Beijing PanAm - disrespect and humiliation of instructors
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hahaha
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that brings back a lot of memories
thank you whatisitthatthey
the lone ranger strikes again
the alamo hasnt ran out of ammo yet !
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that brings back a lot of memories
thank you whatisitthatthey
the lone ranger strikes again
the alamo hasnt ran out of ammo yet !
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whatisthathey you gotta realize, it's been said over and over again and it should have been obvious from the moment you signed that contract.. Chinese managers rarely support the foreign managers.. and that policy that HD wrote up was never authorized, just like 99% of the improvements that Pat, Howard, and other managers tried to implement. You can't blame good managers for trying to push improvements to moral, fatigue, and safety, however when those things conflict with the Chinese managers view of "work work work, no need for safety, just graduate students who cares how well they fly" then it's obvious the one who calls all the shots.. (Ahem Mr. Tu, the biggest LIAR i have ever met in the 25 years of my life) then you're gonna loose. If you think Mr. Ding was a brick wall when it came to company suggestions.. then Mr. Tu is the Great Wall of China.
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niga...?
what policy are we talking about here?
no more banked days?
is it supposed to be an incentive?
i notice the way the students are described as "products"
like cheap goods coming out of a factory ...
whatever the cost, no matter how badly you treat the people who work there, the factory has got to keep going 24/7 to keep the bosses happy
it doesnt matter if there are mid air collisions from time to time, or planes catching high power lines, the factory has got to keep delivering the goods so that the boss can buy himself a brand new BMW every 6 months
no more banked days?
is it supposed to be an incentive?
i notice the way the students are described as "products"
like cheap goods coming out of a factory ...
whatever the cost, no matter how badly you treat the people who work there, the factory has got to keep going 24/7 to keep the bosses happy
it doesnt matter if there are mid air collisions from time to time, or planes catching high power lines, the factory has got to keep delivering the goods so that the boss can buy himself a brand new BMW every 6 months
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Improvement!!?? What are you smoking tonight?
Dear nijiggajigga,
Please read again:
The instructors must be available to engage their students in a productive activity, even if we can't fly. That is what we are being paid to do. Additionally, all instructors will still be assigned 12 hour duty days.
hehe, yes it was an improvement. But in which direction
Maybe to please the Chinese managers...
12 hours duty day, what a joke.
Please read again:
The instructors must be available to engage their students in a productive activity, even if we can't fly. That is what we are being paid to do. Additionally, all instructors will still be assigned 12 hour duty days.
hehe, yes it was an improvement. But in which direction
Maybe to please the Chinese managers...12 hours duty day, what a joke.
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livin in the past
what i find hilarious is that this thread is now made up mostly of EX-panamer's (myself included)!! i left china in december of 2006 and yet cant seem to pull myself away from it! these pprune threads are more addictive than crack!!
one more thing, im currently going through a bit of a spat with revenue canada regarding my "overseas income" while in china. any canadians working there or who have worked there feel free to PM me to find out EXACTLY what is required by revenue canada so you dont have to pay canadian taxes on your chinese income.
one more thing, im currently going through a bit of a spat with revenue canada regarding my "overseas income" while in china. any canadians working there or who have worked there feel free to PM me to find out EXACTLY what is required by revenue canada so you dont have to pay canadian taxes on your chinese income.
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Hey, I just saw their ad on climbto350. They have some kind of sponsorship program for those without flight instructor's ratings. They must be desperate!
For the commercially rated pilots interested in obtaining a flight instructor rating:
The pilot who get the flight instructor rating in their country will be employed by BPIAA for one term of contract. BPIAA will reimburse qualified applicants for the cost of their rating after completion of the first contract. If interested in this sponsorship program and the job opportunity in China, please contact us for further details.
The pilot who get the flight instructor rating in their country will be employed by BPIAA for one term of contract. BPIAA will reimburse qualified applicants for the cost of their rating after completion of the first contract. If interested in this sponsorship program and the job opportunity in China, please contact us for further details.
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By X on PPRUNE about Panam:
Yes, I'm still "carrying my cross" over here in China
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=246851&page=2
By citationXtreme on PPRUNE about X:
Where were you when he was crucify?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=283450&page=9
X is JESUS!!!!
By X on PPRUNE:
But until you changed your perspective and way of looking at the world (the world REALLY DO NOT owed you a living!)
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=246851&page=2
By citationXtreme on PPRUNE:
The world do not owed you a living, neither does HD!
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=283450&page=9
The X battles:
By CitationXtreme on PPRUNE about X:
Sometimes we have to fight for the things we believe, but when you know no matter how hard you fight, you are fighting a losing battle, should you continue?
X is Jesus, he fight a losing battle, but remenber he do not owed you a living!!!!!!!
X and CitationXtreme the same LIAR, the same person.
By X on PPRUNE:
I really shouldn't be waisting my time writing comments on a message board. But, when my instructors are in the right, I will come to their defense at all costs. Maybe if Mexican Jack would have stuck around a little longer with this terrible company, he would be reaping some of the rewards I have now offered to my top instructors:
1. $2000.00 CASH bonus for completion of the first contract.
2. $1000.00 CASH bonus for each instructor referral that is hired.
3. $10.00 per hour bonus for each hour flown over 70 hours per month.
4. 2 days off with pay and a 200RMB gift certificate for superior evaluations.
5. FO program in 737 freight operations for company recommended instructors who complete 2 years with the company which includes a Type Rating.
6. Senior Instructor positions with a starting salary of $2200.00 per month.
The company has also announced the purchase of 3 Avanti aircraft for future 135 operations.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=246851&page=2
Please read again what he wrote: "Maybe if Mexican Jack would have stuck around a little longer with this terrible company, he would be reaping some of the rewards I have now offered to my top instructors:"
1. $2000.00 CASH bonus for completion of the first contract.
Who got that?
2. $1000.00 CASH bonus for each instructor referral that is hired.
Who got that?
4. 2 days off with pay and a 200RMB gift certificate for superior evaluations
Who got that?
5. FO program in 737 freight operations for company recommended instructors who complete 2 years with the company which includes a Type Rating.
The company has also announced the purchase of 3 Avanti aircraft for future 135 operations
Who got that?
Answer: nobody. Howard: LIAR, FAKE.
Do you want some more?
X wrote in a Panam email (01-01-07):
I negotiate with the leaders for promotions and salary increases. I fight for your time off. I fight to keep your jobs secure.
Our time off decreased after your arrival at PanAm, our pay increased after your departure.
Have a look, he wrote this email the 19-10-2006:
I believe President Y has been more than generous allowing weekends off during the stand down.
The "banked days" IS NOT part of the contractual agreement between PanAm and the employee. It is an incentive offered by the flight department to allow an extra work day in the schedule and accumulating up to 20 days per contract period for extra time off.
If the abuse of the system continues, I will have no alternative but to suspend the banked day policy. I hope it does not come to this, but my patience is wearing thin.
That how he fought for us
X wrote (31-12-2006) (about his girlfriend training in the Citation):
Not to worry Mr. Field....after receiving your email I have notified the
leaders, and I will be paying for her Type myself.
EX FED, CitationXtreme, ZBOW or die, Imotep, Harry pothead are the same person. Pay attention when you read their post, your are not supposed to know they are the same person.
In October 2006:
Ladies and Gentlemen:
The General Operations Manual is currently being revised. This manual will contain PanAm Policy and Procedures, Company Structure, Job Descriptions, Disciplinary and Administrative Actions, Emergency Response Procedures, and contact lists.
This publication will be made available to each employee. Revisions to the manual, as they occur, will be distributed to each employee. Each employee will be responsible for performing the revision and updating the list of effective pages.
General Manager / Director of Flight Training
Beijing PanAm International Aviation Academy
Who have seen this manual??????
Do you want some more? X and his friends (girl-)
X wrote the 01-11-06
Ladies and Gentlemen:
On October 31st, President Y formally announced and published my promotion to the level of Division Manager of Flight Training
Again who the fight?
the 01-11-2006 X wrote:
President Y has tasked me in structuring the tiers below me. This was a 2 week process where Mr. Y and I discussed what was needed to make the operation more efficient and safe. During our meetings, several people were considered for these positions and promotions, and the final results are now ready to publish. Effective immediately, the following personnel changes have been implemented.
General Manager - Flight Training Department I
He will assume the position of GM of Flight Training Department I. He will not be formally moved into this position until after Pat leaves in February due to the 2006 manning quota. Basically, he will be in training along side me during this transition period, such as I was with Pat. I will slowly be handing him some of my duties to take charge of. He is more than likely going to take charge of any base we may open in the U.S. when, and if, that time comes.
Manager / Flight Standards
30 days after, yes 30 days after that s the email we received:
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Due to the recent departure of and to the CE-525 training course, the following changes within the flight department have been made:
So we know now for who you were fighting. 30 days after having been nominated as MANAGER they were already back in US flying the CJ1... and the manager positions became available, what a quick change. and lucky guys right?
So now read again: This was a 2 week process where Mr. and I discussed what was needed to make the operation more efficient and safe.
Yes a 2 weeks process!!!! but after 30 days they were already flying the CJ1!
And at the same time far away from politics we were flying, we were doing the job...
X you wrote the 31-12-2006 (happy new year
):
There are going to be 3 others trained in March along with
and the Chinese pilots, providing you are willing to sign an
additional 18 month training contract
nobody else than your girlfriend were trained by March 2006.
Yes, I'm still "carrying my cross" over here in China
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=246851&page=2
By citationXtreme on PPRUNE about X:
Where were you when he was crucify?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=283450&page=9
X is JESUS!!!!
By X on PPRUNE:
But until you changed your perspective and way of looking at the world (the world REALLY DO NOT owed you a living!)
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=246851&page=2
By citationXtreme on PPRUNE:
The world do not owed you a living, neither does HD! http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=283450&page=9
The X battles:
By CitationXtreme on PPRUNE about X:
Sometimes we have to fight for the things we believe, but when you know no matter how hard you fight, you are fighting a losing battle, should you continue?
X is Jesus, he fight a losing battle, but remenber he do not owed you a living!!!!!!!
X and CitationXtreme the same LIAR, the same person.
By X on PPRUNE:
I really shouldn't be waisting my time writing comments on a message board. But, when my instructors are in the right, I will come to their defense at all costs. Maybe if Mexican Jack would have stuck around a little longer with this terrible company, he would be reaping some of the rewards I have now offered to my top instructors:
1. $2000.00 CASH bonus for completion of the first contract.
2. $1000.00 CASH bonus for each instructor referral that is hired.
3. $10.00 per hour bonus for each hour flown over 70 hours per month.
4. 2 days off with pay and a 200RMB gift certificate for superior evaluations.
5. FO program in 737 freight operations for company recommended instructors who complete 2 years with the company which includes a Type Rating.
6. Senior Instructor positions with a starting salary of $2200.00 per month.
The company has also announced the purchase of 3 Avanti aircraft for future 135 operations.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=246851&page=2
Please read again what he wrote: "Maybe if Mexican Jack would have stuck around a little longer with this terrible company, he would be reaping some of the rewards I have now offered to my top instructors:"
1. $2000.00 CASH bonus for completion of the first contract.
Who got that?
2. $1000.00 CASH bonus for each instructor referral that is hired.
Who got that?
4. 2 days off with pay and a 200RMB gift certificate for superior evaluations
Who got that?
5. FO program in 737 freight operations for company recommended instructors who complete 2 years with the company which includes a Type Rating.
The company has also announced the purchase of 3 Avanti aircraft for future 135 operations
Who got that?
Answer: nobody. Howard: LIAR, FAKE.
Do you want some more?
X wrote in a Panam email (01-01-07):
I negotiate with the leaders for promotions and salary increases. I fight for your time off. I fight to keep your jobs secure.
Our time off decreased after your arrival at PanAm, our pay increased after your departure.Have a look, he wrote this email the 19-10-2006:
I believe President Y has been more than generous allowing weekends off during the stand down.
The "banked days" IS NOT part of the contractual agreement between PanAm and the employee. It is an incentive offered by the flight department to allow an extra work day in the schedule and accumulating up to 20 days per contract period for extra time off.
If the abuse of the system continues, I will have no alternative but to suspend the banked day policy. I hope it does not come to this, but my patience is wearing thin.
That how he fought for us
X wrote (31-12-2006) (about his girlfriend training in the Citation):
Not to worry Mr. Field....after receiving your email I have notified the
leaders, and I will be paying for her Type myself.
EX FED, CitationXtreme, ZBOW or die, Imotep, Harry pothead are the same person. Pay attention when you read their post, your are not supposed to know they are the same person.
In October 2006:
Ladies and Gentlemen:
The General Operations Manual is currently being revised. This manual will contain PanAm Policy and Procedures, Company Structure, Job Descriptions, Disciplinary and Administrative Actions, Emergency Response Procedures, and contact lists.
This publication will be made available to each employee. Revisions to the manual, as they occur, will be distributed to each employee. Each employee will be responsible for performing the revision and updating the list of effective pages.
General Manager / Director of Flight Training
Beijing PanAm International Aviation Academy
Who have seen this manual??????
Do you want some more? X and his friends (girl-)
X wrote the 01-11-06
Ladies and Gentlemen:
On October 31st, President Y formally announced and published my promotion to the level of Division Manager of Flight Training
Again who the fight?
the 01-11-2006 X wrote:
President Y has tasked me in structuring the tiers below me. This was a 2 week process where Mr. Y and I discussed what was needed to make the operation more efficient and safe. During our meetings, several people were considered for these positions and promotions, and the final results are now ready to publish. Effective immediately, the following personnel changes have been implemented.
General Manager - Flight Training Department I
He will assume the position of GM of Flight Training Department I. He will not be formally moved into this position until after Pat leaves in February due to the 2006 manning quota. Basically, he will be in training along side me during this transition period, such as I was with Pat. I will slowly be handing him some of my duties to take charge of. He is more than likely going to take charge of any base we may open in the U.S. when, and if, that time comes.
Manager / Flight Standards
30 days after, yes 30 days after that s the email we received:
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Due to the recent departure of
and to the CE-525 training course, the following changes within the flight department have been made:So we know now for who you were fighting. 30 days after having been nominated as MANAGER they were already back in US flying the CJ1... and the manager positions became available, what a quick change.
and lucky guys right?So now read again: This was a 2 week process where Mr.
and I discussed what was needed to make the operation more efficient and safe.Yes a 2 weeks process!!!! but after 30 days they were already flying the CJ1!
And at the same time far away from politics we were flying, we were doing the job...
X you wrote the 31-12-2006 (happy new year
):There are going to be 3 others trained in March along with
and the Chinese pilots, providing you are willing to sign an additional 18 month training contract
nobody else than your girlfriend were trained by March 2006.
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You're probably the most mentally-challenged person I've ever seen on this forum...
You really think Howard has the maturity of an 8-year old, and making multiple accounts?
Leave the moderating work to the moderators and administrators of this forum.
And as a thought for this reply.. your so inside the closet you're entering Narnia. Do you have any idea what you're even talking about? All of those things you posted, were never approved by Chinese Management. Simon (from the UK) was sent to get his CJ type rating. Once he got to the states, Chinese management denied him and brought him back. Simon already has turbine time in similar aircraft. HD didn't make that decision. For having 2 CJ's, only 1 that works (so I've been told) do you really need more than 4 instructors? If your so anal about hanging around on the glipse hope of Pan Am letting you fly it, break a leg doing just that. You have a better chance of paying for your own 747 type rating and grabbing a job with a major airline than waiting for Pan Am to get you your type rating (on an aircraft probably no longer airworthy to fly). In addition to that, let me ask you this. How many instructor meetings have you had since the departure of HD? When I first got to BPIAA I had a meeting in SJZ every month, ran by HD. When HD was moved to Baotou, you know how many I had? Zero. I wasn't in Baotou but for 1 month before I moved to Wuhai. So tell me, has anyone actually held any type of effective meetings since HD's departure? Has anyone tried to implement new things (and actually had them approved by Chinese Management)? I left Pan Am 2 months ago... and not one thing was improved. Not safety, not financially, not ethically. It wasn't until a large amount of instructors headed off to Beijing for interviews for that Jordanian flight school did managers start getting their panties wet... Many valid complaints were brought up in that meeting. Know how many complaints were solved? If I recall correctly, just one. You have us to thank for getting them to install that big air conditioner in YOUR flight instructor office.
I would say at least 75% of the items brought up on that letter written by Derek had been brought up in that meeting, that's how I know they haven't been dealt with.
I say two things in my closing statements...
1) Read the fine print of your contract, and view the whole picture (not just your 1-sided opinion)
2) Pan Am loves you
You really think Howard has the maturity of an 8-year old, and making multiple accounts?
Leave the moderating work to the moderators and administrators of this forum.
And as a thought for this reply.. your so inside the closet you're entering Narnia. Do you have any idea what you're even talking about? All of those things you posted, were never approved by Chinese Management. Simon (from the UK) was sent to get his CJ type rating. Once he got to the states, Chinese management denied him and brought him back. Simon already has turbine time in similar aircraft. HD didn't make that decision. For having 2 CJ's, only 1 that works (so I've been told) do you really need more than 4 instructors? If your so anal about hanging around on the glipse hope of Pan Am letting you fly it, break a leg doing just that. You have a better chance of paying for your own 747 type rating and grabbing a job with a major airline than waiting for Pan Am to get you your type rating (on an aircraft probably no longer airworthy to fly). In addition to that, let me ask you this. How many instructor meetings have you had since the departure of HD? When I first got to BPIAA I had a meeting in SJZ every month, ran by HD. When HD was moved to Baotou, you know how many I had? Zero. I wasn't in Baotou but for 1 month before I moved to Wuhai. So tell me, has anyone actually held any type of effective meetings since HD's departure? Has anyone tried to implement new things (and actually had them approved by Chinese Management)? I left Pan Am 2 months ago... and not one thing was improved. Not safety, not financially, not ethically. It wasn't until a large amount of instructors headed off to Beijing for interviews for that Jordanian flight school did managers start getting their panties wet... Many valid complaints were brought up in that meeting. Know how many complaints were solved? If I recall correctly, just one. You have us to thank for getting them to install that big air conditioner in YOUR flight instructor office.
I would say at least 75% of the items brought up on that letter written by Derek had been brought up in that meeting, that's how I know they haven't been dealt with.
I say two things in my closing statements...
1) Read the fine print of your contract, and view the whole picture (not just your 1-sided opinion)
2) Pan Am loves you
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huh??
russherwood says,
"A lot of us here in PanAm are sick and tired of the infamous "Disrespect and Humiliation..." forum that is mostly run by ex-employees of PanAm who left over a year or more ago and depict a rather sad and dramatically skewed picture of this company.
From the above forum it appears that PanAm is the worse flight school in the world and other schools are absolutely perfect. A lot of us find it ridiculously incorrect and offensive. All flight schools have problems, positive and negative sides, although only, as said above, "mentally-challenged" will focus strictly on the negative sides and miss out the positive.
"
if you go back through this thread, youll find 12 posts by mr sherwood saying absolutely nothing good about panam. still tryin to wrap my head around this!!
"A lot of us here in PanAm are sick and tired of the infamous "Disrespect and Humiliation..." forum that is mostly run by ex-employees of PanAm who left over a year or more ago and depict a rather sad and dramatically skewed picture of this company.
From the above forum it appears that PanAm is the worse flight school in the world and other schools are absolutely perfect. A lot of us find it ridiculously incorrect and offensive. All flight schools have problems, positive and negative sides, although only, as said above, "mentally-challenged" will focus strictly on the negative sides and miss out the positive.
"if you go back through this thread, youll find 12 posts by mr sherwood saying absolutely nothing good about panam. still tryin to wrap my head around this!!
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I don't need to convince you of anything, nor do I need to define, elaborate, or go further into detail with my words.
Where am I? I'm flying for a Charter airline...
-Operated by EXPERIENCED managers
-Maintained by properly trained & certified FAA mechanics
-Flown with REAL AVGAS (100LL)
-Flown with ZERO standby's
-Flown within 2 miles of military traffic (KC135 low alt flyby, C130 low alt flyby, F16's ILS approach
-Flown within 2 miles of commercial traffic on arrival (Northwest A330, 747-200, Asiana A321, Continental Express ATR42, Air China 737-800 and more)
You want hard facts? You are a 6-year old sissy. Your one-sided views do nothing but show those unfortunate pprune readers how little your ability to understand the sole fact that Chinese management RARELY supported any decisions made by Howard, Pat, Justin, Ron, Toshi, Noel, Peter, Mattieu, Jonathon, Philip, and any standards instructor.
I should whack you upside the face with my reality bat..
And where in the world did you comprehend that I went out and got my own 747 type rating? I never said I did, nor did I even come close to offering the slightest glimpse of implying that.
No wonder why you can't understand my posts... your head is too clouded with falsifications by instructors who do not have the capabilities to see the whole picture, rather they fall into the category of those who blame and point fingers, instead of those like Derek Butler who try to improve the school... all of those people I mentioned above, and you can throw my name in there as well.. as well as Tony Soloman, Robin, and everyone else who opened Wuhai (including myself), all of those people who were BS'ed around in Handan waiting for that base to open fit into that category. I bet you have no idea how they were treated in Handan. Don't come to me telling me I don't know the facts. I get my information from the majority of instructors who I still remain good friends with... try doing the same, instead of drawing your conclusions based on the opinions of ill-informed instructors.
Where am I? I'm flying for a Charter airline...
-Operated by EXPERIENCED managers
-Maintained by properly trained & certified FAA mechanics
-Flown with REAL AVGAS (100LL)
-Flown with ZERO standby's
-Flown within 2 miles of military traffic (KC135 low alt flyby, C130 low alt flyby, F16's ILS approach
-Flown within 2 miles of commercial traffic on arrival (Northwest A330, 747-200, Asiana A321, Continental Express ATR42, Air China 737-800 and more)
You want hard facts? You are a 6-year old sissy. Your one-sided views do nothing but show those unfortunate pprune readers how little your ability to understand the sole fact that Chinese management RARELY supported any decisions made by Howard, Pat, Justin, Ron, Toshi, Noel, Peter, Mattieu, Jonathon, Philip, and any standards instructor.
I should whack you upside the face with my reality bat..
And where in the world did you comprehend that I went out and got my own 747 type rating? I never said I did, nor did I even come close to offering the slightest glimpse of implying that.
No wonder why you can't understand my posts... your head is too clouded with falsifications by instructors who do not have the capabilities to see the whole picture, rather they fall into the category of those who blame and point fingers, instead of those like Derek Butler who try to improve the school... all of those people I mentioned above, and you can throw my name in there as well.. as well as Tony Soloman, Robin, and everyone else who opened Wuhai (including myself), all of those people who were BS'ed around in Handan waiting for that base to open fit into that category. I bet you have no idea how they were treated in Handan. Don't come to me telling me I don't know the facts. I get my information from the majority of instructors who I still remain good friends with... try doing the same, instead of drawing your conclusions based on the opinions of ill-informed instructors.
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you know what i miss the most about china? the extensive use of the word "maybe"! i swear thats the first word they learn in english due to its remakable versatility.
"maybe next week..."
"maybe we get air conditioning..."
"maybe you get pay raise..."
"I fry solo today sir...?"
"maybe not!"
"maybe next week..."
"maybe we get air conditioning..."
"maybe you get pay raise..."
"I fry solo today sir...?"
"maybe not!"
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With the students I had, their most over-used words where..
-Sorry Sir
-Okay Sir
Remarkably both words would be used repetitively during flight training, and the more times they made the same mistakes over and over again, the amount of "Sorry and Okay" were used....
But I do admit I used "maybe" quite a bit... generally answering students questions regarding if we can fly today or not... (although they would get a better answer form dispatch since dispatch never told flight instructors what was going on).
-Sorry Sir
-Okay Sir
Remarkably both words would be used repetitively during flight training, and the more times they made the same mistakes over and over again, the amount of "Sorry and Okay" were used....
But I do admit I used "maybe" quite a bit... generally answering students questions regarding if we can fly today or not... (although they would get a better answer form dispatch since dispatch never told flight instructors what was going on).
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haha
i had one student who would repestedly say "ya" every time i tried to explain something to him.
"ya,ya,ya,ya,ya"
"do you understand?"
"ya,ya,ya,ya,ya"
"what did i just say?"
"uh, haha, sorry no understand"
ah good times, that guy was hilarious!
"ya,ya,ya,ya,ya"
"do you understand?"
"ya,ya,ya,ya,ya"
"what did i just say?"
"uh, haha, sorry no understand"
ah good times, that guy was hilarious!
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grow up man
youre going to fault howard for "apparently" trying to find another job while still with panam!! i didnt know that while under contract with panam you werent allowed to seek other employment, i must have missed that in my contract.
so what youre saying is that you should give your entire life to panam and NEVER look for other employment?
so you arent looking on climbto350 and other such websites for what your going to do when youre done at panam?
honestly man your personal attacks against howard are starting to border on the rediculous with regards to their substance.
so what youre saying is that you should give your entire life to panam and NEVER look for other employment?
so you arent looking on climbto350 and other such websites for what your going to do when youre done at panam?
honestly man your personal attacks against howard are starting to border on the rediculous with regards to their substance.
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Hey! Hey! Hey!
I'll say it - JESUS CHRIST, this thread is ridiculous. Whatisthathey, I sware man, you need help.
What airline, in their right mind, would even think about hiring anyone from BPIAA after reading this sht?
As a Class Manager, I sat in numerous meetings with the Chinese leaders. All that crap you posted in those emails were sent to everyone, man. Do you think Howard just woke up one morning and decided to print all that crap? He didn't have the authority without the Chinese approving it. Get a life, man. I heard the lies and rebuttals myself - they promised, Howard announced, they split. Simple math, man.
I don't see how anyone at that academy can even stand to be around you. You need to get out of there before you croke!!!
And I'll answer Nijajigga's question by posing another - exactly what airline do you work for?
Blue Skies
What airline, in their right mind, would even think about hiring anyone from BPIAA after reading this sh
t?As a Class Manager, I sat in numerous meetings with the Chinese leaders. All that crap you posted in those emails were sent to everyone, man. Do you think Howard just woke up one morning and decided to print all that crap? He didn't have the authority without the Chinese approving it. Get a life, man. I heard the lies and rebuttals myself - they promised, Howard announced, they split. Simple math, man.
I don't see how anyone at that academy can even stand to be around you. You need to get out of there before you croke!!!
And I'll answer Nijajigga's question by posing another - exactly what airline do you work for?
Blue Skies
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Grow up my friend!
Hahahahaha, first and foremost, I am not flying the CJ... and no I am not Howard either. You have too much time in your hand and perhaps watching the Emily Rose DVD over and over again too many times! 
When you start using names, it says a lot about your family upbringing! 
You do not know how to respect others and obviously feels bitter that you did not get to do the CJ type-rating? Good thing you did not get selected, you just don't have IT! You claimed that instructors at Pan Am flew 10 hours a month? If you are one of them, then you are one of those that took Pan Am and the students for a ride? Ahhh... you are one of those that will find every reasons to stay in your room and think how to justify to the world and more importantly, to yourself for being such a loser? go get a life my friend! 
oh? you start being blasphemous too? Do not use the name Jesus to vent your anger. Please be objective and professional and have some respect for the many christian that are also reading your crap! You seems to know nothing about Jesus, so do not use His name that way, okay? There were many others that were crucify before Jesus, and along with Jesus. You really need to get over the fact that you are nothing but a SORE LOSER! This is so sad! Yes, HD did fight, he fought for all of us against the Chinese Management, and you have no idea how many times we see him feeling so beaten, do what the Chinese want, so that he can recover and buy himself time to fight another day? HD do not have to work for BPIAA, he can get any job anywhere anyday. He stood his ground to protect all of us (including you!) until he can fight no more. My friend, over here, if you are trying to do something right, you will not last long. That was what they did to PM, to HD, and to whoever that is trying to do the RIGHT THINGS! Posting emails that was instructed by the Chinese on Pprune was so unprofessional and childish. Funny thing too, I never save any of those emails because I know they do not actually come from HD but from the Chinese through HD. I have deleted them long time ago. No wonder you could not move forward, how could you when you are still holding on to the past and crying and blaming everyone but yourself. Did you have the blls to speak up like DB? What have you done for BPIAA, fellow instructors or yourself? Sorry, I understand your frustration and pain but posting emails here? you are a child!
When you start using names, it says a lot about your family upbringing! You do not know how to respect others and obviously feels bitter that you did not get to do the CJ type-rating? Good thing you did not get selected, you just don't have IT! You claimed that instructors at Pan Am flew 10 hours a month? If you are one of them, then you are one of those that took Pan Am and the students for a ride? Ahhh... you are one of those that will find every reasons to stay in your room and think how to justify to the world and more importantly, to yourself for being such a loser? go get a life my friend! oh? you start being blasphemous too? Do not use the name Jesus to vent your anger. Please be objective and professional and have some respect for the many christian that are also reading your crap! You seems to know nothing about Jesus, so do not use His name that way, okay? There were many others that were crucify before Jesus, and along with Jesus. You really need to get over the fact that you are nothing but a SORE LOSER! This is so sad! Yes, HD did fight, he fought for all of us against the Chinese Management, and you have no idea how many times we see him feeling so beaten, do what the Chinese want, so that he can recover and buy himself time to fight another day? HD do not have to work for BPIAA, he can get any job anywhere anyday. He stood his ground to protect all of us (including you!) until he can fight no more. My friend, over here, if you are trying to do something right, you will not last long. That was what they did to PM, to HD, and to whoever that is trying to do the RIGHT THINGS! Posting emails that was instructed by the Chinese on Pprune was so unprofessional and childish. Funny thing too, I never save any of those emails because I know they do not actually come from HD but from the Chinese through HD. I have deleted them long time ago. No wonder you could not move forward, how could you when you are still holding on to the past and crying and blaming everyone but yourself. Did you have the blls to speak up like DB? What have you done for BPIAA, fellow instructors or yourself? Sorry, I understand your frustration and pain but posting emails here? you are a child!
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yes i could not agree more with whatisthatthey...
furthermore, yes this thread is most interesting
far from trying to get skeletons out of the closet, this thread actually explains why the situation is so bad in Panam now
anyone who has worked at panam for some time and who has an impartial mind just knows that Texas Super Man did nothing to improve
in fact he made things worse by telling one thing to the chinese and its contrary to us
he just kept firing his guns in all directions with no apparent aim
the only thing he achieved was more chaos, more confusion and dissentions among the pilots
incompetence and ignorance have prevailed under the reign of Cowboy I
promoting people one day, revoking them the next
I think that HE is the emotional 8 year old
furthermore, yes this thread is most interesting
far from trying to get skeletons out of the closet, this thread actually explains why the situation is so bad in Panam now
anyone who has worked at panam for some time and who has an impartial mind just knows that Texas Super Man did nothing to improve
in fact he made things worse by telling one thing to the chinese and its contrary to us
he just kept firing his guns in all directions with no apparent aim
the only thing he achieved was more chaos, more confusion and dissentions among the pilots
incompetence and ignorance have prevailed under the reign of Cowboy I
promoting people one day, revoking them the next
I think that HE is the emotional 8 year old
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Which Spanish guy are you talking about?
I only remember 2.. one of them who got it up the bumhole several times by Chinese management is now flying for either a Scottish or Irish company.. I can't remember if it's an airline or a flight school.. I think there was only 3 Spaniards.. I only met 2...
I only remember 2.. one of them who got it up the bumhole several times by Chinese management is now flying for either a Scottish or Irish company.. I can't remember if it's an airline or a flight school.. I think there was only 3 Spaniards.. I only met 2...
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There were many many Spaniards. Another also left to work for Lufthansa Flight School in Croatia or something. M is flying a B737 in Spain. You probably wont know them.