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[email protected] and [email protected] went through successfully, but [email protected] and [email protected] bounced back
[email protected] and [email protected] went through successfully, but [email protected] and [email protected] bounced back
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Great... Thanks...
Others also please take a note of the email addresses so that all of our complaints land at the same place and thus bring it to their notice more effectively...
Others also please take a note of the email addresses so that all of our complaints land at the same place and thus bring it to their notice more effectively...
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@smurf84 and everyone else
agreed, in order for it to work it has to be a collective effort, we can't just rely on the number of us from this forum only, so please share this with all the other pilot friends you know, whether on fb or anywhere else, keep passing the word on, the target should be atleast 50+
agreed, in order for it to work it has to be a collective effort, we can't just rely on the number of us from this forum only, so please share this with all the other pilot friends you know, whether on fb or anywhere else, keep passing the word on, the target should be atleast 50+
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in the meanwhile, spice is on the news on times now for other reasons, disgruntled passengers on a flight from jaipur to pune landed in ahmedabad, venting their frustration, let's hope we're next
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The more the number of complaints, it would serve the purpose. Keep those emails pouring in. Together, we can find a way of bringing this to an end, and many of you can fight for your money. It should be a lesson for other airlines, that the unemployed pilots community isn't downtrodden anymore.
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i don't mind switching to another thread, but it could risk the protest losing its momentum considering not everyone on this thread might keep a track of the new one. the momentum and initiative we have gained thus far is solely due to this thread, but like i said i don't mind either way
has anyone on here who has e-mailed times now received any reply from them yet? can someone do us a favor and call +91 22 24999944, the times now contact in mumbai, to confirm that our mails are being received?
i don't mind switching to another thread, but it could risk the protest losing its momentum considering not everyone on this thread might keep a track of the new one. the momentum and initiative we have gained thus far is solely due to this thread, but like i said i don't mind either way
has anyone on here who has e-mailed times now received any reply from them yet? can someone do us a favor and call +91 22 24999944, the times now contact in mumbai, to confirm that our mails are being received?
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Aroumika I just called them up and got this no. 9899024388 - Bhavtosh., he is the reporter in delhi we need to get in touch with..so if you want you can go ahead and call him immediately..
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i have just called "bhavtosh" of times now who is currently busy on another assignment, however he said he would look into all our articles/mails by friday, so everyone on here needs to write to [email protected] and [email protected] by friday, thanks
to those are still skeptical/scared of writing to times now you can always choose to remain anonymous, but please please wake up! this is your chance, it's now or never, and i've done everything i can to lay down the foundation of this protest, the rest is in your hands
i have just called "bhavtosh" of times now who is currently busy on another assignment, however he said he would look into all our articles/mails by friday, so everyone on here needs to write to [email protected] and [email protected] by friday, thanks
to those are still skeptical/scared of writing to times now you can always choose to remain anonymous, but please please wake up! this is your chance, it's now or never, and i've done everything i can to lay down the foundation of this protest, the rest is in your hands
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To aroumika and rest !
Nice try out to bring transparency in recruitment of pilots of every cadre in Airlines.But what amazes me in particular is that some folks crying foul about whole Spicejet Exam conducted recently when many if not most knew about last previous Spicejet exams which ended in same manner if not worse for most of candidates.Even 737 TR exams of Spice has similar pattern of " Pick & Chose "...
So let me put a question to all who gave written exam and apparently failed it along with the crusaders trying to pick up a fight against nepotism.
1. Did any one tried to read previous Spicejet thread on this very section of forum ?
As it should have given some bold answers to those who were thinking to spend fee's on a shambolic exam.Since Spice always had irregular pattern of recruiting pilots since 2006...just ask the cadets and specifically a forum member who is active on various spicejet threads.
2. How many of candidates who got called for exam had a call in first place by normal candidate selection procedure?
My assumptions is like all others who never got a single call from Spice all this years.....only handful of pilots gets called for exam who had absolutely no " push - pull " in HR of Spice.
3. Many pilot chose to sit for exam again this time considering they didn't cleared it last time so main question arises now - How did they even got called again for this exam and still managed to flunk it.
Down goes the money and " Juggad " for those folks...but then again phoenix will rise again from ashes as will this Juggad pilots for next Spice exams yet they will cry foul for all the process.
Now last request to all those who are trying to fight bolt with barbwire.
Do not make your effort inline with those done by frustrated lot of UPA who started a moral policing against those who got jobs in bad time of recession.
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Nice try out to bring transparency in recruitment of pilots of every cadre in Airlines.But what amazes me in particular is that some folks crying foul about whole Spicejet Exam conducted recently when many if not most knew about last previous Spicejet exams which ended in same manner if not worse for most of candidates.Even 737 TR exams of Spice has similar pattern of " Pick & Chose "...
So let me put a question to all who gave written exam and apparently failed it along with the crusaders trying to pick up a fight against nepotism.
1. Did any one tried to read previous Spicejet thread on this very section of forum ?
As it should have given some bold answers to those who were thinking to spend fee's on a shambolic exam.Since Spice always had irregular pattern of recruiting pilots since 2006...just ask the cadets and specifically a forum member who is active on various spicejet threads.
2. How many of candidates who got called for exam had a call in first place by normal candidate selection procedure?
My assumptions is like all others who never got a single call from Spice all this years.....only handful of pilots gets called for exam who had absolutely no " push - pull " in HR of Spice.
3. Many pilot chose to sit for exam again this time considering they didn't cleared it last time so main question arises now - How did they even got called again for this exam and still managed to flunk it.
Down goes the money and " Juggad " for those folks...but then again phoenix will rise again from ashes as will this Juggad pilots for next Spice exams yet they will cry foul for all the process.
Here are some of the things we need to address when we write to Mr. Arnab Goswami of Times Now:
1) On what grounds is the spice exam 25k and the indigo exam 18k? Why can't airline exams be free of cost?
Spice charges fee's depending upon " demand & supply " situation. Indigo never charges anything officially but CAE charges for later stages of assessment.
2) With reference to point no. 1, on what grounds did spice increase their fee from 20k to 25k in the recent months? Doesn't this indicate clear money making tactics?
May be Dollor appreciation/depreciation for Spice and demand of pilots trying to find a seat in Spice's 737.
3) With reference to point no. 1 and 2, after having paid so much for an exam, don't we have the right for more transparency and atleast know how much we have scored? (rather than just a pass/fail letter?)
Transparency will come only when selected candidates goes through transparent way of getting called for exams.Secondly Spice never asked anyone to sit for exams forcefully.Its understood that they are getting huge applications for pilot jobs that's why the courage of HR mobs are sky rocketing every passing month........Those who have patience will always stay away from this money leaching airline.
4) On what grounds do spice and indigo call only a limited amount of candidates per attempt? There are close to 5000 unemployed cpl holders in india, why can't everyone be given a fair chance and why can't everyone who applies get a call letter?
For Spice, every thing starts from the table of HR guys.
For Indigo , CAE has a laid down procedure where they select prospective pilots on various different things rather mere CPL.If someone meets those requirements then they will get a call as and when their cooling period is over or for very first time assessment.
5) Why can't spice and indigo have exams in multiple centres across the country rather than just Delhi and Gurgaon? India is a big enough country as it is!
They both are not going for mass selection which AI or Jet does.So less candidates and less amount to be paid for exam hall.It's company policies which you are trying to change.
6) Why do candidates have to pay for their own type rating if they get selected? Airlines in India are the only ones in the world who makes their candidates sponsor their own type rating. We have already spent 20-25 lacs for our cpl training, and having to spend another 15-20 lacs on our type rating is bringing alot of us under huge financial difficulties. In all righteousness, shouldn't an airline sponsor the type rating for the candidates it has selected?
For once its only India where a basic 200-300 hrs pilot is given a job for flying PAX on jets that they can't even have proper control im SIM's let alone flying it manually or automated.
Basic minimums for flying Jet planes or having Airline pilot job is 1500 with ATP's in almost all developed aviation market.
To be honest this practice of charging TR fee's or Line training cost is age old thing here in India where some airline deducting from salary or taking post dated checks while rest will take money upfront.....
Its hard to digest but hey 250 hrs pilot will not even get a looking elsewhere in world for a Airline pilot job.
1) On what grounds is the spice exam 25k and the indigo exam 18k? Why can't airline exams be free of cost?
Spice charges fee's depending upon " demand & supply " situation. Indigo never charges anything officially but CAE charges for later stages of assessment.
2) With reference to point no. 1, on what grounds did spice increase their fee from 20k to 25k in the recent months? Doesn't this indicate clear money making tactics?
May be Dollor appreciation/depreciation for Spice and demand of pilots trying to find a seat in Spice's 737.
3) With reference to point no. 1 and 2, after having paid so much for an exam, don't we have the right for more transparency and atleast know how much we have scored? (rather than just a pass/fail letter?)
Transparency will come only when selected candidates goes through transparent way of getting called for exams.Secondly Spice never asked anyone to sit for exams forcefully.Its understood that they are getting huge applications for pilot jobs that's why the courage of HR mobs are sky rocketing every passing month........Those who have patience will always stay away from this money leaching airline.
4) On what grounds do spice and indigo call only a limited amount of candidates per attempt? There are close to 5000 unemployed cpl holders in india, why can't everyone be given a fair chance and why can't everyone who applies get a call letter?
For Spice, every thing starts from the table of HR guys.
For Indigo , CAE has a laid down procedure where they select prospective pilots on various different things rather mere CPL.If someone meets those requirements then they will get a call as and when their cooling period is over or for very first time assessment.
5) Why can't spice and indigo have exams in multiple centres across the country rather than just Delhi and Gurgaon? India is a big enough country as it is!
They both are not going for mass selection which AI or Jet does.So less candidates and less amount to be paid for exam hall.It's company policies which you are trying to change.
6) Why do candidates have to pay for their own type rating if they get selected? Airlines in India are the only ones in the world who makes their candidates sponsor their own type rating. We have already spent 20-25 lacs for our cpl training, and having to spend another 15-20 lacs on our type rating is bringing alot of us under huge financial difficulties. In all righteousness, shouldn't an airline sponsor the type rating for the candidates it has selected?
For once its only India where a basic 200-300 hrs pilot is given a job for flying PAX on jets that they can't even have proper control im SIM's let alone flying it manually or automated.
Basic minimums for flying Jet planes or having Airline pilot job is 1500 with ATP's in almost all developed aviation market.
To be honest this practice of charging TR fee's or Line training cost is age old thing here in India where some airline deducting from salary or taking post dated checks while rest will take money upfront.....
Its hard to digest but hey 250 hrs pilot will not even get a looking elsewhere in world for a Airline pilot job.
Now last request to all those who are trying to fight bolt with barbwire.
Do not make your effort inline with those done by frustrated lot of UPA who started a moral policing against those who got jobs in bad time of recession.
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Well said Johny Boy
All the budding activists must have sent in their resumes to SJ even though they know their selection policies. Aroumika and co should get used to biased selection procedures, they wouldn't be cribbing about it if it was working for them. Spice does not do mass hiring and does not believe in equal opportunity, accept it. Why? because they don't want to and its their wish. They are a private company and can hire whoever they want to without explaining it to others.
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i feel like banging my head to a wall quite literally after reading everything you've had to say, it's because of people with a mindset like yours that the airlines will continue to exploit us in the most outright manner, c'mon man i'm trying to fight for a just and valid cause here, how about a little bit of help and appreciation? i don't mean to attack you personally, but your views are just beyond me!
1) you yourself have admitted the exam is a sham and they call people at random, so what's wrong with trying to fight against this system rather than just letting it be the way it is?
2) even though the previous spice threads indicate their irregular pattern, cpl holders don't have a choice but to still attempt the exam with the hope of passing, given the lack of jobs and tough competition due to the recession, how long do you expect us to sit around waiting without a job and without trying?
3) spicejet charges a fee on a "demand and supply situation", seriously!? there shouldn't be an exam fee to start with! let alone their exam is not even worth 25k!
4) your defense of the increase from 20k to 25k is nothing short of appalling! we don't use dollars in india, our currency happens to be the indian rupee just so you know
5) they select prospective pilots based on "various different things", what various different things are you talking about, please enlighten me!
6) they call less amount of people so that they can "pay less for the exam hall"? seriously!? they're collecting almost 1 crore total in fees my dear friend! and here you are talking about fees for an exam hall, i am laughing now, i really am!
7) granted that pilots in india are hired with as little as 200+ hours as compared to pilots abroad which get hired with 1500+ hours, but keeping in mind that the aviation infrastructure in india is so poor with very few flight schools, none of us can join as flight instructors to build up our flight time, so that's something we can't be blamed for. i did my CPL training in the US where there's hundreds of flight schools across the country where one can build their flight hours to 1500 or so. you must be wondering why Indian CPL holders can't stay in these countries after their CPL training to become flight instructors, well the answer is every country is hiring their own citizens to become flight instructors, hence leaving us with no option but to return to india with 200+ hours.
based on the "nature" of the points you have put across, i have come to the following 3 conclusions:
1) you must be already employed with some airline which shows your lack of care. i'm guessing you're a pilot working for spice because you seem so offended by everything on here
2) you must be working for the spice management and you're just trying to defend them
regardless of who you are, the protest is gaining alot of momentum and alot of pilots are joining hands together to fight against this corrupt system, so nothing you say can stop this protest or effect it in any way, enough said!
i feel like banging my head to a wall quite literally after reading everything you've had to say, it's because of people with a mindset like yours that the airlines will continue to exploit us in the most outright manner, c'mon man i'm trying to fight for a just and valid cause here, how about a little bit of help and appreciation? i don't mean to attack you personally, but your views are just beyond me!
1) you yourself have admitted the exam is a sham and they call people at random, so what's wrong with trying to fight against this system rather than just letting it be the way it is?
2) even though the previous spice threads indicate their irregular pattern, cpl holders don't have a choice but to still attempt the exam with the hope of passing, given the lack of jobs and tough competition due to the recession, how long do you expect us to sit around waiting without a job and without trying?
3) spicejet charges a fee on a "demand and supply situation", seriously!? there shouldn't be an exam fee to start with! let alone their exam is not even worth 25k!
4) your defense of the increase from 20k to 25k is nothing short of appalling! we don't use dollars in india, our currency happens to be the indian rupee just so you know
5) they select prospective pilots based on "various different things", what various different things are you talking about, please enlighten me!
6) they call less amount of people so that they can "pay less for the exam hall"? seriously!? they're collecting almost 1 crore total in fees my dear friend! and here you are talking about fees for an exam hall, i am laughing now, i really am!
7) granted that pilots in india are hired with as little as 200+ hours as compared to pilots abroad which get hired with 1500+ hours, but keeping in mind that the aviation infrastructure in india is so poor with very few flight schools, none of us can join as flight instructors to build up our flight time, so that's something we can't be blamed for. i did my CPL training in the US where there's hundreds of flight schools across the country where one can build their flight hours to 1500 or so. you must be wondering why Indian CPL holders can't stay in these countries after their CPL training to become flight instructors, well the answer is every country is hiring their own citizens to become flight instructors, hence leaving us with no option but to return to india with 200+ hours.
based on the "nature" of the points you have put across, i have come to the following 3 conclusions:
1) you must be already employed with some airline which shows your lack of care. i'm guessing you're a pilot working for spice because you seem so offended by everything on here
2) you must be working for the spice management and you're just trying to defend them
regardless of who you are, the protest is gaining alot of momentum and alot of pilots are joining hands together to fight against this corrupt system, so nothing you say can stop this protest or effect it in any way, enough said!
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Aroumika i had called bhavtosh too before you did..asked me to call him on friday, apparenly an LeT module was busted today..I think more pilots should call him up and put pressure.
Regarding Johhny Boy..just dont pay attention to him..he is troll
..all he does is discourage others..I have always seen it with his posts..hes one depressed bitter soul who cant see anyone succeed.
Regarding Johhny Boy..just dont pay attention to him..he is troll
..all he does is discourage others..I have always seen it with his posts..hes one depressed bitter soul who cant see anyone succeed.
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Good Luck with Arnab
Intresting piece of information ? But guys plz tell me from the core of your heart aren't we doing this coz we dont have any influential contacts to get into such airlines?If the guy who has written the post about sending mails to Arnab, finds some one who could get him inside an airline he would be the first one to grab the oppurtunity by any means and forget about the issue of the several other jobless pilots.
The blame should be put on the Govt of inadequate infra,high prices of petrol,open skies policlyetc,etc.These airlines need to expand which means more planes means more pilots simple equation.
Its not about a fair chance I feel that every unemployed pilot should get a job.Except those dumb asses who got their licenses by jhol.They dont even deserve to clean the aircraft toilet.Again its not abt money also most of us can definitely make the money spent by taking something elseup rather than sit on our sore arses n keep bitching abt unfair practices in pilot employment.Its abt the hardwork we put in, those endless hours of studying for dgca and Airline written.
Pls ask Arnab in your email why the Govt is turning a blind eye to the Aviation Industry ????????
The blame should be put on the Govt of inadequate infra,high prices of petrol,open skies policlyetc,etc.These airlines need to expand which means more planes means more pilots simple equation.
Its not about a fair chance I feel that every unemployed pilot should get a job.Except those dumb asses who got their licenses by jhol.They dont even deserve to clean the aircraft toilet.Again its not abt money also most of us can definitely make the money spent by taking something elseup rather than sit on our sore arses n keep bitching abt unfair practices in pilot employment.Its abt the hardwork we put in, those endless hours of studying for dgca and Airline written.
Pls ask Arnab in your email why the Govt is turning a blind eye to the Aviation Industry ????????
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i feel like banging my head to a wall quite literally after reading everything you've had to say, it's because of people with a mindset like yours that the airlines will continue to exploit us in the most outright manner, c'mon man i'm trying to fight for a just and valid cause here, how about a little bit of help and appreciation? i don't mean to attack you personally, but your views are just beyond me!
But just that few people didn't got or took chance to sit for this shambolic exams doesnt mean they got right to fight for it....your effort is honest one but at wrong time.You or many others could have started it earlier in 2011 March itself when Spice started it's open exam for all but called mere 310 pilots.Few rated 737 guys did that in Nov and got a re-shot at exam again but did any one tried to change things back in July 2011 ? No one did....
Nothing to shy away but there are many who have been suffering from this type of nepotism well before many of you even got a bare hour logged in your books.
1. Its better to avoid scams like this that many have been doing it rightly than fighting against it.
If mass boycott's happen for previous Spice exams , they wont have courage to ask for fee rise in this one.
Mind it CAE use to charge 375 $ for simple 100 ques exam in start which almost every pilot gave but that frequency of total number of pilot went down which made CAE rethink about their fee policy...See the point ?
2. Reading about old spicejet thread would have given some hard facts about previous patterns of exams which you are now trying to fight against.
3. If people resisted there charm for easy jet jobs then Spice wont have charged this much ....people are flocking on there doors in huge amount so how and why will they even consider not making money out of hapless pilots.Mind it they are here doing BIZ not community service.
4. I am not defending Spice , let alone i don't even bother sending them my resume's any more as i am pretty sure being the last one in the long queue for getting job there.
My reply to you was mere assumption as everything goes up when dollar goes up.You might know that Foreign Exchange is done in $$ not in Rs.....little funny isn't it ?
5. CAE from the start has maintained a procedure of calling pilots keeping their medical/TT/RTR and last flying date and details in relation to assessment dates.But for Spice , HR guys have the option of picking pilots for exams.
6. AI/Jet call 3000 or more for all india exams...and they pay huge amount for center's but here CAE arranges 2-3 day exams for that they pay less amount which they automatically recovers when pilot pays fee's for later stages.Spice on the other hand pay little and takes home almost all....why because they are making money out of unemployed pilots who are banging on there doors to get a job.Still having a laugh at those who paid hard earned 25K to spice? If i was you i would rather feel sorry.
And i said COMPANY policies...which i guess you don't have a clue what it means.Boy that's called make money out everything and say its company policy.
My reply was showing you the difference b/w spice & cae not defending them.
7.Infrastructure was poor since the start and it might be same for some few coming years too.....we have no choice other than giving in to airlines.Even 1500 TT are not getting airline job directly ....so don't make mole out of paying TR amount.Not all are charging TR money is full...its bits and parts policy which have been going on in India lately.Many pilots took instruction path in bad times earning their way up in hours...some have got good airline jobs right now with hard work.Every good thing takes time and hardship..nothing will be deliver to you in plate. No infrastructure doesn't mean every pilot has to be put on culling list by airlines/operators just for sake of saying " hey i got no chance other than taking this one "....
NO i am not working for SPICEJET....and will never try to work for a airline which leaches on hapless pilots.
I do care about this protest as it effects me too...but why i don't care about this so called protest against Spice is that many of you will jump the line just for the sake of job given a chance and make a laughing mob out of yourself in later stage when T&C is given on your face... while rest ( deserving and hard working ) will feel dejected as many are feeling now.
Many including myself started avoiding money grabbing mongrel's like Spice/KFA and never tried to be in contention for hot seats put on sale by them is that every one has dignity to say NO or enough is enough which many of this thread cry babies don't have...
Many including you who didn't gave this exam saved themselves from agony of wasting efforts while rest thought they wasted a golden chance to hold on to that shinny jet seat...
Just don't make a mockery out of yourself is what i requested as many UPA folks have done in past
Not fighting or defending anyone just making some points which wise guys have been following before new members like mentat on this forum put it as " Discouragement "
When some people don't pay attention to things they are being told to observe patiently in quite environment which other persons have gone through will bring outcome like this result of spicejet is giving.
Learn from various Expats here in this forum who ask questions relating to new jobs/environment/procedures/work culture& living conditions.....before spending their hard efforts for getting that job.
I will be more than happy to say i am " IN " but if this protest includes many other AIRLINES too....Mind taking those ?
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Hello everyone
I studied real hard for this exam thinking i will get through .The exam was very basic and i knew for a fact tht i will clear.Unfortunately i did'nt and i am sure it wasnt a fair deal at all and everything has been concocted by SG.
I have been following arnab goswami and he will help us sail through this problem of big money scam and for this we all will have to unite .
I am on it!!
I studied real hard for this exam thinking i will get through .The exam was very basic and i knew for a fact tht i will clear.Unfortunately i did'nt and i am sure it wasnt a fair deal at all and everything has been concocted by SG.
I have been following arnab goswami and he will help us sail through this problem of big money scam and for this we all will have to unite .
I am on it!!