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Exactly! i wasn't really sure wht the mental aptitude tests were for!
I mean i thought i was giving a pilot entrance exam! dint know had to play with 3d figures and stuff like tht,
i dunno if there is any jugad but certainly these mental tests would filter people out! and above that God alone knows wht the right answers were!
I mean i thought i was giving a pilot entrance exam! dint know had to play with 3d figures and stuff like tht,i dunno if there is any jugad but certainly these mental tests would filter people out! and above that God alone knows wht the right answers were!
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@jimmygill
"Some can get Jet Airways to send a chauffeur driven car to the exam center."
If you want to make a point, at least make a valid one, rather than writing BS of this sort.
I refuse to believe that more than 1000 candidates who gave the exam today got the call letter because all of them had some kind of contact in Jet airways.
"Some can get Jet Airways to send a chauffeur driven car to the exam center."
If you want to make a point, at least make a valid one, rather than writing BS of this sort.
I refuse to believe that more than 1000 candidates who gave the exam today got the call letter because all of them had some kind of contact in Jet airways.
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Jet Airways.
I know I am too late in posting anything and everything about the exams.
But in all I would like to comment that the technical paper was PROPERLY SET. That was the paper alone which could at least filter out the Below Average (I mean the Ones who have really taken Aviation as a Hobby or have Loads of Money to Clear it out with Money and not with the Proper kind of Approach.) Pilots from the ones who really would have studied would have scratched out the Best they can in Studies and Practical Application, Because the paper was so.
About the Mental test it was not that much necessary, but even Jet do need some Criteria to filter out around approx 600 guys in the examination(as they are going to approx select 150 candidates from the examination held) so no idea whether to complain about it or no.
And the Last test compiled of Nav, Regs, POF(Principles Of Flight), Performance & Met was the easiest one.
So in short (actually the above message is too long
)
Jet at least did a good job
And also ALL THE BEST
to all of them for their results.
But in all I would like to comment that the technical paper was PROPERLY SET. That was the paper alone which could at least filter out the Below Average (I mean the Ones who have really taken Aviation as a Hobby or have Loads of Money to Clear it out with Money and not with the Proper kind of Approach.) Pilots from the ones who really would have studied would have scratched out the Best they can in Studies and Practical Application, Because the paper was so.
About the Mental test it was not that much necessary, but even Jet do need some Criteria to filter out around approx 600 guys in the examination(as they are going to approx select 150 candidates from the examination held) so no idea whether to complain about it or no.
And the Last test compiled of Nav, Regs, POF(Principles Of Flight), Performance & Met was the easiest one.
So in short (actually the above message is too long
) Jet at least did a good job
And also ALL THE BEST
to all of them for their results.
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@sierra_november
That was preemptive, before real BS about jets system being all fair starts pouring in.
At the same time I refuse to believe
1. That all those who didn't get the call had not sent the CV to SM center.
2. That all those who today appeared for the exam got the roll number just because they had sent their CV to SM center in time and nothing else.
3. That there was no impersonation today.
4. That there will be absolutely no evaluation malpractices.
The very design of the system is for pilfering. You are acting like you have grown up in some kind of Utopia. In this nation where everyone is willing to cheat in exams, having such abysmal anti-cheating system is itself a crying plea of mea culpa.
If you live in this country, first get an idea about her.
PS: Sorry I made an assumption that you are grown up, if I am wrong do let me know.
If you want to make a point, at least make a valid one, rather than writing BS of this sort.
I refuse to believe that more than 1000 candidates who gave the exam today got the call letter because all of them had some kind of contact in Jet airways.
1. That all those who didn't get the call had not sent the CV to SM center.
2. That all those who today appeared for the exam got the roll number just because they had sent their CV to SM center in time and nothing else.
3. That there was no impersonation today.
4. That there will be absolutely no evaluation malpractices.
The very design of the system is for pilfering. You are acting like you have grown up in some kind of Utopia. In this nation where everyone is willing to cheat in exams, having such abysmal anti-cheating system is itself a crying plea of mea culpa.
If you live in this country, first get an idea about her.
sabz hoti hi nahin ye sarzamin
tukhm-e-khwahish dil main tu bota hai kya
ibtida-e-ishq hai rota hai kya
age age dekhiye hota hai kya
tukhm-e-khwahish dil main tu bota hai kya
ibtida-e-ishq hai rota hai kya
age age dekhiye hota hai kya
PS: Sorry I made an assumption that you are grown up, if I am wrong do let me know.
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Some bad questions...
1. Horizontally Polarized radio waves are
a) Electrical field travels in horizontal plane
b) Magnetic field travels in vertical plane
c) Electric field travels in vertical plane
d) Magnetic field travels in horizontal plane
For people who are aware of little bit of science they know that, in EM radiations E and M fields are perpendicular to each other and vary in a plane transverse to the direction of propagation, hence a) and b) are same, and so are c) and d), this question is going to have two correct answers, and each one is as correct as other. This question displays that question setter is a nincompoop.
2. Earth is heated by
a) A. Insulation (sic)
b) some bs option
c) another bs option
d) none of the above
Those who know what is Insolation and Insulation, knows that its an ill-made question,
3. If an aircraft descends to a higher altitude at constant IAS
a) M increases
b) M decreases
c) .....
d) .....
Obviously there is a mistake, but which one is mistake, 'descends' or 'higher'
4. Speed of sound at sea level ISA is
a) 660.7 Knots
b) 661.7 Knots
c) 662.7 Knots
d) 663.7 Knots
What the hell are they trying to evaluate...
5. Atmosphere is instable when ELR is
a) > DALR
b) = DALR
c) < DALR
d) none of above (not sure)
In order to determine Instability absolutely one needs to know ELR in relation to SALR, this is not the best way to ask this question.
More as I remember.... had I not been subjected to all those paper folding I would have retained more of their mistakes, especially from the Technical paper...
One more
6. Flight spoiler
a) some bull **** option
b) some bull **** option
c) some bull **** option
d) increase lift on up-going wing
That was the closest thing which could be called 'correct', and any decent pilot will know how incorrect this is...
6. Flight spoiler
a) some bull **** option
b) some bull **** option
c) some bull **** option
d) increase lift on up-going wing
6. Aircraft generator are rated as
a) ....
b) KVA
c) KW
d) none of the above
How do KVA and KW differ?
That was the closest thing which could be called 'correct', and any decent pilot will know how incorrect this is..
there was another one on flight spoiler... any one remebers?
and there was one question about trim tab where word 'ahead' was used while defining some position 'trim tab', 'ahead' is an ambiguous term to use.. while Cockpit is ahead of wings, for the wind wings are ahead of the cockpit. Smart teachers use words like fore and aft, instead of ahead and behind.
1. Horizontally Polarized radio waves are
a) Electrical field travels in horizontal plane
b) Magnetic field travels in vertical plane
c) Electric field travels in vertical plane
d) Magnetic field travels in horizontal plane
For people who are aware of little bit of science they know that, in EM radiations E and M fields are perpendicular to each other and vary in a plane transverse to the direction of propagation, hence a) and b) are same, and so are c) and d), this question is going to have two correct answers, and each one is as correct as other. This question displays that question setter is a nincompoop.
2. Earth is heated by
a) A. Insulation (sic)
b) some bs option
c) another bs option
d) none of the above
Those who know what is Insolation and Insulation, knows that its an ill-made question,
3. If an aircraft descends to a higher altitude at constant IAS
a) M increases
b) M decreases
c) .....
d) .....
Obviously there is a mistake, but which one is mistake, 'descends' or 'higher'
4. Speed of sound at sea level ISA is
a) 660.7 Knots
b) 661.7 Knots
c) 662.7 Knots
d) 663.7 Knots
What the hell are they trying to evaluate...
5. Atmosphere is instable when ELR is
a) > DALR
b) = DALR
c) < DALR
d) none of above (not sure)
In order to determine Instability absolutely one needs to know ELR in relation to SALR, this is not the best way to ask this question.
More as I remember.... had I not been subjected to all those paper folding I would have retained more of their mistakes, especially from the Technical paper...
One more
6. Flight spoiler
a) some bull **** option
b) some bull **** option
c) some bull **** option
d) increase lift on up-going wing
That was the closest thing which could be called 'correct', and any decent pilot will know how incorrect this is...
6. Flight spoiler
a) some bull **** option
b) some bull **** option
c) some bull **** option
d) increase lift on up-going wing
6. Aircraft generator are rated as
a) ....
b) KVA
c) KW
d) none of the above
How do KVA and KW differ?
That was the closest thing which could be called 'correct', and any decent pilot will know how incorrect this is..
there was another one on flight spoiler... any one remebers?
and there was one question about trim tab where word 'ahead' was used while defining some position 'trim tab', 'ahead' is an ambiguous term to use.. while Cockpit is ahead of wings, for the wind wings are ahead of the cockpit. Smart teachers use words like fore and aft, instead of ahead and behind.
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@jimmygill
When did I say that the whole selection process is going to be fair and square ????
All I was voicing against was, people hyping 'jugaad' at this level i.e getting called for the written. you were the one who said that all 3 of my friends have a jack in Jet and so they got called for the written, now if this applies to them then it should apply to all those who got called after 21st/22nd etc... which amounts to a big number
I have given three airline tests including the one today and I very well know how the system works.
"Some can get Jet Airways to send a chauffeur driven car to the exam center."
People can judge who is grown up and who is not from the above comment.
When did I say that the whole selection process is going to be fair and square ????
All I was voicing against was, people hyping 'jugaad' at this level i.e getting called for the written. you were the one who said that all 3 of my friends have a jack in Jet and so they got called for the written, now if this applies to them then it should apply to all those who got called after 21st/22nd etc... which amounts to a big number
I have given three airline tests including the one today and I very well know how the system works.
"Some can get Jet Airways to send a chauffeur driven car to the exam center."
People can judge who is grown up and who is not from the above comment.
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which amounts to a big number
On 21st December, Roll numbers for Delhi center were already at 2800 series. Today the highest roll number was 2936 in Delhi.
And if people did get roll numbers which were out of serial after 21st that only corroborates alphabravocharlie's theory.
If one's dad is DGCA, JDGCA, DDGCA, CXO at 9W, It won't be hard to get that car. Trust me its blatant over here. And if one's dad were Praful Patel, it would have been the CRJ or ATR from 9W and of course with whisky on board, it will take one directly from Gondia and airdrop in Delhi. When Rudy got that job it was not that he was world class pilot and he knew what Alveoli are.
In aviation foul play is the rule, fair game is the exception.
Get out from the creche and see the world for what it is.
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in mumbai centre we were asked to mark with pen itself
and the last aviation test had one correction (q no 10) and one question was disqualified (q no 26)
in mumbai centre we were asked to mark with pen itself
and the last aviation test had one correction (q no 10) and one question was disqualified (q no 26)
Thanks, these corrections were not announced where I was.
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When Rudy got that job it was not that he was world class pilot and he knew what Alveoli are.
i have to
for above observation... i remember the bjp press conference post manglore tragedy ..how rudy suddenly became the media darling courtesy his maverick
dissection of the events ..bile ran up my throat as he incessantly stressed on his aviation know how which he thinks made him God's gift to indian junta..
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@ jimmygill
"If one's dad is DGCA, JDGCA, DDGCA, CXO at 9W, It won't be hard to get that car. Trust me its blatant over here. And if one's dad were Praful Patel, it would have been the CRJ or ATR from 9W and of course with whisky on board, it will take one directly from Gondia and airdrop in Delhi."
All I can do is laugh at the above comments. If one's dad is DGCA,JDGCA, DDGCA, CXO at 9W would he need to take the written test ????
Aren't you contradicting yourself here ?? you say that corruption and malpractice are rampant in our aviation industry (to which I completely agree) and then you say that the son of JDGCA, DDGCA, CXO at 9W would still have to give the written test albeit he will be treated like royalty....
Till not long ago we kept hearing of agents who get those who are willing to pay up a big amount inducted in an airline, without the candidate having to take any kind of written test with the airline, but according to you the sons of the above mentioned people would still need to take the written test.
better get out of your creche before you write stuff similar to what you've written .
"If one's dad is DGCA, JDGCA, DDGCA, CXO at 9W, It won't be hard to get that car. Trust me its blatant over here. And if one's dad were Praful Patel, it would have been the CRJ or ATR from 9W and of course with whisky on board, it will take one directly from Gondia and airdrop in Delhi."
All I can do is laugh at the above comments. If one's dad is DGCA,JDGCA, DDGCA, CXO at 9W would he need to take the written test ????
Aren't you contradicting yourself here ?? you say that corruption and malpractice are rampant in our aviation industry (to which I completely agree) and then you say that the son of JDGCA, DDGCA, CXO at 9W would still have to give the written test albeit he will be treated like royalty....
Till not long ago we kept hearing of agents who get those who are willing to pay up a big amount inducted in an airline, without the candidate having to take any kind of written test with the airline, but according to you the sons of the above mentioned people would still need to take the written test.
better get out of your creche before you write stuff similar to what you've written .
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bile ran up my throat as he incessantly stressed on his aviation know how which he thinks made him God's gift to indian junta..
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hahahahahahahhahaha all you jerks who are thinking that this jet airways test has been outsourced to TCS and will be all fair and square and no jugaad ...
you dimwits ! wake up to reality.
this is a big farce !!
first off the exam is conducted by a small little heard of outfit called CCMC (corporate comprehensive management consultants) in Andheri, Mumbai.
You need to go to that place and see the "office" they have in Nahar Amrit Shakti (Andheri)
it is smaller than a local pan shop or tea stall their so called bloody "registered" office.
This outfit is run by an ex-Jet Airways guy (Dr. S. Pandey).
Anyway all you dumb kids will start rattling away now, so I'd say wait and watch what happens in the next stages to follow !
you dimwits ! wake up to reality.
this is a big farce !!
first off the exam is conducted by a small little heard of outfit called CCMC (corporate comprehensive management consultants) in Andheri, Mumbai.
You need to go to that place and see the "office" they have in Nahar Amrit Shakti (Andheri)
it is smaller than a local pan shop or tea stall their so called bloody "registered" office.
This outfit is run by an ex-Jet Airways guy (Dr. S. Pandey).
Anyway all you dumb kids will start rattling away now, so I'd say wait and watch what happens in the next stages to follow !
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JET written
hey guys...
here's my view on the jet written.
1. Mostly very basic questions with a few exception. I was trying to study much deeper instead of paying attention to basic details and MESSED up.
2. Mental aptitude is a norm is most of the selection processes world wide.
ISSUES:
1. WHY only mark answers with PENCIL?????? atleast in chennai this is wat happened.
*****2*****. Why were der so many VACANT SEATS?????
this also reminds me of a previous post by someone mentioning the HR is charging money for the empty roll numbers!!!
kindly shed some light.
also any clue how many would be selected from the "written"????
here's my view on the jet written.
1. Mostly very basic questions with a few exception. I was trying to study much deeper instead of paying attention to basic details and MESSED up.
2. Mental aptitude is a norm is most of the selection processes world wide.
ISSUES:
1. WHY only mark answers with PENCIL?????? atleast in chennai this is wat happened.
*****2*****. Why were der so many VACANT SEATS?????
this also reminds me of a previous post by someone mentioning the HR is charging money for the empty roll numbers!!!
kindly shed some light.
also any clue how many would be selected from the "written"????
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well as far as i know the question was how does the lower tropopause gets heated up and the answer was by long wave radiations from earth
this was the correction which was made in mumbai centre
actually its ASCEND
and so the mach no increases
buddy i guess this is the given value which you should know always
anyways the answer is 661.7 kts
(39 x root of (273+15)
to know the instability we should always compare with dalr and to know the stability we should always compare with salr
so this question is correct because if the elr lies between salr and dalr then its conditionally unstable
but if its higher then dalr then perfectly unstable
remember this is one of the factor in formation of thunder clouds
the answer for this is kva
now whats the difference between kva and kw is i kva = 0.8 kw
well some power factor plays a role in their equation
also the question no 2 in first technicqal paper had wrong units
the question was
how much force is required to move a 10 kg object at the rate of 98m/sec^2
and in the options the units were in kgs itself
and they were
10 kg
100 kg
1000 kg
10000 kg
this question was not corrected at mumbai centre
also in one more question in the same technical paper it was said a battery has a capacity of 150 ampere/hour
thats again completely wrong because battery capacity is in ampere-hour and not ampere/hour
2. Earth is heated by
a) A. Insulation (sic)
b) some bs option
c) another bs option
d) none of the above
Those who know what is Insolation and Insulation, knows that its an ill-made question,
a) A. Insulation (sic)
b) some bs option
c) another bs option
d) none of the above
Those who know what is Insolation and Insulation, knows that its an ill-made question,
3. If an aircraft descends to a higher altitude at constant IAS
a) M increases
b) M decreases
c) .....
d) .....
Obviously there is a mistake, but which one is mistake, 'descends' or 'higher'
a) M increases
b) M decreases
c) .....
d) .....
Obviously there is a mistake, but which one is mistake, 'descends' or 'higher'
this was the correction which was made in mumbai centre
actually its ASCEND
and so the mach no increases
4. Speed of sound at sea level ISA is
a) 660.7 Knots
b) 661.7 Knots
c) 662.7 Knots
d) 663.7 Knots
What the hell are they trying to evaluate...
a) 660.7 Knots
b) 661.7 Knots
c) 662.7 Knots
d) 663.7 Knots
What the hell are they trying to evaluate...
anyways the answer is 661.7 kts
(39 x root of (273+15)
5. Atmosphere is instable when ELR is
a) > DALR
b) = DALR
c) < DALR
d) none of above (not sure)
In order to determine Instability absolutely one needs to know ELR in relation to SALR, this is not the best way to ask this question.
a) > DALR
b) = DALR
c) < DALR
d) none of above (not sure)
In order to determine Instability absolutely one needs to know ELR in relation to SALR, this is not the best way to ask this question.
so this question is correct because if the elr lies between salr and dalr then its conditionally unstable
but if its higher then dalr then perfectly unstable
remember this is one of the factor in formation of thunder clouds
6. Aircraft generator are rated as
a) ....
b) KVA
c) KW
d) none of the above
How do KVA and KW differ?
a) ....
b) KVA
c) KW
d) none of the above
How do KVA and KW differ?
now whats the difference between kva and kw is i kva = 0.8 kw
well some power factor plays a role in their equation
also the question no 2 in first technicqal paper had wrong units
the question was
how much force is required to move a 10 kg object at the rate of 98m/sec^2
and in the options the units were in kgs itself
and they were
10 kg
100 kg
1000 kg
10000 kg
this question was not corrected at mumbai centre
also in one more question in the same technical paper it was said a battery has a capacity of 150 ampere/hour
thats again completely wrong because battery capacity is in ampere-hour and not ampere/hour
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Regarding the VACANT SEATS in some of the exam halls ...
Now, a lot of people have outright refuted what alphabravovharlie1 has written a few posts back (about HR taking money for giving out roll numbers),
Well, look at it this way.
If you or for that matter anyone else had paid up money to get a call letter, will you be frank and admit it in this forum or in front of others ?
(Im guessing a big hell NO !)
Of course not ! If I paid and passed DGCA exams, paid and got RT licence, paid and got a job or used other contacts or "JUGAD" will I go about telling others how I actually got my things done ???
Will I actually go and tell everyone that alphabravocharlie and few others are absolutely right and that what they said is gospel !??
NEVER !
I will just be politically correct and tell others that I passed exams by studying all night long and sleeping for an average of 2 hours daily, and that it was hard work and dedication which got me the job or RT licence or anything !
Thats about as honest as I can get.
We live in a f#cking politically correct so called "professional" world.
Just because you, me or a few of our friends got call letters just by sending across our CVs to the email of jet airways, DOES NOT MEAN, everyone got it done the same way.
or .. the other way round...
just because me and a few other candidates got call letters by paying money to HR people, DOES NOT MEAN, we would be foolish enough to tell the whole world that we paid and got things done.
Now, a lot of people have outright refuted what alphabravovharlie1 has written a few posts back (about HR taking money for giving out roll numbers),
Well, look at it this way.
If you or for that matter anyone else had paid up money to get a call letter, will you be frank and admit it in this forum or in front of others ?
(Im guessing a big hell NO !)
Of course not ! If I paid and passed DGCA exams, paid and got RT licence, paid and got a job or used other contacts or "JUGAD" will I go about telling others how I actually got my things done ???
Will I actually go and tell everyone that alphabravocharlie and few others are absolutely right and that what they said is gospel !??
NEVER !
I will just be politically correct and tell others that I passed exams by studying all night long and sleeping for an average of 2 hours daily, and that it was hard work and dedication which got me the job or RT licence or anything !
Thats about as honest as I can get.
We live in a f#cking politically correct so called "professional" world.
Just because you, me or a few of our friends got call letters just by sending across our CVs to the email of jet airways, DOES NOT MEAN, everyone got it done the same way.
or .. the other way round...
just because me and a few other candidates got call letters by paying money to HR people, DOES NOT MEAN, we would be foolish enough to tell the whole world that we paid and got things done.
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@Jimmy Gill
Whatever you said But that was all BS.
You cant expect a paper more easier than the one we had.
Seriously if you can remove nooks in this paper than you can in any paper because I suppose your motive is to do the thing and just blindly post it on PPRune.
That was one of the easiest paper every1 could get. And you say that the way of asking question was not proper. Now should we give options like the game show, DO 50-50, take audience vote, or fone a friend..
Whatever you said But that was all BS.
You cant expect a paper more easier than the one we had.
Seriously if you can remove nooks in this paper than you can in any paper because I suppose your motive is to do the thing and just blindly post it on PPRune.
That was one of the easiest paper every1 could get. And you say that the way of asking question was not proper. Now should we give options like the game show, DO 50-50, take audience vote, or fone a friend..