Vietnam Airlines (info please)

[King on a Wing]

Gentlemen.
Could someone be kind enough to post :
1. What are the commuting patterns available.
2. Approx t & c’s for each pattern.
787 skipper.
Cheers

[ia1166]

you'll need to speak to the contract company as they are all slightly different.

Medical insurance, actual date of payment, bonds, etc etc

Doubt better than 6 and 2 is available right now

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

Is it possible to change agency if you are not happy with the one you have?

[DonVitto]

Originally Posted by Jimmy The Big Greek

Is it possible to change agency if you are not happy with the one you have?

it depends, once you’re hired it’s not possible, you’d have to resign with your current agency as you’re working for them and are on “loan” to Vietnam Airlines, now, before being hired it’s possible, all you have to do is ask your agency to release ypur application.

hope this helps.

[CM1A320]

For how many years has vna been offering the same salary?
i dont understand why they are so careless on spending in the wrong things like catering waste, fuel wasted on improper flight planning and apu usage, and dozens of other easy to see wasted resources.

[Roti Canai]

just got emailed this by F6i

New Benefits Include the following:

1. MyIDTravel Benefits: Vietnam Airlines is now extending ZED tickets/ID90/ID75 travel benefits to pilots and their family members on Sky Team Alliance airlines! This is huge and will make your commute home on days off much cheaper and easier!!

1. Signing Bonus: Guaranteed $2,000 signing bonus to ALL pilots!

1. Cash Bonus: The CEO of Vietnam Airlines has granted another CASH BONUS to expat pilots. This is now the fifth cash bonus in the last 12 months for expat pilots totaling: USD $1,930.98

1. Fly Overtime (your choice): if you would like to fly during your days off you now have the option to do so! Make an additional USD $120 hourly if you work during your OFF Days

1. Annual Bonus: This cash bonus is an addition to the $2,430 bonus pilots receive annually – which grows to $8,100/annually

1. Wide- Body Upgrade: VNA is now quickly upgrading A320 Captains to the A350 and B787 fleet as VNA now has a huge shortage on both wide- body aircrafts – pilots can register their interest for an upgrade after only 6 months!

1. Easy Screening Process: Now you can do the interview via Skype and once you pass, you can travel to Vietnam for the simulator check. Enjoy HIGH passing rates! We will fully prepare you! Immediate start dates are available!

1. Flexible Commuting Roster – we know every pilot doesn’t have the same schedule which is why YOU choose which roster works best for you! Change your roster up to two times a year

1. Choice of Base- Pilots can choose from the following bases: Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, or Cam Ranh

=centerVietnam Airlines
Roster Pattern

(USD)
A320 Captain Monthly SalaryA320 TRE

Monthly Salary
A320 TRI

Monthly Salary
A320 LTC

Monthly Salary
4 weeks on / 2 weeks off
$9,466.00
$12,558.67
$10,445.56
$10,175.56
3 weeks on / 1 week off
$10,800.00
$14,286.00
$11,900.00
$11,600.00
6 weeks on / 3 weeks off
$9,466.00
$12,558.67
$10,445.56
$10,175.56
9 weeks on / 3 weeks off
$10,800.00
$14,286.00
$11,900.00
$11,600.00
6 weeks on / 2 weeks off
$10,800.00
$14,286.00
$11,900.00
$11,600.00
8 weeks on / 2 weeks off
$11,600.00
$15,322.40
$12,772.67
$12,454.67
10 weeks on / 2 weeks off
$12,133.00
$16,013.33
$13,354.44
$13,024.44
Additional Highlights below:

• Commuting Contract: 3x1, 4x2, 6x2, 6x3, 8x2, 9x3,10x2

• Salary Average USD $9,466- $16,013 (NET) + Overtime

• Long Term Contract Renewable Contract

• Choice of base – Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Cam Ranh

• Loss of Income Insurance provided at no cost

• Accepting Captain, LTC, TRI, and TRE

• Immediate start dates available – we can Fast-Track your application!

• Discounts at International Schools in Vietnam – up to 65% off!

• Guaranteed travel on Vietnam Airlines network

• Life Insurance with Death Benefits

• Fast Process! Start Flying in no time!

• Opportunity to upgrade to Wide Body (A350/B787) or Instructor

• World Class Medical Insurance across the globe including your Home Country, USA & Canada FREE for kids see attached more detail

[ikon757]

salary has remained the same from 2016..no hike but just a various permutations and combinations in roster patterns

[fingerstyle]

OK guys,I know you may be interested in this Vietnam wonderland. As a 320 skipper for 3 years in VNA,I will share with you some info from inside.
1.STAY AWAY, if you are a 320 skipper.

2.DO NOT believe in 16xxx USD/month salary,it is BS. For a normal line captain,your salary (including everything such as renting allowance)begins at 10500 USD/month,thats it. This number has been fixed for more 7 years WITHOUT ANY increase. After you join,then every year you can expect a 1~2% increase in salary. Only 1~2% increase per year,BIG DEAL.

3.BS schedule,especially for expat. Yes,they do have LO in Japan/Korea,but that is mainly for local guys. As an expat,99% of your duty will be turn around flights. For an local,he flies 1 sector to JAPAN/KOREA,easy 5 hours in his logbook,and then he goes to hotel for 24 hours LO,and next day easy 5 hours in his logbook again for flying back to VN. And for you as an expat,you will be flying BS 4 domestic sectors in one day,duty time > 10 hours,tired as a dog,and then you only get 4~5 hours in your logbook. You get the same BS schedule again next day. You CAN expect LO over China airspace,for example,departure in midnight from VN,flying turn around flights to China,with duty time 10~12 hours,tired as a dog again.

4.BS quick upgrade to A350/787,DO NOT believe in this. First of all,you need to PAY for your training,its around 30000 USD for 320->350. And remember,“YOU PAY FOR THE TRAINING BUT THEY CAN FAIL YOU.”
DO NOT think you are paying so you are the boss,BIG NO. I know people got failed during 320->350 after paying for it.

5.DO NOT believe in 19xx USD bonus over the last 12 months. YES,i do get some bonus over the last 12 months,and each time the bonus is around 50~100 USD,so the total is more like 200~300 USD. 19xx USD my ASS.

6.Fly on you vacation for 120 USD/hour. You see why? Because so many expat are running away from this VN wonderland,so they want you to fly even on you vacation. 120 USD/hour,BIG DEAL! If you want money,why not go to China?

7.DO NOT believe in 8100 USD annual bonus,at least I have no idea where is mine,for 3 years in VNA.

8.DO BELIEVE in Easy Screening Process and HIGH passing rates. You should know the reason by now.

9.For 787/350 on type guys, its totally different. You are very welcome to join this VN wonderland.

10.STAY AWAY, if you are a 320 skipper.

[CM1A320]

the frustating element of vna is that nobody in management gives a shit, they are just milking the corruption cow.

that means that no improvements will ever be seen unless someone up there is making money from it.

they want to be a 5 star airline and are buying the cheapest interiors on all the planes, the cabin crew and ground staff take all the food and alcohol home.

and entires bussiness class smelling of cigarretes smoke from the cockpit and crew bunk beds.

local cabin crew and pilots have to pay management under the table money to get hired,

so the is no merit at all to work for them, no incentive to work and study to excel and be someone in the system,

its all about who do you know and how much money you have.

there are millions in waste, from improper fuel policies and procedures and poor pilot training and decision making.

etc etc etc. communism at work i guess.

[global gipsy]

I am working in Vietnam as well and I can confirm the last 2 posts are pretty accurate. The way they do business here will not change in the short-term because that's their culture at the moment. Nobody cares, not in VNA, not in VJ, not in Jetstar and not in Bamboo. Companies are milking cows for the management, either through cadet programs, captain upgrades, fleet transfers or instructor upgrades. But I think in the last few years they really went into overdrive. If someone doesn't need money and really wants to come to Vietnam then I guess 4/2 schedule in VNA is the best option, provided you don't need money and you don't care about anything else.
Airline business is no different than any other business in Vietnam, you pay - you can do. You do not pay - can not, can not.

[Sandysin]

DEC A320 assesment with VNA

I have completed VNA's skype interview and have been invited for a 30 minutes written test & sim evaluation in HCMC. Can any of my friends let me know what all is asked in written test as well as how is the sim evaluation done.
Thanks in advance.
Sandy

[PoyCNC]

Originally Posted by Sandysin

I have completed VNA's skype interview and have been invited for a 30 minutes written test & sim evaluation in HCMC. Can any of my friends let me know what all is asked in written test as well as how is the sim evaluation done.
Thanks in advance.
Sandy

Written test is multiple choice. Your agency should give you what questions to expect. Few were taken from the smartcockpit website. Sim few years back was take off, a failure that makes you lose FMS navigation and land in direct law. Takeoff and land in VVTS. Good luck!

[BAMBOOzled]

Just curious, when, if ever, does VNA plan to start routes to the US since it has achieved cat 1 status.

[Check2]

Hi Everyone

Would anyone know about the 20 Questions Monkey survey, candidates are asked to complete by Viet Jet?.

regards

[CM1A320]

VNA is a state owned white elefant used by the short term management to get rich, there is no vision no merit no pride. airplanes are dirty, staff takes the entire galley home, including alcohol cutlery and food.

Cabin crew and pilots have to pay their way in, proficient or not.
Flight to USA not a priority, management pilots and instructors smoke in the cockpit and in the crew bunks.
(Thats why many pilots love vna)
currently no fleet can reach USA without a polar route.

the influx of indian jet airways pilots stopped the salary increase that was expected.

Interview is a walk in the park, they are just checking that you can get along with the local culture.

brokers are saying that there are skyteam tickets, its not true, its only way is with china airlines from los Angeles to taipei.
thats it. There are no improved conditions, if anything people are working longer days for the same 10.8 of eternity, plus some pop corn every quarter.

its all about the pockets of management and brokers interact with those pockets.

the only incentive is flying happy passengers who are oblivious to the inner workings...

[BlackandWhite2000]

Originally Posted by CM1A320

VNA is a state owned white elefant used by the short term management to get rich, there is no vision no merit no pride. airplanes are dirty, staff takes the entire galley home, including alcohol cutlery and food.

All the statements from CM1A320 are confirmed.

If you can not fly without smoking in the cockpit, join VNA now! You are free to smoke in the cockpit the moment you enter it.

[ia1166]

Originally Posted by BlackandWhite2000

All the statements from CM1A320 are confirmed.

If you can not fly without smoking in the cockpit, join VNA now! You are free to smoke in the cockpit the moment you enter it.

nobody smokes in my cockpit. Not now, not ever.

Havent seen any jet airways pilots. Indigo, yes.

i dont do interviews, but anyone suffering line training by my hands does not get an easy ride. Or line checks for that matter.

Maybe try to just be a good line pilot. As per your contract. Cant see anywhere on my contract that critiquing the management is required, or appreciated.

[aspo]

Originally Posted by ia1166

nobody smokes in my cockpit. Not now, not ever.

Havent seen any jet airways pilots. Indigo, yes.

i dont do interviews, but anyone suffering line training by my hands does not get an easy ride. Or line checks for that matter.

Maybe try to just be a good line pilot. As per your contract. Cant see anywhere on my contract that critiquing the management is required, or appreciated.

Just curious, since when is line training supposed to be suffering. Do the trainers there make people suffer and call it being professional?

[wingdeagle]

Originally Posted by ia1166

nobody smokes in my cockpit. Not now, not ever.

Havent seen any jet airways pilots. Indigo, yes.

i dont do interviews, but anyone suffering line training by my hands does not get an easy ride. Or line checks for that matter.

Maybe try to just be a good line pilot. As per your contract. Cant see anywhere on my contract that critiquing the management is required, or appreciated.

ia1166: you alone are not Vietnam Airlines ! You and a few selected instructors are a positive exception, yet no matter how much you teach or fail the local pilots, they will get “retrained” by local instructors as early as next the day and signed off to go flying. It’s a well known fact and It’s a very flawed system.
No one smoked in my cockpit either when I was there, but the fact is that smoking is still going on on select flight decks and this too will never change.

CM1A320: some points are valid yet how this airline works, it’s purpose, how the locals get their jobs, catering etc. I would once again recommend to my fellow expat colleagues: unless it’s an operational, scheduling or pay issue to just mind your own business, go work, do what you are paid to do, go home and enjoy this beautiful country and all the good it has to offer.
Like any other country, Vietnam has it’s own ways and it’s own culture: this may seem odd and hard to understand for a foreigner. But if you are not happy with the way things work for one reason or the other, just leave. There is no sense to be miserable and bad mouth the company which is currently putting bread on your table.
Cheers and be safe out there.

[BAMBOOzled]

Originally Posted by wingdeagle

ia1166: you alone are not Vietnam Airlines ! You and a few selected instructors are a positive exception, yet no matter how much you teach or fail the local pilots, they will get “retrained” by local instructors as early as next the day and signed off to go flying. It’s a well known fact and It’s a very flawed system.
No one smoked in my cockpit either when I was there, but the fact is that smoking is still going on on select flight decks and this too will never change.

CM1A320: some points are valid yet how this airline works, it’s purpose, how the locals get their jobs, catering etc. I would once again recommend to my fellow expat colleagues: unless it’s an operational, scheduling or pay issue to just mind your own business, go work, do what you are paid to do, go home and enjoy this beautiful country and all the good it has to offer.
Like any other country, Vietnam has it’s own ways and it’s own culture: this may seem odd and hard to understand for a foreigner. But if you are not happy with the way things work for one reason or the other, just leave. There is no sense to be miserable and bad mouth the company which is currently putting bread on your table.
Cheers and be safe out there.

So I take it that galley staff do in fact take stuff home on ALL flights or at least a lot of them unlike smoking which according to some of you only occurs on some flight decks? Any known rumors on your end about US routes?