Malpractices in WPC - RT EXAM
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Those who say that hard work and dedicated preparation are enough to clear the RT exams are either kidding themselves, totally ignorant or outright lying.
Shanx,
Thank you. Thank you for characterising me as either
1) Fool (2) Ignorant fool (3) Liar.And what is worse is you don't even know me!!
For your info, I took the WPC test in 1998. A friend and I got the syallabus,purchased/borrowed books from a library, took advice from those who had done it before (successfully and without bribing anyone, I might add) . Practised ,practised, practised r/t procedures for three months straight.I knew every route and reporting point on the airways in India by the end of that. Signed up for a three day class in Chennai,conducted by a retired WPC officer (Rs 300/-). Realized that the theory part he taught was no good and we ended up teaching some of his students.But he did give us pointers in time management and what to expect in the transmission part of the test.
Went to Chennai and passed the exam in one attempt. Some of the questions were pretty hokey in the viva, but the fact that I knew the principle of the microphone must have impressed the WPC guy.The only expense I incurred were in the purchase of materials,travel and for the class.So, I still say it is possible to work hard and get through the exam.So, before you make sweeping generalizations as you did, stop and consider what has become of your generation that does not believe anything is possible. At some level, I do feel sorry for you and your countrymen.The problem is self sustaining because of folks like you.
And, as a point of information, I know countless people who did not pay a dime and passed the exam. I also know people who made the "pilgrimage" to the various centres and finally passed in the final 6th or 7th attempt but did not pay anybody. And, be grateful that the days when you had to read 6 words per minute in morse to pass thet test are over.I wonder how people identify the navaids these days. Even though, I did not have to do the morse test, I learned it anyway and it payed off because one of the questions asked of me in the viva was how I would identify Trivandrum VOR.
Sorry, my young friend, aviation still is a demanding mistress and you can buy your way into a cockpit only upto a certain point.If you and your generation can't get that then DGCA will continue to thrive and there will actually be smoking holes in the ground some day.
Alt3
Shanx,
Thank you. Thank you for characterising me as either
1) Fool (2) Ignorant fool (3) Liar.And what is worse is you don't even know me!!For your info, I took the WPC test in 1998. A friend and I got the syallabus,purchased/borrowed books from a library, took advice from those who had done it before (successfully and without bribing anyone, I might add) . Practised ,practised, practised r/t procedures for three months straight.I knew every route and reporting point on the airways in India by the end of that. Signed up for a three day class in Chennai,conducted by a retired WPC officer (Rs 300/-). Realized that the theory part he taught was no good and we ended up teaching some of his students.But he did give us pointers in time management and what to expect in the transmission part of the test.
Went to Chennai and passed the exam in one attempt. Some of the questions were pretty hokey in the viva, but the fact that I knew the principle of the microphone must have impressed the WPC guy.The only expense I incurred were in the purchase of materials,travel and for the class.So, I still say it is possible to work hard and get through the exam.So, before you make sweeping generalizations as you did, stop and consider what has become of your generation that does not believe anything is possible. At some level, I do feel sorry for you and your countrymen.The problem is self sustaining because of folks like you.
And, as a point of information, I know countless people who did not pay a dime and passed the exam. I also know people who made the "pilgrimage" to the various centres and finally passed in the final 6th or 7th attempt but did not pay anybody. And, be grateful that the days when you had to read 6 words per minute in morse to pass thet test are over.I wonder how people identify the navaids these days. Even though, I did not have to do the morse test, I learned it anyway and it payed off because one of the questions asked of me in the viva was how I would identify Trivandrum VOR.
Sorry, my young friend, aviation still is a demanding mistress and you can buy your way into a cockpit only upto a certain point.If you and your generation can't get that then DGCA will continue to thrive and there will actually be smoking holes in the ground some day.
Alt3
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Alouette3,
I understand my posts might have hurt your sentiments some way and I apologize for that.
It was not directed to you nor did I intend to label you under one of those categories.
Im sure you'll agree with me that a LOT has changed since 1998. Of course, the WPC babus realized they could make hay while the sun shines much later than the paper pushers in the DGCA.
Anyway, Im only writing what I have seen myself and have been through the last 3 to 4 years.
Not just random word of mouth as is ever prevalent here, but from my own experience and the experiences of several people whom I personally know.
Trust me Alt3, my good friends (the ones who could not pass in the first attempt), did the very same thing. Went to coaching classes in Delhi .. then in Mumbai. Studied for hours practicing those RT calls and tried to gather whatever they could to prepare for the viva (part 2).
Yet, in one particular attempt NONE of my 15 friends passed. NOT EVEN PART 1.... and these friends whom I personally know are NOT your spoilt brats burning away rich daddy's money to glory. They are CPL holders with an engineering degree from reputed colleges who have a genuine interest in flying and are not from well off families. They have all taken loans to try and pursue their dreams.
So Im not in any way trying to make sweeping generalizations.
Well, Alt3, Im sure you have not lived in India long enough to realise the realities here.
As I said, things have gone from bad to worse in our systems and is now utter chaos.
However, as I myself stated earlier, it is NOT entirely because of this present generation.
It is ACCUMULATED neglect and apathy over DECADES.
Good educated people were too busy with their own lives, left our country and settled elsewhere (brain drain), while a good number of grand parents and parents have not passed on some valuable knowledge and civic sense to their kids.
Hence you see this present generations having a gala time without giving 2 hoots to whats happenning around them to their fellow citizens.
Nobody cares or bothers to even find out how to get registered in the electoral rolls and when election day arrives it is JUST ANOTHER HOLIDAY for them .. or an extended weekend.
So, the problem trickles down.
If only less than 40% people are going to vote and the good people abstain from politics or even from exercising their franchise, then obviously crooks and gangsters and mafias are going to enter politics and get the reins to run this country.
Because of which we would have more corruption, because of which we would have corrupted officers in various departments in our govt., because of which ........ and the show goes on.
As I said ... ACCUMULATED NEGLECT and APATHY.
Totally agreed.
But an important question here is WHY SHOULD GENUINELY HARD WORKING CANDIDATES MAKE THOSE "PILGRIMAGES" AND PASS AFTER 6 or 7 attempts ??
I ALSO know a lot of people who passed WITHOUT preparing for the exams or with half hearted preparations. They simply went to the exam center just because it was held in the city they reside in, and to catch up with friends and they passed !
(No money paid)
My point is not about paying bribes or not ... simply put .. if someone clears RTR exam in the first attempt in these years, it is EXTREMELY difficult to say for sure if it is because of his hard work, bribes or sheer luck. (and the other reasons mentioned earlier).
I agree it might be a demanding mistress, but are you implying that if someone "buys" an RT licence, there would be smoking holes in the ground ?
Or are you implying that if people "work hard" and pass RT exams in their 12th or 13th attempt without paying bribes, then India would never have any smoking holes ??
Shanx,
Thank you. Thank you for characterising me as either
1) Fool (2) Ignorant fool (3) Liar.And what is worse is you don't even know me!!
Thank you. Thank you for characterising me as either
1) Fool (2) Ignorant fool (3) Liar.And what is worse is you don't even know me!!It was not directed to you nor did I intend to label you under one of those categories.
For your info, I took the WPC test in 1998.
Anyway, Im only writing what I have seen myself and have been through the last 3 to 4 years.
Not just random word of mouth as is ever prevalent here, but from my own experience and the experiences of several people whom I personally know.
A friend and I got the syallabus,purchased/borrowed books from a library, took advice from those who had done it before (successfully and without bribing anyone, I might add) . Practised ,practised, practised r/t procedures for three months straight.I knew every route and reporting point on the airways in India by the end of that.
Yet, in one particular attempt NONE of my 15 friends passed. NOT EVEN PART 1.... and these friends whom I personally know are NOT your spoilt brats burning away rich daddy's money to glory. They are CPL holders with an engineering degree from reputed colleges who have a genuine interest in flying and are not from well off families. They have all taken loans to try and pursue their dreams.
So Im not in any way trying to make sweeping generalizations.
So, before you make sweeping generalizations as you did, stop and consider what has become of your generation that does not believe anything is possible. At some level, I do feel sorry for you and your countrymen.The problem is self sustaining because of folks like you.
As I said, things have gone from bad to worse in our systems and is now utter chaos.
However, as I myself stated earlier, it is NOT entirely because of this present generation.
It is ACCUMULATED neglect and apathy over DECADES.
Good educated people were too busy with their own lives, left our country and settled elsewhere (brain drain), while a good number of grand parents and parents have not passed on some valuable knowledge and civic sense to their kids.
Hence you see this present generations having a gala time without giving 2 hoots to whats happenning around them to their fellow citizens.
Nobody cares or bothers to even find out how to get registered in the electoral rolls and when election day arrives it is JUST ANOTHER HOLIDAY for them .. or an extended weekend.
So, the problem trickles down.
If only less than 40% people are going to vote and the good people abstain from politics or even from exercising their franchise, then obviously crooks and gangsters and mafias are going to enter politics and get the reins to run this country.
Because of which we would have more corruption, because of which we would have corrupted officers in various departments in our govt., because of which ........ and the show goes on.
As I said ... ACCUMULATED NEGLECT and APATHY.
And, as a point of information, I know countless people who did not pay a dime and passed the exam. I also know people who made the "pilgrimage" to the various centres and finally passed in the final 6th or 7th attempt but did not pay anybody.
But an important question here is WHY SHOULD GENUINELY HARD WORKING CANDIDATES MAKE THOSE "PILGRIMAGES" AND PASS AFTER 6 or 7 attempts ??
I ALSO know a lot of people who passed WITHOUT preparing for the exams or with half hearted preparations. They simply went to the exam center just because it was held in the city they reside in, and to catch up with friends and they passed !
(No money paid)
My point is not about paying bribes or not ... simply put .. if someone clears RTR exam in the first attempt in these years, it is EXTREMELY difficult to say for sure if it is because of his hard work, bribes or sheer luck. (and the other reasons mentioned earlier).
Sorry, my young friend, aviation still is a demanding mistress and you can buy your way into a cockpit only upto a certain point.If you and your generation can't get that then DGCA will continue to thrive and there will actually be smoking holes in the ground some day.
Or are you implying that if people "work hard" and pass RT exams in their 12th or 13th attempt without paying bribes, then India would never have any smoking holes ??
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Shanx,
I will admit, I am out of touch with what is the reality on the ground in India.It has been a decade.
No, I did not mean that those who pass the r/t exam are better. I do believe that the attitude that I see here and elsewhere gives me cause for concern.It is not that the young CPL holders are not good, it is what are they are willing to do to get the dream job? work hard ,battle the corruption or pay?
The folks who took several attempts to pass, admitted that the viva was very subjective. If the WPC or ATC guy did not like you he would ask questions that would ensure failure.But we all went in there knowing that to be true and did our best. We bemoaned the corruption even then but we worked throught it.
Alt3.
I will admit, I am out of touch with what is the reality on the ground in India.It has been a decade.
No, I did not mean that those who pass the r/t exam are better. I do believe that the attitude that I see here and elsewhere gives me cause for concern.It is not that the young CPL holders are not good, it is what are they are willing to do to get the dream job? work hard ,battle the corruption or pay?
The folks who took several attempts to pass, admitted that the viva was very subjective. If the WPC or ATC guy did not like you he would ask questions that would ensure failure.But we all went in there knowing that to be true and did our best. We bemoaned the corruption even then but we worked throught it.
Alt3.
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Would also like to add here that RT is not only about working hard clearing the exam. the conversation has to be audible and understandable. Unfortunately that is also one of the prime reasons of not being able to clear the RT, i.e, the native regional accent taking its toll. no offence meant.
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I agree LUCK plays a big part. But, that is not all you need. Practically, you have to know certain things to give your RT along with luck.
It's not true that all the people who've got through with their RT have had only luck to play its part. I'm sure everyone has given their best efforts and worked hard for it. Saying that luck is the key factor is honestly silly!
But, then again, for those who have given several attempts in trying to get their RT license, it's luck which has not played it's part there.
You can sit for the RT everytime for 10 years without having any absolute idea and not pass even once? C'mon if it was luck im sure he/she would pass atleast once in 10 freakin' years! It's not all about luck, its about hard work and knowing what to do as well. Saying that it is luck will only see to that the new aspirants who read this thread, do not work hard and only keep their fingers crossed while the exams are going on, out of hope that luck falls into their path!
I cannot agree more with alouette3, though the guy has given his exams a whole decade back, I'm sure things were any different then, under the context of bribery and what not. Though the syllabus has changed it must have been equally tough back then.
I hope everyone over here who is giving their RT exams the best of luck, I hope you guys get through this time. I know it can be a b*tch but please don't give into the bribery. Thank you & Good luck guys
It's not true that all the people who've got through with their RT have had only luck to play its part. I'm sure everyone has given their best efforts and worked hard for it. Saying that luck is the key factor is honestly silly!
But, then again, for those who have given several attempts in trying to get their RT license, it's luck which has not played it's part there.
You can sit for the RT everytime for 10 years without having any absolute idea and not pass even once? C'mon if it was luck im sure he/she would pass atleast once in 10 freakin' years! It's not all about luck, its about hard work and knowing what to do as well. Saying that it is luck will only see to that the new aspirants who read this thread, do not work hard and only keep their fingers crossed while the exams are going on, out of hope that luck falls into their path!
I cannot agree more with alouette3, though the guy has given his exams a whole decade back, I'm sure things were any different then, under the context of bribery and what not. Though the syllabus has changed it must have been equally tough back then.
I hope everyone over here who is giving their RT exams the best of luck, I hope you guys get through this time. I know it can be a b*tch but please don't give into the bribery. Thank you & Good luck guys
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Cant one of the Airline Pilots Union in India do something about this ?
I am sure they have all gone through the RT exam atleast once by honest or crooked means .
I am sure they have all gone through the RT exam atleast once by honest or crooked means .
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Dear Mahesh
From your Letter I understood that you are a person with a Rubber Backbone and If you are cock sure that your brother is a real ace pilot who can do the RTR exam without the guidance of anybody, you should have done one thing, the time you felt guilty you should have advised your brother to surrender the RTR license and freshly to apply for both parts.
But you want to get your brother to a safe place and tell to everybody that you just became the rules ramanujan.
I am not worried about brother what he is ors so, but by your letter you are indirectly marketing for these guys who are not having such kind of treatment for the RTR exams. I have joined the same classes in hyderabad and this is the 7th time I am appearing for the Exam. One time even I had to give the Part I exam to the same guy who took my classes in Hyderabad and that time I was failed.there are quite no of people who came for the classes and not all of them are passes whoever performed good they passed.
I know for sure that these guys do not help in the RTR exams, but they charge little money more as they claim that the standards of Instruction are very high and no charges for the repeats.
After the Last two sessions I enquired thoroughly about the WPC and came to know the following facts.
In chennai the Classes are Handled by Mr JAYAKUMAR and Mr VIJAYABHASKAR who are also examiners who charge a figure near to six digit. They guarantee the success and its an all inclusive package.
In Delhi the classes are handled by Mr SHAMSHER ALI also an Examiner who is charging 1 lac to 1.5 lac all inclusive with the help of some officials who occupies a respectable position in the Delhi WPC. They are engineers and Assistant Wireless advisors may be.
In Bombay the Classes and all inclusive package is Conducted by Mr RAWAT who is also an examiner and they have their agents spread.
Then comes Mr M.K. Singh who is a exclusive agent for the RTR, I heard that in the last Hyderabad session Mr M.K. Singh had live class across the examination center when exams were going on.
One of my friend from Hyderabad who initially attended the RTR classes at hyderabad and was not successful and later he paid 1.5 lac to one of the Instructor from A.P. aviation academy.
I want to tell only one thing to WPC. If you are conducting the exam then give us some guidance through some Authorised Training centers or conduct a decent Exam with a decent syllabus.
From your Letter I understood that you are a person with a Rubber Backbone and If you are cock sure that your brother is a real ace pilot who can do the RTR exam without the guidance of anybody, you should have done one thing, the time you felt guilty you should have advised your brother to surrender the RTR license and freshly to apply for both parts.
But you want to get your brother to a safe place and tell to everybody that you just became the rules ramanujan.
I am not worried about brother what he is ors so, but by your letter you are indirectly marketing for these guys who are not having such kind of treatment for the RTR exams. I have joined the same classes in hyderabad and this is the 7th time I am appearing for the Exam. One time even I had to give the Part I exam to the same guy who took my classes in Hyderabad and that time I was failed.there are quite no of people who came for the classes and not all of them are passes whoever performed good they passed.
I know for sure that these guys do not help in the RTR exams, but they charge little money more as they claim that the standards of Instruction are very high and no charges for the repeats.
After the Last two sessions I enquired thoroughly about the WPC and came to know the following facts.
In chennai the Classes are Handled by Mr JAYAKUMAR and Mr VIJAYABHASKAR who are also examiners who charge a figure near to six digit. They guarantee the success and its an all inclusive package.
In Delhi the classes are handled by Mr SHAMSHER ALI also an Examiner who is charging 1 lac to 1.5 lac all inclusive with the help of some officials who occupies a respectable position in the Delhi WPC. They are engineers and Assistant Wireless advisors may be.
In Bombay the Classes and all inclusive package is Conducted by Mr RAWAT who is also an examiner and they have their agents spread.
Then comes Mr M.K. Singh who is a exclusive agent for the RTR, I heard that in the last Hyderabad session Mr M.K. Singh had live class across the examination center when exams were going on.
One of my friend from Hyderabad who initially attended the RTR classes at hyderabad and was not successful and later he paid 1.5 lac to one of the Instructor from A.P. aviation academy.
I want to tell only one thing to WPC. If you are conducting the exam then give us some guidance through some Authorised Training centers or conduct a decent Exam with a decent syllabus.
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this must be the most ridiculous question
bu tin really need super assistance here..
this is gonna be the 4th attempt
i go blank instead of studying hard
i just wanna know WHAT EXACTLY SHOULD I BE KNOWING AND WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THE TIME I GET ON THE SEAT TILL I CLEAR THE VIVA>>>
i wanna know what to read
i wanna have the latest maps
i wanna know what books do i prepare for transmission as well as for the viva....
pressure's killin n demotivating me
[email protected]
thnx..
plz help guys
happy landings
bu tin really need super assistance here..
this is gonna be the 4th attempt
i go blank instead of studying hard
i just wanna know WHAT EXACTLY SHOULD I BE KNOWING AND WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THE TIME I GET ON THE SEAT TILL I CLEAR THE VIVA>>>
i wanna know what to read
i wanna have the latest maps
i wanna know what books do i prepare for transmission as well as for the viva....
pressure's killin n demotivating me
[email protected]
thnx..
plz help guys
happy landings
