Vietnam Airlines (info please)
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Guys I applied for the captain job on the 787 and was told by the agent in Rishworth that Vietnam airlines has stopped the hiring process in order to evaluate their needs.
Do you guys have another kind of info?
Do you guys have another kind of info?
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Good morning everyone, i have had the chance to read thru ALL of the threads here, and i must say very helpful info thru so many pages.
As the time has come, for me to venture into the unknown, and basically look to spend some more time closer to my wife home in asia, i am far too old for the uncertainty of china. I.e. medicals or unfairness atleast dispalyed some years ago.
Having said that im am current and rated on the airbus, looking for any guidance as to how VNA roster patterns look on the 6 weeks on ? You can post on public or p.m. if you wish.
As the time has come, for me to venture into the unknown, and basically look to spend some more time closer to my wife home in asia, i am far too old for the uncertainty of china. I.e. medicals or unfairness atleast dispalyed some years ago.
Having said that im am current and rated on the airbus, looking for any guidance as to how VNA roster patterns look on the 6 weeks on ? You can post on public or p.m. if you wish.
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Vietnam Airlines is dying. Local guys are already half way to Bamboo and/or VietJet. Expats to China and/or Middle East.
Corruption is apparently more dangerous for Vietnam and effective then any known weapon system.
Latest idea how to keep expat pilots happy? We have a new hotel in Hanoi (it used to be Sheraton). Local, 3 stars (contract guarantees 4 stars) in the middle of construction works around. Sweet dreams...
Corruption is apparently more dangerous for Vietnam and effective then any known weapon system.
Latest idea how to keep expat pilots happy? We have a new hotel in Hanoi (it used to be Sheraton). Local, 3 stars (contract guarantees 4 stars) in the middle of construction works around. Sweet dreams...
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Vietnam Airlines is dying. Local guys are already half way to Bamboo and/or VietJet. Expats to China and/or Middle East.
Corruption is apparently more dangerous for Vietnam and effective then any known weapon system.
Latest idea how to keep expat pilots happy? We have a new hotel in Hanoi (it used to be Sheraton). Local, 3 stars (contract guarantees 4 stars) in the middle of construction works around. Sweet dreams...
Corruption is apparently more dangerous for Vietnam and effective then any known weapon system.
Latest idea how to keep expat pilots happy? We have a new hotel in Hanoi (it used to be Sheraton). Local, 3 stars (contract guarantees 4 stars) in the middle of construction works around. Sweet dreams...
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Just curious doesn't VNA have a huge fleet order already? I believe i read they are looking to atleast double in size, or is that just smoke and mirrors? Seriously considering to join 😰😰 Is it only first officers leaving or Captains as well?
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Stay away
Just one example of what they were managing. To fire expat makes them so happy, i tell you. This info is updated continuosly. The last info i had was last month, when they expect to cut up to 250 Captains and 0 FO's expat by 2020. So, on your own risk guys, don't believe the agencies!!!!
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My friend, i can tell you all you want. To start, joining VNA as Captain is not a good idea, so you can imagine as FO, is even worse. The A350 fleet is good, but will be around 1-2 more years that the expat FO will be fired again. The growing of the fleet will be stopped ( they will receive just 2 more aircraft this year and no more A350 for VNA ), and when this happens, the A350 fleet, even 787 fleet will be filled with local guys, pushing out all expat. That's the plan of the comoany. The thing is that now they have a huge hole that they need to cover, and the agencies are just.... I will not say the word... So when the expat coming now save their ass... And when they don't need you anymore, they will not care about your life or whatever, you will receive 60 days notice and goodbye. Knowing this company, i could say that the ONLY one reason to come, is if you have a contract where "at least" they remove the part of the 60 days notice, and some compensation in case of being fired before the agreed time signed on the contract. If not, better stay away. You don't know when, but will happen, you can't feel safe here bro. My recommendation, stay away. I just left the company almost one year ago, and after that, i was wondering... What the hell i was doing there the last 15 years... Finally, if you decide to come, more as an FO, doesn't matter which fleet, you take the risk to have a serious problem in your career, more with A350, because will be not easy to find a job with this TR when they fire you.
Just one example of what they were managing. To fire expat makes them so happy, i tell you. This info is updated continuosly. The last info i had was last month, when they expect to cut up to 250 Captains and 0 FO's expat by 2020. So, on your own risk guys, don't believe the agencies!!!!
there were not that many ex pats here then, and i dont know you.
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Kimono, previously you stated that in 2018, after that 2020, now 2023? You’re such a reliable source! If you’re still flying in VNA, what are you doing there? all you do is complain. If you’re not flying in VNA anymore, why all the complaints? let it go and get a life man! There are plenty of pilots who actually enjoy flying in VNA, if it wasn’t because of the money, I would probably still be there. You are so blinded by your negativity that you can’t see the bright side and just to remind you, there is no perfect job out there, or is there?
Now the latest news are 2023. If you are flying in VNA ask any vietnamese pilot about that.
But , you are right , in VNA there is no reliable source, as these monkeys are not able to organise any business plan.
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There may indeed have been a plan to reduce expat numbers, before VJ and Bamboo started plundering all the local pilots, but the fact is that right now the Vietnamese captains and high time FOs are leaving faster than they can upgrade them. They can’t get more locals, so their option is either to hire more expats, or park aircraft.
A330 was a special case because the fleet was getting finished. We (the FOs) were all offered the A350 RHS but most of us chose not to take it, because we had offers from several other companies to go and take quick commands elsewhere.
There are certainly issues of concern here, but job security isn’t one of them, for anybody except Kimono anyway ��
A330 was a special case because the fleet was getting finished. We (the FOs) were all offered the A350 RHS but most of us chose not to take it, because we had offers from several other companies to go and take quick commands elsewhere.
There are certainly issues of concern here, but job security isn’t one of them, for anybody except Kimono anyway ��
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There may indeed have been a plan to reduce expat numbers, before VJ and Bamboo started plundering all the local pilots, but the fact is that right now the Vietnamese captains and high time FOs are leaving faster than they can upgrade them. They can’t get more locals, so their option is either to hire more expats, or park aircraft.
A330 was a special case because the fleet was getting finished. We (the FOs) were all offered the A350 RHS but most of us chose not to take it, because we had offers from several other companies to go and take quick commands elsewhere.
There are certainly issues of concern here, but job security isn’t one of them, for anybody except Kimono anyway ��
A330 was a special case because the fleet was getting finished. We (the FOs) were all offered the A350 RHS but most of us chose not to take it, because we had offers from several other companies to go and take quick commands elsewhere.
There are certainly issues of concern here, but job security isn’t one of them, for anybody except Kimono anyway ��
You said all the FOs on the A330 were offered the A350 ? That is a lie. The proof is that only 5 FOs were taken in the A350 ( 1 indian, 1 spaniard, 3 russians ).
About the vietnamese pilots, you forget VNA has hired 750 cadets ( plus some foreigners P2F). In 3 to 5 years, some of these cadets will be upgraded .
I am telling you, there is no futur for the expats in VNA.
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This is was 1 year ago ( not 10 years ago )
Dear A321 First Officers,
As you will be aware, there is growing uncertainty around the future of the A321 First Officer role at VNA and unfortunately, overnight, we were advised that VNA will soon be releasing A321 First Officers (with 60 days notice).
At this time we do not know who or when, but indications are that notice will be given in stages throughout the year, commencing this month.
RAL is continuing to communicate with VNA about this situation and will keep you updated with any news as we receive it, so that you will be fully updated as you consider your future options.
We understand that this is very difficult news to hear, and we will do our best to assist you as much as possible over the coming months. Given this news, however, we strongly recommend that you start to take steps now to secure your next contract opportunity.
Regarding opportunities available to you, I note that we work very closely with Jetstar Pacific and they are currently recruiting A320 FOs. Please find attached the brief outlining details of this role. Also attached are briefing documents for other roles that you may qualify for and be interested in. Please do not hesitate to contact the Recruitment Consultant noted on the brief for further information about any of these roles, and copy me into your email.
Once again, we will keep you all updated as news come to hand. In the meantime, if you have any further questions, please let me know.
Kind regards,
Regional Manager
if someone thinking to apply be sure in 1/2 years when the new cadets will be ready is going to happen again.
this is not at rumor this is a fact
Dear A321 First Officers,
As you will be aware, there is growing uncertainty around the future of the A321 First Officer role at VNA and unfortunately, overnight, we were advised that VNA will soon be releasing A321 First Officers (with 60 days notice).
At this time we do not know who or when, but indications are that notice will be given in stages throughout the year, commencing this month.
RAL is continuing to communicate with VNA about this situation and will keep you updated with any news as we receive it, so that you will be fully updated as you consider your future options.
We understand that this is very difficult news to hear, and we will do our best to assist you as much as possible over the coming months. Given this news, however, we strongly recommend that you start to take steps now to secure your next contract opportunity.
Regarding opportunities available to you, I note that we work very closely with Jetstar Pacific and they are currently recruiting A320 FOs. Please find attached the brief outlining details of this role. Also attached are briefing documents for other roles that you may qualify for and be interested in. Please do not hesitate to contact the Recruitment Consultant noted on the brief for further information about any of these roles, and copy me into your email.
Once again, we will keep you all updated as news come to hand. In the meantime, if you have any further questions, please let me know.
Kind regards,
Regional Manager
if someone thinking to apply be sure in 1/2 years when the new cadets will be ready is going to happen again.
this is not at rumor this is a fact
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You guys keep cracking me up (making me laugh in American English). You are looking for job security in the airline industry ? Ever considered becoming a Doctor, policeman or a lawyer ? Here is job security for you.
For those new to the contract world or living on Planet Delusional like Kimono:
- you are on loan by an agency. You are NOT working for THE airline.
- as a contractor you may be lucky to upgrade or change fleets as it has happened at VNA in the past, but you cannot expect it.
- you are looking for same treatment as the loclas: stay in your coutry and be a part of the locals.
- the length of your contract is worthless. The contract can be terminated from BOTH sides within a written time frame. This also gives you as pilot a way out, incase you are not happy where you are.
- you are being paid to fly an airplane from A to B and not to get involved in company planning and politics. This is THEIR company, your company is your agent.
- in most cases your contract will be honored and you will get paid on time for the services you provide. This is it.
Like many airlines, VNA is facing massive challenges. I was there many years.
Pros: Locals are mostly very nice, friendly and welcoming. They are a pleasure to work with. Pay is on time. Plenty new birds to fly and Vietnam is simply awsome and offers a very laid back life style. Despite the crazy traffic.
Cons: Substandard contract. No pay raise in almost 10 years, while inflation is through the roof. If you bring your family, you will be paycheck to paycheck. Overcrowded ATC environment and diminishing standards on flight deck, making the operation very challenging and extremely stressful.
Again, if you are looking for job security, consider becoming a firefighter 😜.
For those new to the contract world or living on Planet Delusional like Kimono:
- you are on loan by an agency. You are NOT working for THE airline.
- as a contractor you may be lucky to upgrade or change fleets as it has happened at VNA in the past, but you cannot expect it.
- you are looking for same treatment as the loclas: stay in your coutry and be a part of the locals.
- the length of your contract is worthless. The contract can be terminated from BOTH sides within a written time frame. This also gives you as pilot a way out, incase you are not happy where you are.
- you are being paid to fly an airplane from A to B and not to get involved in company planning and politics. This is THEIR company, your company is your agent.
- in most cases your contract will be honored and you will get paid on time for the services you provide. This is it.
Like many airlines, VNA is facing massive challenges. I was there many years.
Pros: Locals are mostly very nice, friendly and welcoming. They are a pleasure to work with. Pay is on time. Plenty new birds to fly and Vietnam is simply awsome and offers a very laid back life style. Despite the crazy traffic.
Cons: Substandard contract. No pay raise in almost 10 years, while inflation is through the roof. If you bring your family, you will be paycheck to paycheck. Overcrowded ATC environment and diminishing standards on flight deck, making the operation very challenging and extremely stressful.
Again, if you are looking for job security, consider becoming a firefighter 😜.
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I was not there for a job security but to have my contract fulfil ! That is a big difference !
Now the people here, have been lied upon and deceived by a bunch of monkey boys ,whom does not respect what they have signed. They just give you 60 days, make you fly until your PPC expire and then goodbye.
Try to do the same on your side , you will see the difference.
Now the people here, have been lied upon and deceived by a bunch of monkey boys ,whom does not respect what they have signed. They just give you 60 days, make you fly until your PPC expire and then goodbye.
Try to do the same on your side , you will see the difference.
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I was not there for a job security but to have my contract fulfil ! That is a big difference !
Now the people here, have been lied upon and deceived by a bunch of monkey boys ,whom does not respect what they have signed. They just give you 60 days, make you fly until your PPC expire and then goodbye.
Try to do the same on your side , you will see the difference.
Now the people here, have been lied upon and deceived by a bunch of monkey boys ,whom does not respect what they have signed. They just give you 60 days, make you fly until your PPC expire and then goodbye.
Try to do the same on your side , you will see the difference.
When I left VNA I actually used the 60 day clause myself; as I said, this can be beneficial for both sides. There are expats who spent 20+ years in VNA and plenty with 10+. A rather unusual stat in the contract world.
They may have not fulfilled your expectations, but calling people of other nationality and race “monkeys” as you do in almost all of your posts makes me suspect, that this is the attitude and disrespect you must have shown the locals while being in Vietnam, so perhaps they had all the reason to.
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Originally Posted by wingdeagle
If you bring your family, you will be paycheck to paycheck.
Sorry if this has been answered before, I couldn’t find anything recent about this.
