Singaporeair Captain recruitment
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Yes, no one held a gun to my head, but I made the decision to come and enter into a bond arrangement based on facts the company advertised and verbally reinforced at my interview that turned out to be false. I took the company at its word and made positve assumptions regarding professional practice (training, communication, respect for crew etc...) and adjustments to compensation that would realisticly help offset skyrocketing housing costs. I was wrong.
I will second what PQ has said. I too joined SQC based on what was in the contract and told to me at the interview. You will learn the contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on in SIN. If there is something that gets in the way because it's in the contract, you will be asked to sign a new contract with the offending clause removed. If you don't sign it, you leave. Simple as that.
The contract has language about housing, school and adjustments. It doesn't mean anything.
The best sign for me was when the former CP of SQC resigned and returned to line flying. That was the handwriting on the wall. The current CP is more concerned about where he is going to be in 5 years than taking care of the pilots who work for him.
SQ and all the associated companies, do a very good job using smoke and mirrors.
You have been warned!!!!
I will second what PQ has said. I too joined SQC based on what was in the contract and told to me at the interview. You will learn the contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on in SIN. If there is something that gets in the way because it's in the contract, you will be asked to sign a new contract with the offending clause removed. If you don't sign it, you leave. Simple as that.
The contract has language about housing, school and adjustments. It doesn't mean anything.
The best sign for me was when the former CP of SQC resigned and returned to line flying. That was the handwriting on the wall. The current CP is more concerned about where he is going to be in 5 years than taking care of the pilots who work for him.
SQ and all the associated companies, do a very good job using smoke and mirrors.
You have been warned!!!!
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The length of the bond used to worry me, and I wondered if we might have put ourselves in a position to be left behind as other companies put up better T&C's. Now with the price of oil chewing into every airline's bottom line, and US legacy carriers about to merge or fold, many smaller carriers disappearing overnight, and the industry in general looking like it will slow down the expansion, maybe a bit of stability isn't a bad thing...In other words I won't have to be out of work at the same time a whole bunch of out of work pilots are searching...(spinning it a bit... I know...but it helps me sleep a little better)
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slow down
Leftcoaster is absolutely correct in his last post,not saying SQC is good(not there yet) but seeing it slow down in Europe and a few other parts of the world now."Grass is always Greener" never been a better phrase,normally the other field is very much browner !!!!
Keep up the posts negative & positive its all good background knowledge
Goma(in a field that hasnt been watered!!)
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I am neither a compay man nor anti company. Just honouring my side of the contract in the same manner that SIA cargo honour theirs. However, PQ, and PS do highlight very valid points.
To continue the analogy of grass being greener. Sometimes it looks that way when you are looking at the long green grass from the other side of the fence. Remember though, long green grass can hide a whole pile of crap - and, sometimes, the first you know of it is when you are suddenly up to your neck in the brown smelly stuff, trying to extricate yourself from it!
To continue the analogy of grass being greener. Sometimes it looks that way when you are looking at the long green grass from the other side of the fence. Remember though, long green grass can hide a whole pile of crap - and, sometimes, the first you know of it is when you are suddenly up to your neck in the brown smelly stuff, trying to extricate yourself from it!
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So name me one company that does'nt have its pod patches right in the middle of its manicured green golf courses.......
With the dog come the fleas don't they......??
Cheers
With the dog come the fleas don't they......??
Cheers
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accomadation during training
Not jumping the gun but can anyone tell me what the deal is on accomadation when you first come out for training?
Think your going to tell me thats its down to me but would just like to know.
Thanks Goma
Think your going to tell me thats its down to me but would just like to know.
Thanks Goma
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goma 10 days room only free in hotel then you are on your own,at least that was what it was when I joined.
PS In those days we all did deals with hotel to stay on during the ground school at rates within the allowance but now you will find that all rates have increased well beyond that. Bring plenty of money with you as you will need it in addition to the bank guarantee.
PS In those days we all did deals with hotel to stay on during the ground school at rates within the allowance but now you will find that all rates have increased well beyond that. Bring plenty of money with you as you will need it in addition to the bank guarantee.
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Housing Allowance (married) $3350 pcm
Crew Rate at company hotel $190 per night.
When I joined it was $3000 and $100 respectively. Do the math yourself.
Crew Rate at company hotel $190 per night.
When I joined it was $3000 and $100 respectively. Do the math yourself.
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Goma - When I did my ground school we were put in the Paramount Hotel in Katong, (is it still there?). We negotiated a deal with the hotel, our housing money went straight to the hotel, (which meant we got the much lower SIA rate, rather than the rate they would give an individual who worked for SIA, which was $127.00 per day in those days), they also gave us $300.00 per month credit in their coffee-shop/restaurant. Probably still possible to strike a deal today and it is likely to be cheaper than some of the other accommodation alternatives, especially if you are going to be on your own.
One or two of the single lads did a long term deal, got high floor corner rooms, with a sea view and balcony, their own 'phone line, fridge etc. etc. and all housekeeping taken care of, it was a better financial deal than a single apartment in Kangaroo Park, (Bayshore!).
One or two of the single lads did a long term deal, got high floor corner rooms, with a sea view and balcony, their own 'phone line, fridge etc. etc. and all housekeeping taken care of, it was a better financial deal than a single apartment in Kangaroo Park, (Bayshore!).
Be aware that hotel accommodation is in short supply and average room rates exceed $200/night. The Grand Mercure Roxy is a popular aircrew hotel, with free transport to the airport. However your housing allowance will leave a very large short fall.
For $3350 I doubt you'd even get a month in a "Hotel 81" or "Fragrance" and that would be an interesting experience.
For $3350 I doubt you'd even get a month in a "Hotel 81" or "Fragrance" and that would be an interesting experience.
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parabellum Paramount still there but SIA changed to the new Roxy opposite Parkway Parade shopping centre.
In our day SIA picked up the bill and we paid 20% with special tax concessions but that has all changed now as they have an allowance (inadequate) added to salary (fully taxed) and you have to do your own thing.
Before I became London based I lived in a 2 bed service apartment in Orchard Rd S$4000 per month which SIA paid and charged me $800 per month. No deposit to pay as it was through the then newly introduced SIA housing scheme which you had to go through when you changed accommodation.Those were the days with Gym.Pool, TV Elec and breakfast included!!!
As Bananas says that has all changed. Glad I am not there anymore.
In our day SIA picked up the bill and we paid 20% with special tax concessions but that has all changed now as they have an allowance (inadequate) added to salary (fully taxed) and you have to do your own thing.
Before I became London based I lived in a 2 bed service apartment in Orchard Rd S$4000 per month which SIA paid and charged me $800 per month. No deposit to pay as it was through the then newly introduced SIA housing scheme which you had to go through when you changed accommodation.Those were the days with Gym.Pool, TV Elec and breakfast included!!!
As Bananas says that has all changed. Glad I am not there anymore.
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Hi,
Does SIAM offer any bases for its DEC's besides Singapore? I heard someone say UK.
Also,once cleared for line flying with the local licence( Caas ),does a DEC do a minimum mandatory hours from the RHS or is it straight away from LHS. Most countries ( including FAA ) require a newly type endorsed captain to do some 100 odd hours from the RHS towards route/airplane familiarisation.
Wonder if its the same in Singapore.
Does SIAM offer any bases for its DEC's besides Singapore? I heard someone say UK.
Also,once cleared for line flying with the local licence( Caas ),does a DEC do a minimum mandatory hours from the RHS or is it straight away from LHS. Most countries ( including FAA ) require a newly type endorsed captain to do some 100 odd hours from the RHS towards route/airplane familiarisation.
Wonder if its the same in Singapore.
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Most countries ( including FAA ) require a newly type endorsed captain to do some 100 odd hours from the RHS towards route/airplane familiarisation.
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I don't know what FAA you are referring to but the one in the US doesn't require any RHS time once you upgrade to captain. Where did that (you) come from? Obviously not from the US.....
I don't know what FAA you are referring to but the one in the US doesn't require any RHS time once you upgrade to captain. Where did that (you) come from? Obviously not from the US.....
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To the best of my knowledge,FAR Part 121 rules mandated that a newly appointed captain ie with fresh type endorsment on aircraft was mandatorily to do some time on Rhs,ie either under supervision or as observer.This contributed towards route fam.Obviously i was wrong....
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Millerscourt...
A bit pessimistic are we?
There are things that are not perfect but:
I flew less than 600 hours last year. Averaged 13 days off per month. Made 303000 SGD after tax.
I'm glad I'm here!
A bit pessimistic are we?
There are things that are not perfect but:
I flew less than 600 hours last year. Averaged 13 days off per month. Made 303000 SGD after tax.
I'm glad I'm here!
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Good luck if you plan to enroll kids in school here. FYI, in today's paper the Canadian International School announced that it will guarantee places for up to $150,000 Sing. $130,000 for the second child (This is the corporate rate). For individuals the rate is $100,000 per child. 8% of the places at the school will be reserved for the scheme. It also states that the Canadian School has received 30% more applications than there are spaces available for the August intake.
This is the 3rd international school to come out with this scheme. Hey, do you think SIA might pony-up the money? Not!
This is the 3rd international school to come out with this scheme. Hey, do you think SIA might pony-up the money? Not!
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Well CIS can have our space! Along with several other families, we have pulled our daughter out and will not be returning to the school. Many families are seriously PO'd about this new "system", as well as the seemingly poor staffing levels of good teachers. We spoke with the head Principal and he was sympathetic but stated that the Board was determined to go ahead with the school places for cash deal. It's being claimed that it's all the rage for International schools all over Asia...so the greed continues. Housing and schooling are what attracts many expats to move into new and well paying jobs...but it's hard to cope with the increases to the cost of working when it costs huge amounts of cash just to get started. Not any fault of the airline, but arguably an increase in allowances would go hand in hand with attracting talent. My two cents, if it keeps getting more expensive just to exist, it will be hard to get good people. Kind of a shame...
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I know that United World College is asking close to S$200,000 to put you at the top of the list and Tanglin approx. S$170,000.00.
We are all competing against the major corporations. They will pay whatever it takes to get their people. Schools and accommodation are top of the list.
We are all competing against the major corporations. They will pay whatever it takes to get their people. Schools and accommodation are top of the list.