DGCA CPL Conversion Exams
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hey guys quick question:
I am applying for the computer number with 180 hours of flight time,i will be applying on the basis of a Canadian ppl for now, to be able to sit in the January session if lucky if not April for sure, now the CAR states the following:
'The last date of submission of application for each
session of a calendar year shall be as given on DGCA website. Incomplete /
incorrect Application Form shall be liable for rejection.'
1)so when is the last date for submission of documents for comp no.?
2)Now the computer number form doesn't state i need proof for ground training does that mean they take it for granted that because i have a private license i have covered the hours of ground training?
not really clear to me...
I am applying for the computer number with 180 hours of flight time,i will be applying on the basis of a Canadian ppl for now, to be able to sit in the January session if lucky if not April for sure, now the CAR states the following:
'The last date of submission of application for each
session of a calendar year shall be as given on DGCA website. Incomplete /
incorrect Application Form shall be liable for rejection.'
1)so when is the last date for submission of documents for comp no.?
2)Now the computer number form doesn't state i need proof for ground training does that mean they take it for granted that because i have a private license i have covered the hours of ground training?
not really clear to me...
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1. From what I know, you will have to go to DGCA RK Puram or give them a call to ask about the last date of application for the exams session, as the dates are not published on the website.
If you are applying for the Jan session you should apply for the computer no. now, if applying for the April session you can apply in Jan.
The last date for submission of application for the exams and the exams dates are normally published along with the exams results. The DGCA are strict about last date for exams application as many applicants have been rejected due to late submission.
2. You can easily get the computer no. with just an Indian spl., but you will need to submit proof of ground schooling in the annexure when applying for the exams
1. From what I know, you will have to go to DGCA RK Puram or give them a call to ask about the last date of application for the exams session, as the dates are not published on the website.
If you are applying for the Jan session you should apply for the computer no. now, if applying for the April session you can apply in Jan.
The last date for submission of application for the exams and the exams dates are normally published along with the exams results. The DGCA are strict about last date for exams application as many applicants have been rejected due to late submission.
2. You can easily get the computer no. with just an Indian spl., but you will need to submit proof of ground schooling in the annexure when applying for the exams
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so if i apply right now, the computer no. is valid for both the jan and april sessions?
And the computer no. form says nothing regarding proof of ground training, if you could send me a sample format of the statement that i need to get signed at the flying club, and how many hours of ground study do i need?
I believe this would apply to me:
"An applicant shall be permitted to appear in all papers of CPL provided he
has acquired a minimum of 25 hours of flying training experience which may
include a maximum of 5 hours of simulator training and completed 350 hours of
ground training as specified in CAR Section 7 Series ‘D’ Part I."
and not this one
"Have completed 100 hours of ground training covering all the subjects of
CPL in an approved flying training institute for which the Chief Ground
Instructor shall issue a certificate to this effect; and
The applicant shall be permitted to appear in Aviation Meteorology and Air
Regulation papers and thereafter on being successful in these exams and on
completion of a minimum of 15 hours of flying training which may include a
maximum of 5 hours of simulator training, the applicant shall be permitted to
appear in other subjects of CPL i.e. Air Navigation, Technical General and
Technical Specific on the aircraft type;"
so if i apply right now, the computer no. is valid for both the jan and april sessions?
And the computer no. form says nothing regarding proof of ground training, if you could send me a sample format of the statement that i need to get signed at the flying club, and how many hours of ground study do i need?
I believe this would apply to me:
"An applicant shall be permitted to appear in all papers of CPL provided he
has acquired a minimum of 25 hours of flying training experience which may
include a maximum of 5 hours of simulator training and completed 350 hours of
ground training as specified in CAR Section 7 Series ‘D’ Part I."
and not this one
"Have completed 100 hours of ground training covering all the subjects of
CPL in an approved flying training institute for which the Chief Ground
Instructor shall issue a certificate to this effect; and
The applicant shall be permitted to appear in Aviation Meteorology and Air
Regulation papers and thereafter on being successful in these exams and on
completion of a minimum of 15 hours of flying training which may include a
maximum of 5 hours of simulator training, the applicant shall be permitted to
appear in other subjects of CPL i.e. Air Navigation, Technical General and
Technical Specific on the aircraft type;"
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Computer no. is only issued once so you can use it for any of the sessions, and the same no. is used for your atpl exams and any other technical exams that you might sit for in the future.
No separate statement for ground school is needed for application of the computer no., your canadian PPL and all the documents asked for in the application should suffice. You don't need to give your spl no. as you already have got a PPL. When I applied I gave only the documents that were required in the application form, no extras.
http://dgca.nic.in/forms/Pilot/compno_pilot.pdf
http://dgca.nic.in/forms/Pilot/pilotexam.pdf
I did the CPLCG exams and only needed the annexure1 signed by the CFI as regards to ground school, no additional statement for ground school is needed for that either. I don't know what the new rules are regarding eligibility for the exams, as they keep changing, but getting the computer no. with a foreign ppl should be easy.
No separate statement for ground school is needed for application of the computer no., your canadian PPL and all the documents asked for in the application should suffice. You don't need to give your spl no. as you already have got a PPL. When I applied I gave only the documents that were required in the application form, no extras.
http://dgca.nic.in/forms/Pilot/compno_pilot.pdf
http://dgca.nic.in/forms/Pilot/pilotexam.pdf
I did the CPLCG exams and only needed the annexure1 signed by the CFI as regards to ground school, no additional statement for ground school is needed for that either. I don't know what the new rules are regarding eligibility for the exams, as they keep changing, but getting the computer no. with a foreign ppl should be easy.
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hi guys,
just started reading keith williams 1000 questions for NAV for my exams. Noticed some errors on certain questions covering convergency.
example:
Plane flies a great circle track from point A (N65W20) to point B (N65W30). what is the track read out at point B
keiths answer (275 degrees)
my answer (265 degrees)
anyone else seen similar errors ?
thanks for you time
WF
just started reading keith williams 1000 questions for NAV for my exams. Noticed some errors on certain questions covering convergency.
example:
Plane flies a great circle track from point A (N65W20) to point B (N65W30). what is the track read out at point B
keiths answer (275 degrees)
my answer (265 degrees)
anyone else seen similar errors ?
thanks for you time
WF
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Hello Wingflex,
Thank you for your feedback on my 1000 Questions Answers & Explanations for General Navigation book.
I have checked through all of the questions in the "CIRCLES" chapter, but I cannot find the question to which you refer. Question 86 is very similar, but the latitude is 65 South. This causes the correct answer to be 275 as stated in the explanation for that question.
In carrying out the recheck of the CIRCLES chapter I have found the following errors:
Question 51: There is a typing error in the explanation which states that the change of longitude is 120W. It should be 120E. But the answer is correct.
Question 70: The corrcet answer for the question is 232.41 degrees. But this is not an option. This problem has been caused by a typing error. It can be corrected by changing longitudes 50W to 50E and changing 30E to 30W.
Question 87: The answer is given as "decrease by 9 degrees." It should be "increase by 9 degrees."
Question 111: The explanation states that the change in longitude is 120W. It should read 120E. But the answer is correct.
These errors will be corrected in the next update of the book, before any new stock is printed.
If you believe that you have detected errors in any of my books or computer programs, please let me know and I will recheck them, and inform you of the results.
Thank you for your feedback on my 1000 Questions Answers & Explanations for General Navigation book.
I have checked through all of the questions in the "CIRCLES" chapter, but I cannot find the question to which you refer. Question 86 is very similar, but the latitude is 65 South. This causes the correct answer to be 275 as stated in the explanation for that question.
In carrying out the recheck of the CIRCLES chapter I have found the following errors:
Question 51: There is a typing error in the explanation which states that the change of longitude is 120W. It should be 120E. But the answer is correct.
Question 70: The corrcet answer for the question is 232.41 degrees. But this is not an option. This problem has been caused by a typing error. It can be corrected by changing longitudes 50W to 50E and changing 30E to 30W.
Question 87: The answer is given as "decrease by 9 degrees." It should be "increase by 9 degrees."
Question 111: The explanation states that the change in longitude is 120W. It should read 120E. But the answer is correct.
These errors will be corrected in the next update of the book, before any new stock is printed.
If you believe that you have detected errors in any of my books or computer programs, please let me know and I will recheck them, and inform you of the results.
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Dear Keith,
thanks for your prompt reply. I was actually referring to Question 81. I have now figured out the correct answer, as explained by you too. The print in my book is a bit faded so i was calculating the wrong angle. And thank you for clarifying other answers too !
best regards,
WF
thanks for your prompt reply. I was actually referring to Question 81. I have now figured out the correct answer, as explained by you too. The print in my book is a bit faded so i was calculating the wrong angle. And thank you for clarifying other answers too !
best regards,
WF
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@wingflex : trust me , keith williams is the real deal . i still remember i got like 10 questions from the book in the dgca july 2010 session . some questions had the same figures and i just blindly selected the answers as i knew them in and out . my friend who made his 4th attempt last time passed it after i gave him the keith williams book . he still thanks me for that
lol.. Anyways dont waste ur time on the CP/PNR multi-legs with changing winds sums , as they are phased out of the DGCA syllabus . Relative motion questions were not asked in the last 4 attempts aswell . But then again go thru it ,as DGCA is known for its violent Mood Swing . If u have any doubt regarding cracking the nav, Regs and composite paper ,feel free to PM me.. cheers.. gud luck !!!
lol.. Anyways dont waste ur time on the CP/PNR multi-legs with changing winds sums , as they are phased out of the DGCA syllabus . Relative motion questions were not asked in the last 4 attempts aswell . But then again go thru it ,as DGCA is known for its violent Mood Swing . If u have any doubt regarding cracking the nav, Regs and composite paper ,feel free to PM me.. cheers.. gud luck !!!
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The DGCA does have mood swings every session....and they usually don't repeat the same pattern inorder to catch us unawares! ... That's why the pass percentage sucks!
Guys some changes in the exams eligibility criteria....With the "cut and paste texts" problems that the DGCA guys have, I am not sure if the changes are for real. But it does look like they may have taken out the criteria for ground school before taking the exams, because I don't see it mentioned! ?? No flying hours either in the case of cpl (not cplcg). That's a big change if it is true...
http://www.dgca.nic.in/cars/D7B-B1.pdf
7. Requirements for appearing in various Flight Crew License Examinations:
An applicant who is desirous of appearing in Flight Crew License Examinations for issue of a category of license should meet the following requirements.
7.1 SPL/ FRTOL-R/ GPL
The applicant should have passed a minimum 10th standard or its equivalent examination from a recognized board.
7.2 Private Pilot Licence (PPL):
The applicant should have
1. A Computer Number allotted by CEO, DGCA
2. Passed Class Ten or equivalent examination from a recognized board.
7.3 Commercial Pilot License (CPL)
The applicant should have
1. A Computer Number allotted by CEO, DGCA
2. Passed Class 10+2 standard examination with Physics & Mathematics as subjects from a recognized Board/ University or its equivalent examination
7.4 ATPL (Airline Transport Pilot License):
The applicant should have Indian Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL) with multi-engine endorsement or a minimum of 500 hours of flying experience of which
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at least 200 hours should be as Pilot-in-Command in case of Defence Personnel.
7.5 Conversion of Pilots License issued by Foreign Authorities
The applicant should have:
(a) Computer Number issued by CEO, DGCA.
(b) Passed 10+2 standard examination with Physics and Mathematics subjects from a recognized Board/ University or its equivalent examination.
(c) Pilot License issued by ICAO Contracting State for the respective category for which application is made.
Guys some changes in the exams eligibility criteria....With the "cut and paste texts" problems that the DGCA guys have, I am not sure if the changes are for real. But it does look like they may have taken out the criteria for ground school before taking the exams, because I don't see it mentioned! ?? No flying hours either in the case of cpl (not cplcg). That's a big change if it is true...
http://www.dgca.nic.in/cars/D7B-B1.pdf
7. Requirements for appearing in various Flight Crew License Examinations:
An applicant who is desirous of appearing in Flight Crew License Examinations for issue of a category of license should meet the following requirements.
7.1 SPL/ FRTOL-R/ GPL
The applicant should have passed a minimum 10th standard or its equivalent examination from a recognized board.
7.2 Private Pilot Licence (PPL):
The applicant should have
1. A Computer Number allotted by CEO, DGCA
2. Passed Class Ten or equivalent examination from a recognized board.
7.3 Commercial Pilot License (CPL)
The applicant should have
1. A Computer Number allotted by CEO, DGCA
2. Passed Class 10+2 standard examination with Physics & Mathematics as subjects from a recognized Board/ University or its equivalent examination
7.4 ATPL (Airline Transport Pilot License):
The applicant should have Indian Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL) with multi-engine endorsement or a minimum of 500 hours of flying experience of which
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at least 200 hours should be as Pilot-in-Command in case of Defence Personnel.
7.5 Conversion of Pilots License issued by Foreign Authorities
The applicant should have:
(a) Computer Number issued by CEO, DGCA.
(b) Passed 10+2 standard examination with Physics and Mathematics subjects from a recognized Board/ University or its equivalent examination.
(c) Pilot License issued by ICAO Contracting State for the respective category for which application is made.
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prii....in the special session for july session, there was a question in relative motion, so if for a few session if it's not been in the exams does not mean it is phased out including cp and pnr! The dgca has revised the syllabus by adding rather than phasing out topics. For example, there were many human factor questions in the July Air Regulations normal attempt.
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@pri : few of my friends have been trying to clear the nav for quite some time and gettin feedbacks from these guys , im certain cp/pnr multi-leg is not there in the syllabus anymore . i got 1 question from INS/IRS and i had no idea about it . The big headache is that sometimes u get easy questions but the answers in the options will be wrong , which will make u think about going on a DGCA Genocide ! All u can do is fill out the objection sheet which i think goes for sucking oil from the Samosa
. The best bet is to study the Keith Williams 1000 questions book and i assure u , u'll get minimum 5 to 7 questions from the book . And if u have enough time please go thru the JAA/Casa ATPL ( Magnetism , gyro , asi/vsi/alti ) questions and u'll come out in flying colours !
@sunnyjet : so true... human factors is the new topic to air regs and besides the april 2010 attempt was an absolute disaster . i got a question asking what is the colour of the AIC if it indiactes an state of urgency ? options: Pink, Purple ,Blue ,White ... lol.. WTF ????
. The best bet is to study the Keith Williams 1000 questions book and i assure u , u'll get minimum 5 to 7 questions from the book . And if u have enough time please go thru the JAA/Casa ATPL ( Magnetism , gyro , asi/vsi/alti ) questions and u'll come out in flying colours ! @sunnyjet : so true... human factors is the new topic to air regs and besides the april 2010 attempt was an absolute disaster . i got a question asking what is the colour of the AIC if it indiactes an state of urgency ? options: Pink, Purple ,Blue ,White ... lol.. WTF ????
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JAA oxford series or GSP are good too, and try get all the latest notes from instructors if you don't plan to take a class
@Josh I don't think the dgca circulars have any special colours, they are too cheap to use colour coded papers! And you are right about the easy questions with no options sometimes
@Josh I don't think the dgca circulars have any special colours, they are too cheap to use colour coded papers! And you are right about the easy questions with no options sometimes
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Here is my little story. Attempted the exams first time in July .... almost zero prep time due to busy work doing CFI work in the US. I studied primarily for clearing air regs (I used Bali and read the DGCA website for updated rules and regs). Got through air regs (78%). For nav I was not planning to even attempt it but decided to go for it 4 days before the exam. Studied some notes from my friends who attended classes and very little of GSP's. Got 65% which is not bad considering I put in just 4 days of work. Disappointed but now I have a good idea of what to expect in this atttempt in Npv. The moral is guys , these exams should be easy to clear if you study the fundamentals and put in effort. Sure they are no FAA cakewalk exams but they are not impossible.
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Dgca Jan 2011
Any idea when is the next dgca cpl exams going to be conducted and also which books to refer,heard that in the previous attempt the questions where mainly asked from JAA ATPL.Thanks in advance
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regarding notes
captWUFF : M HALF WAY THROUHGH MY COMMERCIAL IN HELICOPTERS.
WANT TO STUDY FOR MY COMPOSITE CONVERSION EXAM.. I NEED GUIDANCE FOR NOTES AND STUFF.. COULD YOU ASSIST??
FROM WHERE DO I PREPARE FOR MET . REG AND NAV.
AND U SAID U HAVE SOME NOTES TOO..
WANT TO STUDY FOR MY COMPOSITE CONVERSION EXAM.. I NEED GUIDANCE FOR NOTES AND STUFF.. COULD YOU ASSIST??
FROM WHERE DO I PREPARE FOR MET . REG AND NAV.
AND U SAID U HAVE SOME NOTES TOO..