to all these places, (Korea,
Vietnam, amongst a few,) and will never stop for a few dead people here
and there.
2. These guys, then give jobs to chappies who can't cut it back home for
whatever reason, and sometimes even a rating or an upgrade they would
never smell.
Instead of bitching and getting into a frenzy, accept the status quo, and
just get on with your job. Hull losses and accidents are the way of life in
this profession. Its dangerous trying to change the whole world based on
ones own magnificence.
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Screw ups!
What a moron!
Just wondering WTF flaps are doing out at 21,000 on a A321?
But the list goes on. Wanna fly VNA?
EXCEEDED OF FLAP ALTITUDE LIMIT
A321, VN1201 HAN-VCA 25/06 Flap1 at 20708 ft
HIGH RATE OF DESCENT ON APPROACH
VN1412 SGN-BMV, 11/05/2013, Max value = 1572fpm @ 470AGL
HIGH RATE OF DESCENT ON APPROACH
VN1382 SGN-DLI, 21/04/2013, Max value = 1899fpm @ 610AGL
TAKE OFF with GEAR PINS INSTALLED - TWICE
A321, NRT-SGN, June 2013
B777, SGN-ICN, July 2013
OVERWEIGHT TAKE OFF - by 37 TONS
B777, SGN-CDG, 14/12/12
Monkeys forget to apply MEL 73-21-02-01
SPEED HIGH DURING APPROACH
B777, VN1127, HAN-SGN, 06/01/2013, 172kts @ 1000AGL
AIRCRAFT STOPPED ON THE RUNWAY
B777, SGN-CDG, VN140, DEC2012
Crew decided to stop short of Z6 on 09L to see other guys practice Go Arounds -and take pictures-
UNINTENTIONAL PARKING BRAKE SET DURING PUSH BACK
A330, MAY2012, Aircraft grounded 8 weeks for repairs. Yes, the tow bar slammed into the nose gear. Drink too much???
TAIL STRIKE ON TAKE OFF
B777, VN1120, SGN-HAN, May 2012, rotation rate: 8.6°/sec
The aircraft continued 3 flights before an inspection was made and the aircraft grounded
LESS THAN MINUMUM FUEL
ATR72, SGN-CAH, 18/03/13
Flight plan fuel: 2.1t
Fuel requested/Uploaded: 1.5t
LESS THAN MINUMUM FUEL
B777, LGW-HAN, 05/03/13
Flight plan fuel: 88.1t
Fuel requested/Uploaded: 82.0t
Just wondering WTF flaps are doing out at 21,000 on a A321?
But the list goes on. Wanna fly VNA?
EXCEEDED OF FLAP ALTITUDE LIMIT
A321, VN1201 HAN-VCA 25/06 Flap1 at 20708 ft
HIGH RATE OF DESCENT ON APPROACH
VN1412 SGN-BMV, 11/05/2013, Max value = 1572fpm @ 470AGL
HIGH RATE OF DESCENT ON APPROACH
VN1382 SGN-DLI, 21/04/2013, Max value = 1899fpm @ 610AGL
TAKE OFF with GEAR PINS INSTALLED - TWICE
A321, NRT-SGN, June 2013
B777, SGN-ICN, July 2013
OVERWEIGHT TAKE OFF - by 37 TONS
B777, SGN-CDG, 14/12/12
Monkeys forget to apply MEL 73-21-02-01
SPEED HIGH DURING APPROACH
B777, VN1127, HAN-SGN, 06/01/2013, 172kts @ 1000AGL
AIRCRAFT STOPPED ON THE RUNWAY
B777, SGN-CDG, VN140, DEC2012
Crew decided to stop short of Z6 on 09L to see other guys practice Go Arounds -and take pictures-
UNINTENTIONAL PARKING BRAKE SET DURING PUSH BACK
A330, MAY2012, Aircraft grounded 8 weeks for repairs. Yes, the tow bar slammed into the nose gear. Drink too much???
TAIL STRIKE ON TAKE OFF
B777, VN1120, SGN-HAN, May 2012, rotation rate: 8.6°/sec
The aircraft continued 3 flights before an inspection was made and the aircraft grounded
LESS THAN MINUMUM FUEL
ATR72, SGN-CAH, 18/03/13
Flight plan fuel: 2.1t
Fuel requested/Uploaded: 1.5t
LESS THAN MINUMUM FUEL
B777, LGW-HAN, 05/03/13
Flight plan fuel: 88.1t
Fuel requested/Uploaded: 82.0t
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VNA 1 with PM Vu Van Ninh diverted from Dulles
Anyone recalls the Vietnam Airlines B777 incident when the Prime Minister missed his reception in Washington on Feb 7th, 2012?
Well, the crew was unable to comply with ATC after a "cleared for Visual Approach" was issued, they ended up getting thrown out of the cue and vectored somewhere esle
If you cant fly, just get a desk job and stop tryng to kill pelople 
Well, the crew was unable to comply with ATC after a "cleared for Visual Approach" was issued, they ended up getting thrown out of the cue and vectored somewhere esle
I guess its getting to be an Asian Syndrome:
The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has banned foreign pilots from making visual approaches to KSFO airport runways 28 left and right.
The move follows the crash of the ASIANA B773 that killed three people on 6 July, a low approach by an Eva Air B773 on 23 July that prompted a go-around command by the airport tower, and several missed approaches by pilots of foreign airlines since 1 June.
The move follows the crash of the ASIANA B773 that killed three people on 6 July, a low approach by an Eva Air B773 on 23 July that prompted a go-around command by the airport tower, and several missed approaches by pilots of foreign airlines since 1 June.
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I thought the Viets hide a lot stuff; so how did bluesideup68 get the juicy details...errrr, I smell a rodent...oops, Snowden?
VA1 missed the cue or was she put well behind in the queue? I am sure they didn't know where the Potomac was, maybe they were looking out for the Pentagon or taking pictures of the Wahington monument! These Viets, they just didn't know their way!
VA1 missed the cue or was she put well behind in the queue? I am sure they didn't know where the Potomac was, maybe they were looking out for the Pentagon or taking pictures of the Wahington monument! These Viets, they just didn't know their way!
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Guys, anyoner here works as F/O or Captain at Vietnam Airlines? Somebody can tell how is an average roster, hours of flight, days out of Hanoi, and if "per diem" is already included in the sallary.
Thank you!
Thank you!
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It's quite ironinc that the American FAA should met this out to "Asian" pilots. If they look within their own territory they will have enough work to keep them busy for a long time. The UPS A 300 - 600 crash , almost certainly pilot error on a NPA approach. There are many more such cases of American planes and pilots doing the dumbest of things. The American Airlines A 300 - 600 crash in NY , I can't believe that the FO was applying the rudder so aggressively. And that is the basic of flying a heavy aircraft. Don't forget the B 747 crash in Afghanistan , man the list is endless....And yet the Americans feel that they should be dictating terms to foreign airlines and aviators. Most international pilots will know that the average American pilot is so stupid that he can't even get a radio call correct in foreign airspace...and they say there is no bias
heavy gaffe lol
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Most international pilots will know that the average American pilot is so stupid that he can't even get a radio call correct in foreign airspace...and they say there is no bia by Sky Duncer
Ozzies would never make an idiotic remark like that!
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Dream,
"Sky Dancer" is not a Brit. He's from India, and comes on Pprune periodically to complain that the rotten folks in the US, Singapore and Australia aren't rushing to allow him to work in their countries.
Hey "Sky," understanding is the first step to acceptance. So understand that you will never, ever work at Delta, SIA or Qantas. Got it?
Hope this helps.
"Sky Dancer"
is not a Brit. He's from India, and comes on Pprune periodically to complain that the rotten folks in the US, Singapore and Australia aren't rushing to allow him to work in their countries.Hey "Sky," understanding is the first step to acceptance. So understand that you will never, ever work at Delta, SIA or Qantas. Got it?
Hope this helps.
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