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Old 27th Apr 2019, 05:04
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Originally Posted by pezetaroi View Post


He signed a concent letter with his agency, itís all in there... If he does attend the screening and is successful, he will also have to pay the penalty if he doesnít sign within three months. No surprises here, itís all stated by the agencies or at least the one I applied with...
unbelievable. You literally canít make this stuff up. No surprises? Thatís not a surprise, thatís Slavery. Even the Middle East airlines donít pull these stunts. If you go to their interview and donít join, youíre in debt???
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 14:12
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Which agencies are the biggest players in VNA? I'm guessing it's Rishworth, Parc then FCI or maybe direct personnel? Parc and Rishworth appear to have personnel on the ground at least.
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Old 28th Apr 2019, 05:34
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If you get the opportunity of agency, you will find FCI (USA) would be the better of any other agency available for VNA. local and contactable agency representatives,unlike Richworth and Parc that seem to go missing in action when issues arrive and it many times it might be days or weeks before you might get an response if you are lucky. Avoid Richworth.
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Old 28th Apr 2019, 05:53
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OTOH, FCI will withhold 20% of your salary for the first 6 months, theyíll give it back once you finish the five year contract, if you donít do the entire contract they will prorate and keep a percentage of the money, this on top of the penalties already in the contract for early termination, Parc and Rishworth donít do this, this is something important to keep in mind, FCI knows that many people donít make it to the end of the contract and theyíre making extra money off of that.
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Old 28th Apr 2019, 16:16
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Originally Posted by Jimmy The Big Greek View Post
I had very bad experience with PARC but good with Rishworth during my time in Vietnam! Actually I have started hearing a lot of bad things about PARC lately! They are treating their pilots like they are their property! Also, Rishworth and FCI have better medical insurance then PARC. Cashless and includes dentist!






Well, i left the company 2 years ago, when they start firing SFO's and asked to the Captains to reduce the roster pattern to 4x4. Then i lost my trust in the company and their unfair strategies to get rid of expats. I know today they regret, even they asked me many times to come back, but no way...
The point is that Parc was the only one agency trying to do something for pilots, Rishworth was just keeping silent until the last minute, when all agencies knew about the situation, and then they just sent the mails with 60 days notice to many of my SFO friends, of course, including all other offers they had in Asia to continue sucking their blood. They didn't try to fight or ask any explanation to the company, they just do what VNA says... U have no back up from Rishworth if u need them some day.
Yes, the medical insurance is one of the best, but other agencies have also medical insurance, so i think is not a big deal. All you would need to do with VNA if u come with rishworth should be paying first, so if you have some problem, for example, with some kind of transition to another fleet, they will take the money from the bond you have to pay in advance, then they could fire you. In Parc, you don't pay anything in advance, which is a good way to keep u flying until you find another place to go. I don't know, this is my personal opinion. I would choose any other agency, but never ever Rishworth.
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Old 1st May 2019, 00:27
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Originally Posted by Yesse View Post

Well, i left the company 2 years ago, when they start firing SFO's and asked to the Captains to reduce the roster pattern to 4x4. Then i lost my trust in the company and their unfair strategies to get rid of expats. I know today they regret, even they asked me many times to come back, but no way...
The point is that Parc was the only one agency trying to do something for pilots, Rishworth was just keeping silent until the last minute, when all agencies knew about the situation, and then they just sent the mails with 60 days notice to many of my SFO friends, of course, including all other offers they had in Asia to continue sucking their blood. They didn't try to fight or ask any explanation to the company, they just do what VNA says... U have no back up from Rishworth if u need them some day.
Yes, the medical insurance is one of the best, but other agencies have also medical insurance, so i think is not a big deal. All you would need to do with VNA if u come with rishworth should be paying first, so if you have some problem, for example, with some kind of transition to another fleet, they will take the money from the bond you have to pay in advance, then they could fire you. In Parc, you don't pay anything in advance, which is a good way to keep u flying until you find another place to go. I don't know, this is my personal opinion. I would choose any other agency, but never ever Rishworth.


Yesse, despite that you keep sounding like a broken record every time someone has a question about VNA, do you mind explaining what you mean by “SFO” ? It’s a term you keep bringing up. Do you mean “San Francisco” or “Second Officer” or what ? Thank you.
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Old 1st May 2019, 04:35
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Originally Posted by wingdeagle View Post


Yesse, despite that you keep sounding like a broken record every time someone has a question about VNA, do you mind explaining what you mean by ďSFOĒ ? Itís a term you keep bringing up. Do you mean ďSan FranciscoĒ or ďSecond OfficerĒ or what ? Thank you.
Ok, first, tell me if i said something unreal in any of my comments, if so, then i will demonstrate "again", i have no problem, really. And yes, somehow my heart was broken after 15 years flying in VN, when i see how everything changed, but much more, because i saw how they play with the people lives just by dirty money. What they did 2 years ago, shows up what they are. 15 years ago they were waiting for you with the open arms, today, they look at you like something they want to kick out as soon as they can. Today they are suffering a bit the consequences, the local guys are running away to Bamboo, those guys who were trained and defended by the company for free when they were nothing, their whole life as pilots, are running away, and Bamboo is paying the penalty for them. So the company tries to fulfill VNA always with local pilots, and local pilots are always backbiting the company as soon as they have the chance. The company hates expats, only they shows you that they are happy to have you there if they really really need you, same as now, but is just a matter of time, that they will do again what they did 2 years ago. When? I don't know, but the plan of the company is there, get rid of expats as soon as they can. The only one good thing, is that the local guys moves where they receive more money, because is the only one thing they care. Its obvious, the local guys just uses VNA for the experience, because they have everything for free, training, Type ratings, even initial pilot license if someone had good contacts, then when they have theTR, they fly the A321 as cadet... And after 2000 hours, upgraded to Captain. So easy, same as they like, everything done. That's why they have lower salary, and the reason of because they have to pay the penalty if they want to leave, because in fact, all they have belongs to VNA. The company is always trying to find the way to pay less. They can't reduce the salary of expat ( they would love to ) because if so, everybody will leave. To have an idea, there are people with contract with VNA who are 6 years old... There are many like this, i saw with my own eyes. This is because someone puts their children also in some position, just to suck more money. So, they need you to fly like crazy, doing the dirty job that local pilots they don't want to do, to feed all these mouths who are eating for free.
This is not a broken heart talking, this is an angry person who saw the corruption and dirty play from VNA, so i try to warn all new pilots trying to join the company. If you ask me 15 years ago, i would tell you a very different story, but today, this is the reality. Maybe you had a touch of grace from VNA and now you are lovely and so grateful with them, so now you want to please and kiss them back ( i will not say here the real name of this ) so i guess you heart is not broken yet. Anyway, there will be always people like you everywhere. Last month 2 more of my friends left the company. They didn't like what they see, after just a few months flying with them... I told them, but they wanted to try, and then they told me, i should have listen your words. So, again, i was broken heart, as you said

And to finish, can't believe your question, really. I am surprised about how ignorant is the people sometimes. Anyway, to acculturate yourself a bit more, as everybody knows SFO means Senior First Officer. You sound suspiciously as a local!! But anyway, Good luck and congrats, you learned one more thing today. You are welcome!!!

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Old 2nd May 2019, 04:56
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Originally Posted by Yesse View Post


Ok, first, tell me if i said something unreal in any of my comments, if so, then i will demonstrate "again", i have no problem, really. And yes, somehow my heart was broken after 15 years flying in VN, when i see how everything changed, but much more, because i saw how they play with the people lives just by dirty money. What they did 2 years ago, shows up what they are. 15 years ago they were waiting for you with the open arms, today, they look at you like something they want to kick out as soon as they can. Today they are suffering a bit the consequences, the local guys are running away to Bamboo, those guys who were trained and defended by the company for free when they were nothing, their whole life as pilots, are running away, and Bamboo is paying the penalty for them. So the company tries to fulfill VNA always with local pilots, and local pilots are always backbiting the company as soon as they have the chance. The company hates expats, only they shows you that they are happy to have you there if they really really need you, same as now, but is just a matter of time, that they will do again what they did 2 years ago. When? I don't know, but the plan of the company is there, get rid of expats as soon as they can. The only one good thing, is that the local guys moves where they receive more money, because is the only one thing they care. Its obvious, the local guys just uses VNA for the experience, because they have everything for free, training, Type ratings, even initial pilot license if someone had good contacts, then when they have theTR, they fly the A321 as cadet... And after 2000 hours, upgraded to Captain. So easy, same as they like, everything done. That's why they have lower salary, and the reason of because they have to pay the penalty if they want to leave, because in fact, all they have belongs to VNA. The company is always trying to find the way to pay less. They can't reduce the salary of expat ( they would love to ) because if so, everybody will leave. To have an idea, there are people with contract with VNA who are 6 years old... There are many like this, i saw with my own eyes. This is because someone puts their children also in some position, just to suck more money. So, they need you to fly like crazy, doing the dirty job that local pilots they don't want to do, to feed all these mouths who are eating for free.
This is not a broken heart talking, this is an angry person who saw the corruption and dirty play from VNA, so i try to warn all new pilots trying to join the company. If you ask me 15 years ago, i would tell you a very different story, but today, this is the reality. Maybe you had a touch of grace from VNA and now you are lovely and so grateful with them, so now you want to please and kiss them back ( i will not say here the real name of this ) so i guess you heart is not broken yet. Anyway, there will be always people like you everywhere. Last month 2 more of my friends left the company. They didn't like what they see, after just a few months flying with them... I told them, but they wanted to try, and then they told me, i should have listen your words. So, again, i was broken heart, as you said

And to finish, can't believe your question, really. I am surprised about how ignorant is the people sometimes. Anyway, to acculturate yourself a bit more, as everybody knows SFO means Senior First Officer. You sound suspiciously as a local!! But anyway, Good luck and congrats, you learned one more thing today. You are welcome!!!
Yesse, a couple of facts:
I am not a local (with all the deep respect towards locals, my English grammar is a bit better than locals’).
I am not with VNA anymore, but spent almost ten years there.
Unlike you, I signed a contract which clearly defined my tasks: fly an airplane from point A to point B, get paid and go home.
My contract did not include the right to stick my nose into company politics and look for it’s faults.
YOU Sir clearly never understood what the flying contract world is about, this is why you are now angry, bitter and broken hearted. Yet Sir you have a huge ego: SENIOR FIRST OFFICERS ? Were you flying at Lufthansa, Cathay or Emirates ? Because they do have this title. VNA never had and does not have a SFO position, so quit making up stuff. Some FO’s are more experienced than others, but so are Captains. So what’s next: senior Captain �� ? I am truly sorry you signed a marriage contract with VNA, expecting love and affection which ended up in divorce. I signed a simple contract which gave both parties the possibility to quit with a timely notice.
P.S. I do agree that things there have changed (for the worst). If I would warn someone from going there it would be the dramatic decline in cockpit standards and basic flying skills !
Have a nice day.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 06:39
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Originally Posted by wingdeagle View Post

Yesse, a couple of facts:
I am not a local (with all the deep respect towards locals, my English grammar is a bit better than localsí).
I am not with VNA anymore, but spent almost ten years there.
Unlike you, I signed a contract which clearly defined my tasks: fly an airplane from point A to point B, get paid and go home.
My contract did not include the right to stick my nose into company politics and look for itís faults.
YOU Sir clearly never understood what the flying contract world is about, this is why you are now angry, bitter and broken hearted. Yet Sir you have a huge ego: SENIOR FIRST OFFICERS ? Were you flying at Lufthansa, Cathay or Emirates ? Because they do have this title. VNA never had and does not have a SFO position, so quit making up stuff. Some FOís are more experienced than others, but so are Captains. So whatís next: senior Captain �� ? I am truly sorry you signed a marriage contract with VNA, expecting love and affection which ended up in divorce. I signed a simple contract which gave both parties the possibility to quit with a timely notice.
P.S. I do agree that things there have changed (for the worst). If I would warn someone from going there it would be the dramatic decline in cockpit standards and basic flying skills !
Have a nice day.
Feeling amazing after your answer, thanks. Same as i thought. Anyway, at least in my case, when i work for an airline, i don't fly as a mercenary. My duty now is to advise all other pilots what they will have if they join an airline like this. Specially SFO's ( Senior First Officer, in General, a First Officer with more than 4000 hours flight time. No need to be in Lufthansa. You are welcome ) Because they are looking for them to fly 787 and A350, under the promise of a fake fastrack upgrade opportunity. You go to VNA as VNA as FO, 99% you will leave VNA as FO. This is the real thing. As i said in a comment before, the SFO's who survived to the firing process 2 years ago, still waiting for their upgrade, most of them on A350. So, you will go to the end of the list, and considering that these guys are now the last option for the company for being upgraded ( only if they really really need, same as always happened ) so you could imagine when would arrive the upgrade chance for the new A350 FO's... As i said before, 99% NEVER. And this is my warning and my duty with other colleagues. If the reality sounds bitter for you, am sorry, but i will not sweet your ear talking about VNA, honey... Have a nice day too!!
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Old 2nd May 2019, 07:31
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You do not fly as mercenary ? According to you, you were in VNA 15 years so I guess you did just that. 4000 hours for SFO ? What is your reference, ICAO manuals or are you pulling this info out of your nose ? In my time at VNA countless expats came as FOs who are now Captains, TRIs, TREs and fly wide bodies. You want a career though ? Stay away from contract world and go work for an airline directly.

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Old 3rd May 2019, 13:14
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Originally Posted by Yesse View Post


Feeling amazing after your answer, thanks. Same as i thought. Anyway, at least in my case, when i work for an airline, i don't fly as a mercenary. My duty now is to advise all other pilots what they will have if they join an airline like this. Specially SFO's ( Senior First Officer, in General, a First Officer with more than 4000 hours flight time. No need to be in Lufthansa. You are welcome ) Because they are looking for them to fly 787 and A350, under the promise of a fake fastrack upgrade opportunity. You go to VNA as VNA as FO, 99% you will leave VNA as FO. This is the real thing. As i said in a comment before, the SFO's who survived to the firing process 2 years ago, still waiting for their upgrade, most of them on A350. So, you will go to the end of the list, and considering that these guys are now the last option for the company for being upgraded ( only if they really really need, same as always happened ) so you could imagine when would arrive the upgrade chance for the new A350 FO's... As i said before, 99% NEVER. And this is my warning and my duty with other colleagues. If the reality sounds bitter for you, am sorry, but i will not sweet your ear talking about VNA, honey... Have a nice day too!!
Personally I am quite happy here seeing it out till my retirement. I fulfill my part of the contract and VN has always abided by their part. I follow my roster. Follow the SOP and FOM closely. Do what I am told and don't create problems

Money flows to me, and loyalty flows back. All as it should be. All in equilibrium.

To be honest Yesse, Vietjet must be treating you well. Why get so wound up?

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Old 3rd May 2019, 13:20
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Yesse,

I know who you are. And I know why you left.

Please stop attacking the airline that provided you with the qualification you now use at a competing airline. Its childish
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Old 3rd May 2019, 19:41
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
Yesse,

I know who you are. And I know why you left.

Please stop attacking the airline that provided you with the qualification you now use at a competing airline. Its childish
Ia1166, AMEN to what you wrote 🙏🏼.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 23:03
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Originally Posted by wingdeagle View Post


Ia1166, AMEN to what you wrote 🙏🏼.
Its fake news to divert recruitment to his airline. I can tell more if required
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Old 4th May 2019, 03:58
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Gentlemen.
Could someone be kind enough to post :
1. What are the commuting patterns available.
2. Approx t & c’s for each pattern.
787 skipper.
Cheers
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Old 4th May 2019, 06:20
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you'll need to speak to the contract company as they are all slightly different.

Medical insurance, actual date of payment, bonds, etc etc

Doubt better than 6 and 2 is available right now
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Old 10th May 2019, 07:00
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Is it possible to change agency if you are not happy with the one you have?
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Old 10th May 2019, 07:57
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Originally Posted by Jimmy The Big Greek View Post
Is it possible to change agency if you are not happy with the one you have?
it depends, once youíre hired itís not possible, youíd have to resign with your current agency as youíre working for them and are on ďloanĒ to Vietnam Airlines, now, before being hired itís possible, all you have to do is ask your agency to release ypur application.

hope this helps.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 05:13
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For how many years has vna been offering the same salary?
i dont understand why they are so careless on spending in the wrong things like catering waste, fuel wasted on improper flight planning and apu usage, and dozens of other easy to see wasted resources.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 11:33
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just got emailed this by F6i

New Benefits Include the following:
  1. MyIDTravel Benefits: Vietnam Airlines is now extending ZED tickets/ID90/ID75 travel benefits to pilots and their family members on Sky Team Alliance airlines! This is huge and will make your commute home on days off much cheaper and easier!!
  1. Signing Bonus: Guaranteed $2,000 signing bonus to ALL pilots!
  1. Cash Bonus: The CEO of Vietnam Airlines has granted another CASH BONUS to expat pilots. This is now the fifth cash bonus in the last 12 months for expat pilots totaling: USD $1,930.98
  1. Fly Overtime (your choice): if you would like to fly during your days off you now have the option to do so! Make an additional USD $120 hourly if you work during your OFF Days
  1. Annual Bonus: This cash bonus is an addition to the $2,430 bonus pilots receive annually – which grows to $8,100/annually
  1. Wide- Body Upgrade: VNA is now quickly upgrading A320 Captains to the A350 and B787 fleet as VNA now has a huge shortage on both wide- body aircrafts – pilots can register their interest for an upgrade after only 6 months!
  1. Easy Screening Process: Now you can do the interview via Skype and once you pass, you can travel to Vietnam for the simulator check. Enjoy HIGH passing rates! We will fully prepare you! Immediate start dates are available!
  1. Flexible Commuting Roster – we know every pilot doesn’t have the same schedule which is why YOU choose which roster works best for you! Change your roster up to two times a year
  1. Choice of Base- Pilots can choose from the following bases: Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, or Cam Ranh
=centerVietnam Airlines
Roster Pattern

(USD)
A320 Captain Monthly SalaryA320 TRE

Monthly Salary
A320 TRI

Monthly Salary
A320 LTC

Monthly Salary
4 weeks on / 2 weeks off
$9,466.00
$12,558.67
$10,445.56
$10,175.56
3 weeks on / 1 week off
$10,800.00
$14,286.00
$11,900.00
$11,600.00
6 weeks on / 3 weeks off
$9,466.00
$12,558.67
$10,445.56
$10,175.56
9 weeks on / 3 weeks off
$10,800.00
$14,286.00
$11,900.00
$11,600.00
6 weeks on / 2 weeks off
$10,800.00
$14,286.00
$11,900.00
$11,600.00
8 weeks on / 2 weeks off
$11,600.00
$15,322.40
$12,772.67
$12,454.67
10 weeks on / 2 weeks off
$12,133.00
$16,013.33
$13,354.44
$13,024.44
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  • Commuting Contract: 3x1, 4x2, 6x2, 6x3, 8x2, 9x3,10x2
  • Salary Average USD $9,466- $16,013 (NET) + Overtime
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  • Choice of base – Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Cam Ranh
  • Loss of Income Insurance provided at no cost
  • Accepting Captain, LTC, TRI, and TRE
  • Immediate start dates available – we can Fast-Track your application!
  • Discounts at International Schools in Vietnam – up to 65% off!
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  • Life Insurance with Death Benefits
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