Kingfisher sinking like the Titanic
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My forecast...
Post election few things will happen in Aviation in India
1. Pilots retirment age reduce to 58 in IC/AI and 60 is per car.
2. New FDTL circular with the optimum of both circulars
3. 6 months notice reqt waived off
4. FATA and Foreign nationals (even on Indian Licence) to go
All of above to make rooms for children cpl/ppl of VIPs waiting for a job.
Target 5000 jobs in 2 years.
Just a prediction....
And in Government will help AI/IC, it has to help the private players as well.
Post election few things will happen in Aviation in India
1. Pilots retirment age reduce to 58 in IC/AI and 60 is per car.
2. New FDTL circular with the optimum of both circulars
3. 6 months notice reqt waived off
4. FATA and Foreign nationals (even on Indian Licence) to go
All of above to make rooms for children cpl/ppl of VIPs waiting for a job.
Target 5000 jobs in 2 years.
Just a prediction....
And in Government will help AI/IC, it has to help the private players as well.
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Figureof8, how in the world would Config 3 have any baring on this accident especially on a 4000m runway. The fact of the matter is Airbus recommends Config 3 landings with strong and gusty winds. The probable cause of this incident is improper crosswind landing technique. Landing off center line, crabs not taken out on flare, and wet runway are precursors of runway excursions. With monsoon coming, improper techniques will mean several other similar incidents.
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Post election few things will happen in Aviation in India
1. Pilots retirment age reduce to 58 in IC/AI and 60 is per car.
2. New FDTL circular with the optimum of both circulars
3. 6 months notice reqt waived off
4. FATA and Foreign nationals (even on Indian Licence) to go
All of above to make rooms for children cpl/ppl of VIPs waiting for a job.
Target 5000 jobs in 2 years.
1. Pilots retirment age reduce to 58 in IC/AI and 60 is per car.
2. New FDTL circular with the optimum of both circulars
3. 6 months notice reqt waived off
4. FATA and Foreign nationals (even on Indian Licence) to go
All of above to make rooms for children cpl/ppl of VIPs waiting for a job.
Target 5000 jobs in 2 years.
5000 more go job hunting & VIP kids go for toy planes.
to make room for 5000 VIPs on right seat government will have to see 5000 left seats occupied.
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Pardon my question. I have read through the many posts in this thread and I have a question about Kingfisher relative to all of the other locos in India. Understanding that no Indian airline pays that great, where would Kingfisher rank in terms of total package for the "average" Captain or FO? Is it the best package relative to other Indian locos? Is it the worst package? If not, which are the best and which are the worst of the various Indian airlines out there?
I had read that Jet Airways and Spicejet packages were considered pretty good (although not confirmed!) but I wondered about Kingfisher.
Cheers
P.S. Just curious as I am not interested in moving to India.
I had read that Jet Airways and Spicejet packages were considered pretty good (although not confirmed!) but I wondered about Kingfisher.
Cheers
P.S. Just curious as I am not interested in moving to India.
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even i heard of this course thru my friends yesterday.. costs 60000 indian rupees
it seems they teach alot.. somewhere in bombay..
question is who the hell would go that far for that course?
it seems they teach alot.. somewhere in bombay..
question is who the hell would go that far for that course?
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Rs 8-10 cr: Kingfisher Airlines' unpaid dues to hotels
Published on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 18:51 , Updated at Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 22:25
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Kingfisher Airlines has defaulted on payments to many three- and four-star hotels. Hotel industry sources say Kingfisher Airlines owes Rs 8-10 crore to the hotel sector. Hotels, which cater to Kingfisher Airlines in Mumbai are Royal Orchid Hotels, Pride Hotels, Sahara Star and Airport International Hotel.
Here is a verbatim transcript of Neha Pandey’s comments on CNBC-TV18. Also watch the accompanying video.
Kingfisher Airlines has defaulted on payments to many three- and four-star hotels. Hotel industry sources tell us that Kingfisher Airlines alone owes Rs 8-10 crore to the hotel sector. Hotels which cater to Kingfisher Airlines in Mumbai are Royal Orchid Hotels, Pride Hotels, Sahara Star and Airport International Hotel. Well-placed sources at Royal Orchid hotel and Pride Hotel told us that Kingfisher Airlines owes Rs 4.5 crore to Royal Orchid and Rs 1.5 crore to Pride Hotels.
Just a month back, Mumbai-based hotel Water Stones, which is a part of the Gordon House chain, terminated its contract with both Jet Airways and Kingfisher Airlines due to payment issues. Sources say that airlines are allowed a 30-day credit period to pay back hotels but Kingfisher Airlines now wants this credit period to be extended to eight months.
Room rates that are offered by these hotels are around Rs 6,000-7,000 while airlines already get a discount of nearly Rs 2,000. But now Kingfisher Airlines wants a further discount on the accumulated amount.
KF also bounced a 77Crore Cheque to Airport Authority of India according to the Economic Times Today.
Published on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 18:51 , Updated at Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 22:25
Watch Video Kingfisher Airlines has defaulted on payments to many three- and four-star hotels. Hotel industry sources say Kingfisher Airlines owes Rs 8-10 crore to the hotel sector. Hotels, which cater to Kingfisher Airlines in Mumbai are Royal Orchid Hotels, Pride Hotels, Sahara Star and Airport International Hotel.Here is a verbatim transcript of Neha Pandey’s comments on CNBC-TV18. Also watch the accompanying video.
Kingfisher Airlines has defaulted on payments to many three- and four-star hotels. Hotel industry sources tell us that Kingfisher Airlines alone owes Rs 8-10 crore to the hotel sector. Hotels which cater to Kingfisher Airlines in Mumbai are Royal Orchid Hotels, Pride Hotels, Sahara Star and Airport International Hotel. Well-placed sources at Royal Orchid hotel and Pride Hotel told us that Kingfisher Airlines owes Rs 4.5 crore to Royal Orchid and Rs 1.5 crore to Pride Hotels.
Just a month back, Mumbai-based hotel Water Stones, which is a part of the Gordon House chain, terminated its contract with both Jet Airways and Kingfisher Airlines due to payment issues. Sources say that airlines are allowed a 30-day credit period to pay back hotels but Kingfisher Airlines now wants this credit period to be extended to eight months.
Room rates that are offered by these hotels are around Rs 6,000-7,000 while airlines already get a discount of nearly Rs 2,000. But now Kingfisher Airlines wants a further discount on the accumulated amount.
KF also bounced a 77Crore Cheque to Airport Authority of India according to the Economic Times Today.
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It is interesting to note how some of these corporations hold their individual employees to a higher standard than they would ever be able to themselves. They expect employees to follow rules, give 6 months notice, etc etc, while they are blatantly late with payments, violate their own terms etc. I am surprised that KF is still operating with so many claims against them. Unless someone bails themout they can't possibly be around by the end of the year, but then again, this is India. Mallya will have to call in the "heavies" to bail him out of the mess he created by virtue of ego and false expectations.
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Pardon my ignorance. I am just wondering ..
It is industry practice, for any industry, to stretch the payments, and even in Law-abiding Singapore, though terms say 30 days, nobody pays in 30 days, with excuses such as "missed the payment cycle" or "re-invoice" or "large payments need CEO / GM approval, and he is out of the country .. "
And any financial controller worth his salt will always make sure payments are stretched as much as possible, especially when it comes to external vendors.
If IT is that bad, how come they haven't lowered their flag ?
As much as I understand, another airline sinking = enough people jobless and sufferings .. not some vile satisfaction.
Is there really that much fire in IT, for so much smoke ??
In my observation, as somebody not in Aviation in India, I have seen IT grow leaps and bounds, and manages to run such a stellar service, considering all the complication of even driving in Mother India, and havent heard any customer complaining of anything.
Pardon me again, just trying to figure out what's cooking, in these tough times, hoping the last thing anybody need is a pink slip.
It the above is un-warranted, please help me to remove it.
Cheers, safe flying, and happy skies for the professionals, who earn a living in Heavensly skies.
It is industry practice, for any industry, to stretch the payments, and even in Law-abiding Singapore, though terms say 30 days, nobody pays in 30 days, with excuses such as "missed the payment cycle" or "re-invoice" or "large payments need CEO / GM approval, and he is out of the country .. "
And any financial controller worth his salt will always make sure payments are stretched as much as possible, especially when it comes to external vendors.
If IT is that bad, how come they haven't lowered their flag ?
As much as I understand, another airline sinking = enough people jobless and sufferings .. not some vile satisfaction.
Is there really that much fire in IT, for so much smoke ??
In my observation, as somebody not in Aviation in India, I have seen IT grow leaps and bounds, and manages to run such a stellar service, considering all the complication of even driving in Mother India, and havent heard any customer complaining of anything.
Pardon me again, just trying to figure out what's cooking, in these tough times, hoping the last thing anybody need is a pink slip.
It the above is un-warranted, please help me to remove it.
Cheers, safe flying, and happy skies for the professionals, who earn a living in Heavensly skies.
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why only 7-11s you forgot that Indian community is the most prosperous immigrant community in U.S.maybe only second to Jewish community.And what are u complainin about,U.S.carriers never hire any foreigners,unless they are green card holders or have the U.S.citizenship.
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Kingfisher sinking......
"Kingfisher sinking'......' is the post so if I may go back to that it is evident the Airline launched not long ago (three and a half years?) and much advertised even more recently on their long haul USA plans etc........the hype is over, 5 Star was always a myth and "Brace, Brace.......as to be expected only when its about to hit the ground. Many of my colleagues left their permanent jobs and joined this outfit when they were enticed with higher salaries, 6 ON/2 OFF patterns and found out what it really was like to work in India and KF in particular. They left the setup earlier than expected and the rest were retrenched within ONE year of joining. They were left high and dry by the so called management there. Let no one make a fairy tale of working in a country that is full of corruption and lacks the many ingredients required to make flying safe there. Some of you may want to rush to the rescue, be my guest but I too have been flying in/out of India for the past ten years. The many horror stories I hear from those who had returned from this outfit is scary and the place best avoided for life. KF had proved to be an unpleasant and unreliable place to work in. To their credit, it appears that the salaries had been paid almost on time - though the cabin crew had NOT been paid salaries for sometime but are scared not to come for work thinking that they would be sent home. There's said to be much infighting, politics and robbing VM at all levels. That's what I have heard any comments from the victims?
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wet, x-wind operations
The only control that will keep the a/c straight in a x-wind, especially on a wet runway is the rudder. Forget about nose wheel steering, until very late in the proceedings.
Reverse idle? Forget it. Qantas tried that (reinventing the wheel) and came to grief.
If you want the stopping power, engage full reverse ASAP, or instruct the a/c computers to do so. Anything less will increase the chances of an overrun. Yes I am aware the reverse is not factored in the landing calculations, however we need these things on our side, especially if we are not in the "slot" and begin "burning up concrete" at an alarming rate.
Learn from the mistakes of others. Failure to do so will result in increased costs, not reduced costs.
Reverse idle? Forget it. Qantas tried that (reinventing the wheel) and came to grief.
If you want the stopping power, engage full reverse ASAP, or instruct the a/c computers to do so. Anything less will increase the chances of an overrun. Yes I am aware the reverse is not factored in the landing calculations, however we need these things on our side, especially if we are not in the "slot" and begin "burning up concrete" at an alarming rate.
Learn from the mistakes of others. Failure to do so will result in increased costs, not reduced costs.
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Well said 'moderate'.
That just about sums up KFA. I had the misfortune to work for them for a few months until they laid of most of the ex-pats.
From my time there I was NOT impressed with anything I saw and experienced there on the local side. Having said that, I did work with an extremely professional group of guys who were shafted well and truly with not a single word of apology. A great loss to KFA, but it serves them right! Fortunately for me a much better job came along and I am now very content in my new position, but I feel very sorry for those who are still looking. I am sure it won't be too long. There are still jobs out there! Good luck chaps, you deserve it.
As for KFA management, and the playboy kid (who clearly hasn't a clue how the idiots are running the asylum) - you'll get your just reward, of that I am certain!
Just so sad for all the hard working guys and girls who will be adversly affected.
That just about sums up KFA. I had the misfortune to work for them for a few months until they laid of most of the ex-pats.
From my time there I was NOT impressed with anything I saw and experienced there on the local side. Having said that, I did work with an extremely professional group of guys who were shafted well and truly with not a single word of apology. A great loss to KFA, but it serves them right! Fortunately for me a much better job came along and I am now very content in my new position, but I feel very sorry for those who are still looking. I am sure it won't be too long. There are still jobs out there! Good luck chaps, you deserve it.
As for KFA management, and the playboy kid (who clearly hasn't a clue how the idiots are running the asylum) - you'll get your just reward, of that I am certain!
Just so sad for all the hard working guys and girls who will be adversly affected.
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Why to blame INDIA or KINGFISHER ONLY
Kingfisher gave highest salary on the planet.
Kingfisher gave free hotel accommodation.
Kingfisher gave free laundry service.
Kingfisher gave free meals more than 3 times a day.
Kingfisher gave free internet in the hotel.
Kingfisher gave full salary on time to expats only.
Kingfisher gave full salary without work/flying.
Kingfisher has best FA educated smart/beautiful and well trained.
Only kingfisher gave, no other airline gives on this planet.
This doesn’t sound horror story.
expats got full salary where as others salaries got slashed via email.
(read DGCA 6 months notice waived off for Indian pilots because salary cuts via email)
All airlines here have cut down orders,diliveries,flights, and international sectors due to the recession.
Kingfisher postponed US flights because of USA economy and recession.
Now swine flu in USA can affect the aviation in India.
Why to blame India for opening up the jobs, jobs are because of global situation.
Jobs are affected for all, not only expats.
Yes big mess up @ kingfisher management.
To pay such huge salaries without utilization for year…… (which company gives?)
it was still possible(salary but no work) if global situation had not gone to this level, this recession is known as biggest in 100 years.
And still airlines in India are managing to survive some how where as many airlines on this planet are already forgotten.
Kingfisher will start USA January 2011, sub …… load.
Kingfisher gave free hotel accommodation.
Kingfisher gave free laundry service.
Kingfisher gave free meals more than 3 times a day.
Kingfisher gave free internet in the hotel.
Kingfisher gave full salary on time to expats only.
Kingfisher gave full salary without work/flying.
Kingfisher has best FA educated smart/beautiful and well trained.
Only kingfisher gave, no other airline gives on this planet.
This doesn’t sound horror story.
expats got full salary where as others salaries got slashed via email.
(read DGCA 6 months notice waived off for Indian pilots because salary cuts via email)
All airlines here have cut down orders,diliveries,flights, and international sectors due to the recession.
Kingfisher postponed US flights because of USA economy and recession.
Now swine flu in USA can affect the aviation in India.
Why to blame India for opening up the jobs, jobs are because of global situation.
Jobs are affected for all, not only expats.
Yes big mess up @ kingfisher management.
To pay such huge salaries without utilization for year…… (which company gives?)
it was still possible(salary but no work) if global situation had not gone to this level, this recession is known as biggest in 100 years.
And still airlines in India are managing to survive some how where as many airlines on this planet are already forgotten.
Kingfisher will start USA January 2011, sub …… load.
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TOTAL B.S...
get a life !!! what about the operational part
when you receive a roster at 2300 for a flight at 0500
not one dispatcher got a licence
maintenance doesn't have a spare bulb for the ccas
the transport companie change every week for non payment as well as hotel and now training
and so and so........
get a life !!! what about the operational part
when you receive a roster at 2300 for a flight at 0500
not one dispatcher got a licence
maintenance doesn't have a spare bulb for the ccas
the transport companie change every week for non payment as well as hotel and now training
and so and so........
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Sheikyerbooty
New FAA mandate all Indians running 7-11s in the USA must be out by 2010
New FAA mandate all Indians running 7-11s in the USA must be out by 2010
I think FAA runs GA in USA.
Since when FAA changed ……..?
May be FAA is creating jobs for the returning tax paying citizens.
Instead of creating jobs @ NASA they are looking to doom 7-11s now.
7-11s was a good profit making chain which you want to run now.
USAs automobile,realestate,banking,aviation doomed some time back.
Your government needs more professionals to run businesses.
Indian banking system, real estate, automobile, aviation is still running but affected by global recession.