Unpredictable DGCA
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How many pilots are going to be affected ?. Are the valuable and experienced expat pilots going to be affected?. Any other grapewine info would be appreciated. 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/2823867.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/2823867.cms
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Is very dificult that you can find more stupid people in this world than the indian autorities, especially in the DGCA. Only God knows how many millions a month this collection of racing horses cost to the private airlines in India that are strugling to muve ahead and compete with the foreing giants. With the current demand for pilots world wide they are only hurting their own industry.
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Corrupt DGCA
It appears to me, that this is just another ploy by the corrupt DGCA to get their palms greased. A few Rupee's will change hands on an individual basis and the matter will then be overlooked.
The sooner that ICAO and the rest of the Aviation World realizes that the Indian Government, and the DGCA are doing nothing short of raping everyone the better. Perhaps, the US, UK and Canada should come up with some rules making it extremely difficult for Indian Licensed Pilots to fly into those countries. Then and only then will this Third World Country, with their highly uwarranted superior attitude towards the rest of the world, start to change the way that they do business.
It was reported a couple of days ago in the US, that up to as high as 1/3 of the Student Pilots in the US (a large majority from India) at the moment are here without TSA approval. Hence they are here illegally. So how about the US Government fines each one of them some outrageous amount, sends them packing home and forbids any refund of monies paid for training up to the point they are exported?
Makes about as much sense as what the DGCA has proposed doesn't it? Great way to improve relations across International Lines!!
The sooner that ICAO and the rest of the Aviation World realizes that the Indian Government, and the DGCA are doing nothing short of raping everyone the better. Perhaps, the US, UK and Canada should come up with some rules making it extremely difficult for Indian Licensed Pilots to fly into those countries. Then and only then will this Third World Country, with their highly uwarranted superior attitude towards the rest of the world, start to change the way that they do business.
It was reported a couple of days ago in the US, that up to as high as 1/3 of the Student Pilots in the US (a large majority from India) at the moment are here without TSA approval. Hence they are here illegally. So how about the US Government fines each one of them some outrageous amount, sends them packing home and forbids any refund of monies paid for training up to the point they are exported?
Makes about as much sense as what the DGCA has proposed doesn't it? Great way to improve relations across International Lines!!
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And the worst part is that the pilots who've held the approvals before were not given any grand father rights. Just like that one fine day your license is no longer valid although you have been flying on the same license for years and years.
I don't understand how would flight training in UK or any other country and than getting their RT licence is valid but god forbid if you train in the USA and got yourself an UK RT licence. Even though the UK CAA allows JAA flight training in the USA and the RT practical test to be carried out in the USA as well.
This country will never change. Sometime I feel that in India I am surrounded with incompetence.
DGCA is allowing people with FAA CPL to fly in India on FATA (they never even considered converting the FCC licence) but they will not allow a person who holds a commonwealth RT licence to operate in India.
Good luck to all the Certificate of Proficiency holders, I guess I am one of the lucky few who bothered to do the Indian RT which was issued to me after asking me useless questions in the viva and where a friend of mine was failed because his dad was an airline pilot and the second question they asked him was "do you think it is easy to become a pilot?" of course the first one was "What does your dad do?"
arghhh just venting, i promise i will be okay
I don't understand how would flight training in UK or any other country and than getting their RT licence is valid but god forbid if you train in the USA and got yourself an UK RT licence. Even though the UK CAA allows JAA flight training in the USA and the RT practical test to be carried out in the USA as well.
This country will never change. Sometime I feel that in India I am surrounded with incompetence.
DGCA is allowing people with FAA CPL to fly in India on FATA (they never even considered converting the FCC licence) but they will not allow a person who holds a commonwealth RT licence to operate in India.
Good luck to all the Certificate of Proficiency holders, I guess I am one of the lucky few who bothered to do the Indian RT which was issued to me after asking me useless questions in the viva and where a friend of mine was failed because his dad was an airline pilot and the second question they asked him was "do you think it is easy to become a pilot?" of course the first one was "What does your dad do?"
arghhh just venting, i promise i will be okay
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Does the new rule affect expat pilots that are currently flying, or expats that a company hires in the following months/years?
Since the new rule came into effect February 7, what would be the status of an application that was sent in before that date, for a direct conversion from a UK RT license to the Indian one.
Any comments?
Since the new rule came into effect February 7, what would be the status of an application that was sent in before that date, for a direct conversion from a UK RT license to the Indian one.
Any comments?
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it is pridictable DGCA
LOOKING at the DGCA rules its all about indian CPL/ATP etc
nothing much on other country licences
that may be the reason DGCA tends to fall in the rules and regulation folds of the book.
nothing much on other country licences
that may be the reason DGCA tends to fall in the rules and regulation folds of the book.
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looking at your threads it looks that countries you have masioned are going to loose the bussiness they are getting from india.
all these countries are looking to sell there aeroplanes /FIGHTER JETS to indian airforce,
looking to sign nuclear deal with india.
and also increase more bussiness relations with india.
if some body gives you magic stick i dont knw what will happen?
if one airline closes in india in next two years all your bright ideas will go waiste.
it looks as if you are living in india and not happy with the way things move india.
best thing is in ROME do as the ROMANS do.
THAT IS WHAT PROBABLY DGCA IS TRYING TO DO
all these countries are looking to sell there aeroplanes /FIGHTER JETS to indian airforce,
looking to sign nuclear deal with india.
and also increase more bussiness relations with india.
if some body gives you magic stick i dont knw what will happen?
if one airline closes in india in next two years all your bright ideas will go waiste.
it looks as if you are living in india and not happy with the way things move india.
best thing is in ROME do as the ROMANS do.
THAT IS WHAT PROBABLY DGCA IS TRYING TO DO
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OPERATION OF RADIO in india
This licence is granted by ministry of communication.
with this licence any body can use his personal radio transmitters/recievers
(HAM ) to operate R/T this is central govt rule,and it may be due to safety and security concerns of the country.
based on this licence aviation body issues another licence called flight radio operators licence.
with this licence any body can use his personal radio transmitters/recievers
(HAM ) to operate R/T this is central govt rule,and it may be due to safety and security concerns of the country.
based on this licence aviation body issues another licence called flight radio operators licence.
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re foreign pilots
no ,this ruling does not affect the foreign pilot as he/she flies on a validation which requires their origin country license and medical to be valid.
But it affects a lot of Indian pilots who have converted a foreign R/T license (UK,Canda etc etc) from the WPC,ministry of communications , sanchar bhavan without having a pilot's license of that country.it was far easier and less time consuming to stopover in the UK for a few days and get the UK R/T than try to pass the Indian R/T exam which has a transmission and viva .Pass rates are usually about less than 10% for the exam and are held 4 times a year.Peparation for this exam requires one to memorise the major trunk routes of India , workings of the Aeradio/AIP , technical knowledge in Radio navigation and secondary school physics . Coaching classes are available and usually a month's study can prepare one for it well.
I agree that those pilots currently flying should have been spared but then the Indian government agencies have their own ways....at least they dont have to appear for both the parts....
best of luck to all those affected .....masalama.
But it affects a lot of Indian pilots who have converted a foreign R/T license (UK,Canda etc etc) from the WPC,ministry of communications , sanchar bhavan without having a pilot's license of that country.it was far easier and less time consuming to stopover in the UK for a few days and get the UK R/T than try to pass the Indian R/T exam which has a transmission and viva .Pass rates are usually about less than 10% for the exam and are held 4 times a year.Peparation for this exam requires one to memorise the major trunk routes of India , workings of the Aeradio/AIP , technical knowledge in Radio navigation and secondary school physics . Coaching classes are available and usually a month's study can prepare one for it well.
I agree that those pilots currently flying should have been spared but then the Indian government agencies have their own ways....at least they dont have to appear for both the parts....
best of luck to all those affected .....masalama.
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Blame the System !!
I don't blame the Indian Pilots for the sins of the DGCA. Corruption victimises everyone, there are no winners in this game. Hopefully, the future generation of aviators in India will be bold and not succumb to the corruption loopholes.
Inventing regulations reflects the mindset of the system and not the folks affected by them.
Be professional and fly safe.
Inventing regulations reflects the mindset of the system and not the folks affected by them.
Be professional and fly safe.
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Indian DGCA.....LAW & DISORDER...!!!
The DGCA..........A LAW BY ITSELF........!!
These are people who have lost out in other walks of life and have used extremely corrupt means to rise in the corporate system and then become a law unto themselves....
Take for example the fact that you have to have a Dgca "interview" when you change from one indian carrier to another......or the fact that a Dgca "rep"( read Foi ) has to be present when you are being cleared for as an indian Tre/Tri/Sfi or Cp...!! Or the fact that AFTER getting 90%+ in an ATPL written exam,you STILL have to appear for a 'personal interview' with the Dgca FOI ( who makes sure he's 'not available' for months on end ) before passing his/her ATPL papers.ALL in he name of some currency exchanging palms between the Foi and the airline..( which has been amply corroborated by buddies of mine flying in the region ).
There were times in the indian aviation scenario when such 'babuism' would go unnoticed.But in today's media savvy,yuppie and educated, young aviation scene such corrupt ways and non transparent systems would only get the Director General (Mr Gohain in this case) and his organisation the wrath (if not more ) of the GOI and the Civil aviation ministry....to say the least!! I wonder if Mr Kanu Gohain(DG) even knows whats cooking in the embers....! Fact of the matter is that the MOST corrupt officials in the Dgca are sadly our own bretheren.The aviator who has graduated to become the babu....the Foi/Cfoi.
Far from over is this battle.All I can say is that they better mend their corrrupt ways.Or they better understand that the pilot is an enemy not worth taking up arms against and surely one to reckon with.
Every man has his skeleton,and every ghost has a shadow....
These are people who have lost out in other walks of life and have used extremely corrupt means to rise in the corporate system and then become a law unto themselves....
Take for example the fact that you have to have a Dgca "interview" when you change from one indian carrier to another......or the fact that a Dgca "rep"( read Foi ) has to be present when you are being cleared for as an indian Tre/Tri/Sfi or Cp...!! Or the fact that AFTER getting 90%+ in an ATPL written exam,you STILL have to appear for a 'personal interview' with the Dgca FOI ( who makes sure he's 'not available' for months on end ) before passing his/her ATPL papers.ALL in he name of some currency exchanging palms between the Foi and the airline..( which has been amply corroborated by buddies of mine flying in the region ).
There were times in the indian aviation scenario when such 'babuism' would go unnoticed.But in today's media savvy,yuppie and educated, young aviation scene such corrupt ways and non transparent systems would only get the Director General (Mr Gohain in this case) and his organisation the wrath (if not more ) of the GOI and the Civil aviation ministry....to say the least!! I wonder if Mr Kanu Gohain(DG) even knows whats cooking in the embers....! Fact of the matter is that the MOST corrupt officials in the Dgca are sadly our own bretheren.The aviator who has graduated to become the babu....the Foi/Cfoi.
Far from over is this battle.All I can say is that they better mend their corrrupt ways.Or they better understand that the pilot is an enemy not worth taking up arms against and surely one to reckon with.
Every man has his skeleton,and every ghost has a shadow....
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The only way the DGCA will wake up and smell the cofee, is when the GOI, is hit by economic sanctions by foreign countries. By that I mean a very restricted sanctions such as refusal for AI or Jet or anyone to land in the other countries. A bit extreme? Yes! But that is all that will get the Babus' attention and the corrupt heads might roll. If the expats complain loudly and frequently to their individual governments citing unfair practices, not following ICAO guidelines or whatever ,it might get some action.
Unfortunately,that will happen when it is a cold day in hell.The almighty dollar/pound/yen/yuan is much more powerful than a few hundred pilots.
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Unfortunately,that will happen when it is a cold day in hell.The almighty dollar/pound/yen/yuan is much more powerful than a few hundred pilots.
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Exactly Correct
You are right on the money Alouette. I already registered a complaint with the FAA after the screwing I got by the DGCA. I might as well have been pissing into a 100 Knot Wind!! However, USA Today has expressed some interest, so perhaps some public pressure may bring some change.
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either way is good
intresting to see who follows whom?
DGCA follows FAA,JAR or ......JAR,FAA FOLLOWS DGCA
it will be the best for pilots
no need for licence conversions and so many other hurdles coming towards licence renewal endorsements.
good luck guys
DGCA follows FAA,JAR or ......JAR,FAA FOLLOWS DGCA
it will be the best for pilots
no need for licence conversions and so many other hurdles coming towards licence renewal endorsements.
good luck guys
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many pilots will go jobless
india had all kind of sanctions after becoming nuclear
today all foreign countries are trying to tie up with india for nuclear tech.
inspite of the sanctions from USA india had offered aid for Katrina to U s a
this is not the history but recent in last 10 years.
many pilots will go jobless
india had all kind of sanctions after becoming nuclear
today all foreign countries are trying to tie up with india for nuclear tech.
inspite of the sanctions from USA india had offered aid for Katrina to U s a
this is not the history but recent in last 10 years.
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Well, if you want to know what (the majority of) the Indian government think about the general public, just watch interviews aired on TV with ministers. Their body language says it all: slouched over their easy chair or sofa, mumbling half-audible gibberish. Hardly the image of anyone interested in getting the country moving forward.
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economic sanctions
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if india puts economic sanctions what will happen?
thx flightnight for the thread which from licencing deviated to economics
then to politics.
i wonder what will happen if india puts FATA in to deep freezer for 6 months
for the pilots & then there will be no cold coffee even .
if india puts economic sanctions what will happen?
thx flightnight for the thread which from licencing deviated to economics
then to politics.
i wonder what will happen if india puts FATA in to deep freezer for 6 months
for the pilots & then there will be no cold coffee even .
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Not going to happen
intresting to see who follows whom?
DGCA follows FAA,JAR or ......JAR,FAA FOLLOWS DGCA
Despite a tense relationship with the FAA, US pilots do not have to contend with corruption when it comes to getting their licenses. The FAA is staffed with some of some of the brightest aviation minds - design engineers, veteran pilots, ex-astronauts etc..
It really depends on the quality of the folks running an organisation. So i guess the DGCA will need to clean up and follow the FAA or JAR.
DGCA follows FAA,JAR or ......JAR,FAA FOLLOWS DGCA
Despite a tense relationship with the FAA, US pilots do not have to contend with corruption when it comes to getting their licenses. The FAA is staffed with some of some of the brightest aviation minds - design engineers, veteran pilots, ex-astronauts etc..
It really depends on the quality of the folks running an organisation. So i guess the DGCA will need to clean up and follow the FAA or JAR.