Singaporeair Captain recruitment
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Breakdown
"...Can someone please break down the $210 000 annual salary..."
Salary = $210,000
Cost of Living in Singapore = $210,000
Plus Tax = 8 - 22% (Depends who you ask at IRAS)
Bottom line... ETIHAD!!!!
Salary = $210,000
Cost of Living in Singapore = $210,000
Plus Tax = 8 - 22% (Depends who you ask at IRAS)
Bottom line... ETIHAD!!!!
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Translated documents
Hello all,
SIA has asked for my medical documents to be translated in English but my country does not offer this. In your opinion can I do this myself or must be notorized?
Thank you,
HH
SIA has asked for my medical documents to be translated in English but my country does not offer this. In your opinion can I do this myself or must be notorized?
Thank you,
HH
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HH....yes you can do them yourself but it MUST BE ATTESTED and/or notorised. Oh BTW,how was the interview.And did the bond issue come up at all?? How was the sim.....Anxiously waiting.....
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Hi,all.
For info it took about three weeks between "Application sent Time "and "Interview invitation Time"
Now, can someone give an approximate time between sucessfull interview and an employment offer.plse?
Thks.
Now, can someone give an approximate time between sucessfull interview and an employment offer.plse?
Thks.
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Interview...???!!
B7.Hey,just wondering.Was this the 777 interview u went for?And,just outta curiosity,how do u know u cleared it..?? What was the interview,sim and meds like?? Thx in advance bro...! Also,any mention of the training bond pls??
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FlyingtheLine
Good truthful post. That is how it is, at last someone that has posted what actually goes on in SQ and gives one an insight as to what to expect.
A lot more could be added.
You have been warned.
Good truthful post. That is how it is, at last someone that has posted what actually goes on in SQ and gives one an insight as to what to expect.
A lot more could be added.
You have been warned.
I am not talking nonsense about intimacy. You sign a specific agreement about that at SQ (no kidding).
Often you will be in seperate hotels anyway but that may change as moves are afoot to reduce the standard of hotel given to pilots from 4* to "suitable" Guess who decides what's suitable.
DO NOT use the agents the company "gives" you to find an apartment. Look in the newspaper.
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Ark - Hmmm,Yank? Just what do you have against someone (lucky) enough to have been born in the US? Talk about bitter - couldn't get your own green card I guess....His post is fair and accurate to the letter - a clearer picture of the current expat situation has not been written. Period. Go ahead, we're all waiting on your "clarification".
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Flyingtheline is mostly correct in his observations, but he seems to be the "the glass is half empty" man.
All the contractual issues he mentions are revealed before signing the contract. If you read it...
Bond: I agree it's ridiculous. A 156 K bond for a 30 K training should be thrown out by an independent court. Don't try to take them to court in Singapore though.
Kids education: No secret, the contract is clear. Most guys with kids under 5 come here with a wife so the cage is not really necessary. Wifes can work in Singapore but I wouldn't count on it until the kids are a bit older.
Be aware though, they only pay for two children.
First officers: Yes, they are often inexperienced and due to lack of flying their skills are not always what you experience in US and European majors with shorthaul traffic.
But what do you expect? That is the main reason they hire us!
Layovers: The FO:s often asks me about dinner plans but I usually turn them down. I simple do not have so much in common with a Singaporean that is 20-25 years younger than me. The 10 hours or so we spend on the flight deck is usually enough. Besides, if you have some social competence the world is full of bars where you can meet interesting people. Of your liking...
Other pilots: I'm sorry, but I have never considered other guys Gelang activities being something negative to my life in Singapore.
Local pilots: I have been invited to parties, golf but not dinners. I don't consider that strange. I haven't really invited anyone myself.
Housing market: Now, if we're in the end of a bubble as you say. That is a good thing for the new joiners, isn't it?
However, it seems like youre bitter for missing out on the run. An apartment is worth exactly as much as someone wants to pay for it. Be it 300K or 1,5 million. Not what you consider it's worth.
Overall I do not think Flyingtheline is wrong in his observations. I have experienced it all myself. The difference is that it is exactly what I expected. I am a hired mercenary in a foreign country. I do not expect to be welcomed by all, I do not expect to be "respected" by the company. I do my job, enjoy the benefits (like 10 % tax, a safe society, a wonderful climate, fantastic food and nice travel opportunities in the area).
I'm on Cargo and I'd pay a lot for the chance to be on the 777 in mainline. They have the roster stability we miss. They have the chance to bring the family on trips and they have 42 days of leave...
Come, but come with reasonable expectations. If you want things to be like home... Stay at home.
All the contractual issues he mentions are revealed before signing the contract. If you read it...
Bond: I agree it's ridiculous. A 156 K bond for a 30 K training should be thrown out by an independent court. Don't try to take them to court in Singapore though.
Kids education: No secret, the contract is clear. Most guys with kids under 5 come here with a wife so the cage is not really necessary. Wifes can work in Singapore but I wouldn't count on it until the kids are a bit older.
Be aware though, they only pay for two children.
First officers: Yes, they are often inexperienced and due to lack of flying their skills are not always what you experience in US and European majors with shorthaul traffic.
But what do you expect? That is the main reason they hire us!
Layovers: The FO:s often asks me about dinner plans but I usually turn them down. I simple do not have so much in common with a Singaporean that is 20-25 years younger than me. The 10 hours or so we spend on the flight deck is usually enough. Besides, if you have some social competence the world is full of bars where you can meet interesting people. Of your liking...
Other pilots: I'm sorry, but I have never considered other guys Gelang activities being something negative to my life in Singapore.
Local pilots: I have been invited to parties, golf but not dinners. I don't consider that strange. I haven't really invited anyone myself.
Housing market: Now, if we're in the end of a bubble as you say. That is a good thing for the new joiners, isn't it?
However, it seems like youre bitter for missing out on the run. An apartment is worth exactly as much as someone wants to pay for it. Be it 300K or 1,5 million. Not what you consider it's worth.
Overall I do not think Flyingtheline is wrong in his observations. I have experienced it all myself. The difference is that it is exactly what I expected. I am a hired mercenary in a foreign country. I do not expect to be welcomed by all, I do not expect to be "respected" by the company. I do my job, enjoy the benefits (like 10 % tax, a safe society, a wonderful climate, fantastic food and nice travel opportunities in the area).
I'm on Cargo and I'd pay a lot for the chance to be on the 777 in mainline. They have the roster stability we miss. They have the chance to bring the family on trips and they have 42 days of leave...
Come, but come with reasonable expectations. If you want things to be like home... Stay at home.
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Yes, 2 schools of thought here.
First one says that you should read the fine print carefully before you arrive. And if you then get shafted its actually all your fault. The second one is that actually its not the fine print that is the problem - rather the manner and attitude in which the company choose to interpret and apply it. I think most of us did scrutinise the fine print but are still somewhat taken aback at the way SIA Cargo subsequently interpreted and applied the contract.
Example? Housing Allowance. $3000 per month (when I joined). "... will be reviewed if there are significant changes in the market rate" says my contract. Well the market has seen rentals increase 100% while Housing Allowance has gone up 11% - and that is taxable. The company attitude is 'Hey, we reviewed it mate!'
The result of this indifference to its employees welfare (whilst supposedly safe in the perceived knowledge that we are all trapped by the punitive bond) is that there is a lot of bad feeling and lack of trust - not with the Flight Ops Managers as such, rather with the money men who actually drive company 'policy.' But the Managers applied for their positions and accepted the keys to the Executive washroom and therefore must take the flak that comes with the job. They cannot credibly feign surprise when guys refuse discretion, have 'just had a beer' when called on a layover to accept a no notice flight etc.
This all has a very definite impact on the 'bottom line' but as no beancounter can quantify it, it is deemed to simply not exist. If the SIA corporate culture could undergo a slight sea change and actually recognise and act on the premise that people are any company's most valuable asset then I suspect SIA Cargo would reap a substantial 'bottom line' benefit from the return of some goodwill.
Unfortunately, there is no sign of that happening, people continue to resign and the stand off continues for those that remain.
What a shame.
First one says that you should read the fine print carefully before you arrive. And if you then get shafted its actually all your fault. The second one is that actually its not the fine print that is the problem - rather the manner and attitude in which the company choose to interpret and apply it. I think most of us did scrutinise the fine print but are still somewhat taken aback at the way SIA Cargo subsequently interpreted and applied the contract.
Example? Housing Allowance. $3000 per month (when I joined). "... will be reviewed if there are significant changes in the market rate" says my contract. Well the market has seen rentals increase 100% while Housing Allowance has gone up 11% - and that is taxable. The company attitude is 'Hey, we reviewed it mate!'
The result of this indifference to its employees welfare (whilst supposedly safe in the perceived knowledge that we are all trapped by the punitive bond) is that there is a lot of bad feeling and lack of trust - not with the Flight Ops Managers as such, rather with the money men who actually drive company 'policy.' But the Managers applied for their positions and accepted the keys to the Executive washroom and therefore must take the flak that comes with the job. They cannot credibly feign surprise when guys refuse discretion, have 'just had a beer' when called on a layover to accept a no notice flight etc.
This all has a very definite impact on the 'bottom line' but as no beancounter can quantify it, it is deemed to simply not exist. If the SIA corporate culture could undergo a slight sea change and actually recognise and act on the premise that people are any company's most valuable asset then I suspect SIA Cargo would reap a substantial 'bottom line' benefit from the return of some goodwill.
Unfortunately, there is no sign of that happening, people continue to resign and the stand off continues for those that remain.
What a shame.
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My comments are from the SIA Cargo side of the fence. And, yes, the latest resignation was just a few days ago. Off to fly B777 in the sand pit.
'Crew Shortage' in the remarks column of our April rosters at a not particularly busy time of the year and a requirement to recruit 30 Captains asap is a fair indication of what declining Terms, Conditions and Corporate attitude has done to the SIA Cargo pilot workforce. The company really do need to address this urgently.
We have also lowered the selection bar in an attempt to attract quantity rather than quality and are now interviewing guys (and offering them DECs) who did not previously even meet the criteria to apply.
'Crew Shortage' in the remarks column of our April rosters at a not particularly busy time of the year and a requirement to recruit 30 Captains asap is a fair indication of what declining Terms, Conditions and Corporate attitude has done to the SIA Cargo pilot workforce. The company really do need to address this urgently.
We have also lowered the selection bar in an attempt to attract quantity rather than quality and are now interviewing guys (and offering them DECs) who did not previously even meet the criteria to apply.
Last edited by BANANASBANANAS; 7th Apr 2008 at 19:05.