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Hi Guys
I see the recruitment agencies are still advertising for capt and f/o.
Just wandering with the pending staff cuts at JAL ( CNN says a number of staff) if anyone has any idea if this will affect recruitment.
I know JAL and ANA are different companies , however thats not my concern. I am worried about Japanese pilots being made redundant. It would be very hard for a Japanese company to justify expats if there are Japanese without work. Any thoughts , corrections ?
Thanks , paperwork is in the pipeline.
I see the recruitment agencies are still advertising for capt and f/o.
Just wandering with the pending staff cuts at JAL ( CNN says a number of staff) if anyone has any idea if this will affect recruitment.
I know JAL and ANA are different companies , however thats not my concern. I am worried about Japanese pilots being made redundant. It would be very hard for a Japanese company to justify expats if there are Japanese without work. Any thoughts , corrections ?
Thanks , paperwork is in the pipeline.
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It's impossible to say anything definite. After all, who can imagine any other country where the aviation authority interferes so much with how an airline actually conducts its business, rather than sticking to its job of looking after safety. Add that to the government sticking its nose into every aspect of a private company and you can see it's pretty difficult saying something will or won't happen.
However, the rumour mill has two optimistic predictions. One is the ANA pilots union's dislike of all things JAL. It has been said that they would much rather have western pilots flying ANA aircraft than the Japanese pilots of JAL. This is third hand but allegedly from a very experienced Japanese ANA pilot, with a finger in the union pie. Who knows how true or false but this is a rumour network!
The second offering is that AJV still requires another 80 pilots. We've got another 2 aircraft arriving this year and then the final one of 11 arrives early next year. Couple that with HND's runway expansion, ANA's increase in slots at both NRT and HND and the (at last) arrival of the 787 at the end of the year (with ANA mainline pilots disappearing off onto that, leaving a mini-vacuum on the 767) and you've certainly got potential to see the continued requirement for AJV pilots.
I'm quietly confident (okay, not even that quietly) that things will continue as they are and AJV will keep recruiting. Sure, things are going to change a little with the combining of AJV/AJX but intially this will be mainly management personnel and will not affect the pilots too much. Eventually this will go the way our employers wish it to but, fingers crossed, the figures will have continued to go up and we'll all be happy bunnies again, just more efficient as a result of the recession.
However, the rumour mill has two optimistic predictions. One is the ANA pilots union's dislike of all things JAL. It has been said that they would much rather have western pilots flying ANA aircraft than the Japanese pilots of JAL. This is third hand but allegedly from a very experienced Japanese ANA pilot, with a finger in the union pie. Who knows how true or false but this is a rumour network!
The second offering is that AJV still requires another 80 pilots. We've got another 2 aircraft arriving this year and then the final one of 11 arrives early next year. Couple that with HND's runway expansion, ANA's increase in slots at both NRT and HND and the (at last) arrival of the 787 at the end of the year (with ANA mainline pilots disappearing off onto that, leaving a mini-vacuum on the 767) and you've certainly got potential to see the continued requirement for AJV pilots.
I'm quietly confident (okay, not even that quietly) that things will continue as they are and AJV will keep recruiting. Sure, things are going to change a little with the combining of AJV/AJX but intially this will be mainly management personnel and will not affect the pilots too much. Eventually this will go the way our employers wish it to but, fingers crossed, the figures will have continued to go up and we'll all be happy bunnies again, just more efficient as a result of the recession.
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Pray for Jal so they get out of the deep **** fellas because if they let them fail we won't see round eyes flying in Japan no more. It is not a matter of ANA liking Jal' pilots or not, it is simply common sense, there is no way to justify gaijins taking these positions while hundreds of J's are in the street.
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easy question?
It's not easy to identify the numerous reasons for an Airline bankruptcy in our own countries (where suspensively we know the economic scenarios, management, background, strategic investments... etc), let alone try to predict what will be the future for the a big Airline like JAL and their pilots ... crossing the fingers JAL will keep them all!
... but looking at the global scenario an easy question came out ... in the same country how can a Major file for bankruptcy and other Companies/Majors in the same country constantly increase their fleet, pilots pool, revenue ... etc?
... but looking at the global scenario an easy question came out ... in the same country how can a Major file for bankruptcy and other Companies/Majors in the same country constantly increase their fleet, pilots pool, revenue ... etc?
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One had piss poor management and the other one did not. There was a quote in one of the newspapers today from a retired JAL pilot. It was something like "If I had a gun I would find all of the CEOs from the last 20 years and shoot them in the head."
JAL originated as a state carrier and when they were privatized, neither JAL management or the government really understood what that meant. So JAL spent money like it was going out of style buying everything from golf courses to laundry companies, and the government "encouraged" them to fly to places that didn't make financial sense.
ANA on the other hand never was a state owned company and has tried to run a business that made financial sense.
JAL originated as a state carrier and when they were privatized, neither JAL management or the government really understood what that meant. So JAL spent money like it was going out of style buying everything from golf courses to laundry companies, and the government "encouraged" them to fly to places that didn't make financial sense.
ANA on the other hand never was a state owned company and has tried to run a business that made financial sense.
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Whom truely has the right of employment ?
As there would be those that believe anything management would tell you as a contractor, there may be as many as 1000 very experienced local airline pilots out of work for a very long time that could probably create an interesting time for the contractors.
Your issues for continued employment may include paying some tax bill that gets deliveried to you as you get off a flight for the time flying Japanese aircraft generating income, or some other government action which you will probably see just as amusing to your continual flying in Japan.
These unemployed professional Japanese airline pilots will make things financially interesting for those whom do not hold a Japanese passport and paying their taxes.
Your issues for continued employment may include paying some tax bill that gets deliveried to you as you get off a flight for the time flying Japanese aircraft generating income, or some other government action which you will probably see just as amusing to your continual flying in Japan.
These unemployed professional Japanese airline pilots will make things financially interesting for those whom do not hold a Japanese passport and paying their taxes.
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For whatever its worth. The Japanese papers are reporting that bankruptcy does not give an employer the right to terminate employment contracts with employees. If this is true, then it is unlikely any Japanese non-contract employees will find themselves involuntarily out of work.
If that indeed is the case in this situation, I would assume that anybody that leaves JAL will do so voluntarily and with a nice separation package. I would also assume that there will be very little political or social pressure to ensure that these people are integrated into another airline such as ANA, after leaving JAL voluntarily with a nice chunk of change that has indirectly come from the government coffers.
Generally speaking, I would be surprised if too many pilots who are not nearing retirement age would be interested in accepting such an offer....
All that to say.... I wouldnt expect a long line of furloughed Japanese pilots from JAL looking for work just yet....
If that indeed is the case in this situation, I would assume that anybody that leaves JAL will do so voluntarily and with a nice separation package. I would also assume that there will be very little political or social pressure to ensure that these people are integrated into another airline such as ANA, after leaving JAL voluntarily with a nice chunk of change that has indirectly come from the government coffers.
Generally speaking, I would be surprised if too many pilots who are not nearing retirement age would be interested in accepting such an offer....
All that to say.... I wouldnt expect a long line of furloughed Japanese pilots from JAL looking for work just yet....
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Whom truely has the right of employment ?
As there would be those that believe anything management would tell you as a contractor,
For whatever its worth. The Japanese papers are reporting that bankruptcy does not give an employer the right to terminate employment contracts with employees. If this is true, then it is unlikely any Japanese non-contract employees will find themselves involuntarily out of work.
If that indeed is the case in this situation, I would assume that anybody that leaves JAL will do so voluntarily and with a nice separation package. I would also assume that there will be very little political or social pressure to ensure that these people are integrated into another airline such as ANA, after leaving JAL voluntarily with a nice chunk of change that has indirectly come from the government coffers.
Generally speaking, I would be surprised if too many pilots who are not nearing retirement age would be interested in accepting such an offer....
All that to say.... I wouldnt expect a long line of furloughed Japanese pilots from JAL looking for work just yet....
If that indeed is the case in this situation, I would assume that anybody that leaves JAL will do so voluntarily and with a nice separation package. I would also assume that there will be very little political or social pressure to ensure that these people are integrated into another airline such as ANA, after leaving JAL voluntarily with a nice chunk of change that has indirectly come from the government coffers.
Generally speaking, I would be surprised if too many pilots who are not nearing retirement age would be interested in accepting such an offer....
All that to say.... I wouldnt expect a long line of furloughed Japanese pilots from JAL looking for work just yet....
Current state at ANA:
ANA continues with a very aggressive expansion plan and as many of you know they just reinstated an order for additional 777's and 767's the 767 order was specially interesting because they had decided a while back not to get any more and they had changed their 767 options for 787's but they went ahead and placed a new order for 767's and as they have expressed to us, the 767's will remain a viable platform for their operations for years to come. As contract pilots we realize that our employment is based on their needs and not based on personal relationships or even political environment. ANA is still on a deficit of pilots with the attrition of 100 pilots a year and the hiring of only about 50-60 new recruits per year, and this is just attrition, it does not include the new frames that are coming in the next few years. The preliminary information was that they would reduced the hiring for 2010 and see their needs after the reintegration of AJV/AJX but the news that we are getting now is that they will still need to keep hiring throughout 2010, The January class will be the last separate class for both companies and the March class will be a combined class for the new company, the integration will be completed by fall of 2010. As long as this contract will last, a month or a decade. I think I speak for the majority here, we will continue to enjoy a great gig and a great working environment and I for one will gladly release my seat in a month or in a decade to the Japanese national to which this seat really should belong to, when that day comes (again, in a month or in a decade) I will leave the company with a sense of gratitude and I will wish them well, because I think that ANA is a great organization with great professionals and they deserve their time as Asia's premier airline because they have worked hard for it.
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Great post by the Dominican, especially usefull to applicants considering coming here. I agree, it's a great gig and I also recognised the Chameleon!
If ANA takes JAL people, I would hate to see incidents like the nose wheel being shattered on a 767 at Haneda.
In AJV we are saying goodbye to one of our local pilots, we wish him well and safe return to ANA!
If ANA takes JAL people, I would hate to see incidents like the nose wheel being shattered on a 767 at Haneda.
In AJV we are saying goodbye to one of our local pilots, we wish him well and safe return to ANA!
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Who's that Meguro? I'm obviously out of the loop and haven't heard the latest. PLEASE tell me it begins with an 'N', ends in an 'A' and he's handy with the thrust levers on FOs' approaches 
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Wow Dominican are you sucking up for a training position?
No? then I submit to you the Air Nippon (737 contract with ANA) pilot group as a rebuttal, that entire pilot group has been given notice that their contracts will not be renewed and all of them will have to look for new employment, I'm happy to say that they are being offered interviews here at AJV/AJX contracts and a couple of them are scheduled to start training in March. Now I challenge you to find a single post in this or any other pilot forum from any of those pilots speaking negatively of ANA or blaming the Japanese pilot's union as you saw with the JAL debacle.
I'm happy to say that there are pilots in this business that do not think like you, I'm certainly one of them
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It is, however, a subsidiary.
The company was founded by ANA, Japan Airlines and TOA Domestic as Nippon Kinkyori Kōkū (日本近距離航空?, lit. Japan Short-Distance Airline) in March 1974 and started operations on 10 October 1974. The name Air Nippon was adopted in 1987, and the abbreviation ANK comes from the full, somewhat redundant name Air Nippon Kabushiki kaisha (lit. Air Nippon joint stock corporation.).[citation needed]
As part of ANA's reorganisation, Air Nippon's domestic operations are being consolidated into the main airline. ANA and Air Nippon used different liveries and IATA codes on domestic flights until April 2004, when Air Nippon adopted ANA livery and ANA flight numbers. As an ANA subsidiary, it is considered a full Star Alliance member. However, on Republic of China flights before April 2008, Air Nippon's IATA code EL was still used due to political reasons and these flights are not considered being Star Alliance flights.[citation needed]
(From Wikipedia)
The company was founded by ANA, Japan Airlines and TOA Domestic as Nippon Kinkyori Kōkū (日本近距離航空?, lit. Japan Short-Distance Airline) in March 1974 and started operations on 10 October 1974. The name Air Nippon was adopted in 1987, and the abbreviation ANK comes from the full, somewhat redundant name Air Nippon Kabushiki kaisha (lit. Air Nippon joint stock corporation.).[citation needed]
As part of ANA's reorganisation, Air Nippon's domestic operations are being consolidated into the main airline. ANA and Air Nippon used different liveries and IATA codes on domestic flights until April 2004, when Air Nippon adopted ANA livery and ANA flight numbers. As an ANA subsidiary, it is considered a full Star Alliance member. However, on Republic of China flights before April 2008, Air Nippon's IATA code EL was still used due to political reasons and these flights are not considered being Star Alliance flights.[citation needed]
(From Wikipedia)
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