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Old 18th Mar 2018, 22:37
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Rumor has it...

So; I was told a large number of local pilots went to see management two months ago and threatened to leave for greener pastures; in the meeting the company offered a pay increase of $45; and supposedly now they are happy 🤣...

I find that hilarious...
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 04:42
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That is good enough to hold them back temporarily at US $45.00/hour. Like anybody else, nothing is permanent and they are qualified to find a "better fit" somewhere else especially in Vietnam with a booming Aviation Industry.
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 08:06
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You can tell the quality by the caav request that we please land on the correct runway recently.

Maybe a small bonus for correct runway landing would be a good idea. Along with a tech log signing payment.
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 10:29
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Have the locals just had a $45 / hour pay rise? Really?
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 07:59
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So; I was told a large number of local pilots went to see management two months ago and threatened to leave for greener pastures
Threaten to leave to where.... Vietjet ??

I am sure they can go many places with their CAAV lisence that belongs to Vietnam airlines... yes give me a break
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 09:14
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They are advertising for A350 captains now.
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 00:52
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New Tail Strike due to New Low hours FO!!!

Accident: Vietnam A321 at Hanoi on Apr 1st 2018, tail strike on landing
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 23:45
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Low hour FO should be no problem. He needs to learn. Problem in VNA is that there is almost nobody (except few expat instructors and maybe just 3 or 4 local instructors) to give that FO a proper training
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Old 8th Apr 2018, 21:54
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Originally Posted by Slarberg View Post
I’m sorry, but... I just can’t stop laughing...

One comment on the AvHerald page is SPOT ON: it IS the company and their superior over-lord leaders!
Well, they tried saving peanuts and it will cost them Elephants!
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 16:41
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... not so funny, anymore...

Well, yesterday the company sent out its monthly Fleet Bulletin, or what I like to call, it’s very own “freak-show-summary”.
As a result of the incident ALL flight ops, including training flights, are allowed using A/T on, except of course when A/T is not available due to MEL; then their “safety conscience” is not as important as on-time-performance. So, when the risk is requiered, it is allowed, but in normal operation a student, Captain or First Officer, are not getting the training requiered.
As this cost the job of an Expat Instructor who not only has been teaching at VNA for a VERY long time but I also highly respect for his skills as a mentor and teacher, I am especially disappointed in the managers as they are supposed to support their Instructors in cases like that and investigate what went wrong, not just apply blame, for it not happen again!
My question: who was the Sim-Instructor that signed the local First Officer off for line Training? Was he also fired? (I am saying HE because Vietnam has NO female instructors in aviation!).
Why was the severe lack of Manual flying skills not addressed at THAT stage already? Was it because he is the son of a management pilot (again)? Is it still ethically and culturally not right to critique a student early enough in training BEFORE he/she becomes a threat?
My point is, there is a SERIOUS problem with managing bad apples in this company, especially the local ones, but you, as an Expat, responsible for everything, are to sit quietly as this is not supposed to concern you!
As someone here said before, it’s a corrupt circus that won’t change...
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 00:59
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Originally Posted by VietJetPilot View Post
Well, yesterday the company sent out its monthly Fleet Bulletin, or what I like to call, it’s very own “freak-show-summary”.
As a result of the incident ALL flight ops, including training flights, are allowed using A/T on, except of course when A/T is not available due to MEL; then their “safety conscience” is not as important as on-time-performance. So, when the risk is requiered, it is allowed, but in normal operation a student, Captain or First Officer, are not getting the training requiered.
As this cost the job of an Expat Instructor who not only has been teaching at VNA for a VERY long time but I also highly respect for his skills as a mentor and teacher, I am especially disappointed in the managers as they are supposed to support their Instructors in cases like that and investigate what went wrong, not just apply blame, for it not happen again!
My question: who was the Sim-Instructor that signed the local First Officer off for line Training? Was he also fired? (I am saying HE because Vietnam has NO female instructors in aviation!).
Why was the severe lack of Manual flying skills not addressed at THAT stage already? Was it because he is the son of a management pilot (again)? Is it still ethically and culturally not right to critique a student early enough in training BEFORE he/she becomes a threat?
My point is, there is a SERIOUS problem with managing bad apples in this company, especially the local ones, but you, as an Expat, responsible for everything, are to sit quietly as this is not supposed to concern you!
As someone here said before, it’s a corrupt circus that won’t change...
Save face, save face, save face !!! Your questions answered, Vietjetpilot ? Save face above safety, ok ?
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 02:26
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Has the TRE lost his job?

Is that confirmed?
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 23:55
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
Has the TRE lost his job?

Is that confirmed?
He’s suspended by CAAV for now; broker expects him to “just be downgraded” to Captain, but I wouldn’t hold my breath...
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 23:59
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There is a lesson for all ex pat captains in there.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 12:36
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
There is a lesson for all ex pat captains in there.
And which lesson is that, aa1166 if you don't mind sharing ?
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 14:53
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Originally Posted by wingdeagle View Post
And which lesson is that, aa1166 if you don't mind sharing ?
What aa means it that you should start looking for greener pastures and take VNA as your last resort, if it is the last you have.
I agree with him, it is NOT a safe place to fly, and you need to have either a good lawyer or a thick skin here. And if you have thoughts about making this a career, it’s not a place to stay!
I hear somewhere they will change Fleet Managers (again); so everything will be happy-happy again, right?
The definition of insanity comes to mind...

I kinda feel for Cap. Son here; he’s good hearted but they put him in a crap position.
If you accept Instructor here, you WILL have political pressure to pass the sons of the management pilots, no matter how incompetent they are!
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 23:45
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Originally Posted by EagleA25 View Post
What aa means it that you should start looking for greener pastures and take VNA as your last resort, if it is the last you have.
I agree with him, it is NOT a safe place to fly, and you need to have either a good lawyer or a thick skin here. And if you have thoughts about making this a career, it’s not a place to stay!
I hear somewhere they will change Fleet Managers (again); so everything will be happy-happy again, right?
The definition of insanity comes to mind...

I kinda feel for Cap. Son here; he’s good hearted but they put him in a crap position.
If you accept Instructor here, you WILL have political pressure to pass the sons of the management pilots, no matter how incompetent they are!
I was alluding more to follow the sop strictly. As is stated in many many fsrs that are issued by the company.

Read the sop and apply it. Why fly ap athr off. That is what the sim is for. I dont agree with practicing abnormal procedures in the real aircraft is the way forward, so i dont. Never have, never will. Unless required by training.

Use apprpriate automation at all times. Its there in writing. If you take everything off, then prang it, you may be poorly placed.

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Old 13th Apr 2018, 23:48
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
I was alluding more to follow the sop strictly. As is stated in many many fsrs that are issued by the company. Also as captain you are tesponsible. As i said before with the static port incident.

Read the sop and apply it. Why fly ap athr off. That is what the sim is for.
And take over early maybe.

I was not alluding to what you said.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 23:59
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
And take over early maybe.

I was not alluding to what you said.
Honestly, if this was the uk the captain would be responsible too. They had a tail strike, with structural damage. Questions would be asked. Same with the dragon air 330 a little while back. The captain is responsible for the safe conduct of flight. End of story. Everything else is just mitigating circumstance. So maybe stop throwing mud around.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 00:21
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Originally Posted by VietJetPilot View Post
Well, yesterday the company sent out its monthly Fleet Bulletin, or what I like to call, it’s very own “freak-show-summary”.
As a result of the incident ALL flight ops, including training flights, are allowed using A/T on, except of course when A/T is not available due to MEL; then their “safety conscience” is not as important as on-time-performance. So, when the risk is requiered, it is allowed, but in normal operation a student, Captain or First Officer, are not getting the training requiered.
As this cost the job of an Expat Instructor who not only has been teaching at VNA for a VERY long time but I also highly respect for his skills as a mentor and teacher, I am especially disappointed in the managers as they are supposed to support their Instructors in cases like that and investigate what went wrong, not just apply blame, for it not happen again!
My question: who was the Sim-Instructor that signed the local First Officer off for line Training? Was he also fired? (I am saying HE because Vietnam has NO female instructors in aviation!).
Why was the severe lack of Manual flying skills not addressed at THAT stage already? Was it because he is the son of a management pilot (again)? Is it still ethically and culturally not right to critique a student early enough in training BEFORE he/she becomes a threat?
My point is, there is a SERIOUS problem with managing bad apples in this company, especially the local ones, but you, as an Expat, responsible for everything, are to sit quietly as this is not supposed to concern you!
As someone here said before, it’s a corrupt circus that won’t change...

Actually the fcom states use appropriate automation at all times. Fd athr off is a required item in the opc/lpc. You can have 1 resit under caav regulations to fly this within perscribed limits. If you cant, you fail the sim and need additional sim training to correct.

The procedures are in place to train and correct in the sim. Not the aircraft.

Additionally, if you had an abnormal in the real aircraft that required manual flight, i would assume the skipper would take control and fly it, as the most experienced pilot. So the fo would not need to do this anyway. Thats why they are the fo. Low experience. Once they are experienced and have a demonstrated high ability, they get promoted. Thats the whole concept.
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