Air Japan (AJX) B767

[Taylor01]

Just curious to talk to anyone that works for either ANA or JP Express on the 767. I recently got the letter from Parc on the Nov. screening and I have alot of questions. Thank you for any help.

[Brontebound]

I got the same letter. I guess that means the interview is on. No info on the interview just a very tough medical.

[NG_Kaptain]

Me too. Trying to decide if to go or pass. Hate the idea of six months ATP classes and no positive space travel home on days off. They need to look at KAL's contract.

[Twin2040]

Also got mail from PARC today - also keen to learn more - good or bad? Living expences? Thanks.

[NG_Kaptain]

If they would only improve their travel package I'd be gone in a flash. Just offer a confirmed business class ticket home for the days off. KAL is recruiting on the 737's as is Air India Express.

[NG_Kaptain]

If only ANA could match KAL's T&C.

[Kisarazu]

Check out this web site for flying in Japan:

http://japanpilots.19.forumer.com/

[The Dominican]

Does anybody know the pay during training? I just sent them an E-mail asking about it, it would be pretty hard to spend six months without salary. I read somewhere that they pay you a salary from the get go. Any info on this regard?

[NG_Kaptain]

For the 767 its $9192 per month in training plus $44 per day when in Tokyo.
http://www.hawaiiaviation.com/positi...anb767capt.htm
This is on Hawaiian Aviations website.
I'm still trying to decide, the six months ATP ground school is painful .

[The Dominican]

Originally Posted by NG_Kaptain

For the 767 its $9192 per month in training plus $44 per day when in Tokyo.
http://www.hawaiiaviation.com/positi...anb767capt.htm
This is on Hawaiian Aviations website.
I'm still trying to decide, the six months ATP ground school is painful .

Can't think of it that way. ATP is just one aspect of the whole deal, just think of the culture, the arts, the experience of thinking from a different point of view. The challenge of immerse yourself in a different language and the broader view you'll have of this world.

By the end of the 5 year contract, The ATPL and command time on the 767 will seem insignificant in relation to the large scheme of things

[CaptainProp]

So, its easy to see how much hawaii is paying but how about Parc? Any info?
/CP

[NG_Kaptain]

This is the PARC package for the cargo 767, pax is more or less the same.

Captain: A gross Salary per month pro rata of ;
Year 1 = 10,452.00 USD Including Training
Year 2 = 11,845.00 USD
Year 3 = 12,034.00 USD
Year 4 = 12,248.00 USD
Year 5 = 12,479.00 USD

A contribution into a Pension fund managed by Parc Aviation of 870.72 USD per month pro rata.
In addition to above salary a contract completion bonus of USD 30,000 will be paid plus interest at the end of the 5 year assignment period.

In addition a living allowance of USD 44 per day shall be payable to each crew member during his training period in Tokyo. After the training period a fixed per diem of 884 USD per month pro rata will be paid.






First Officer: A gross Salary per month pro rata of ;
Year 1 = 7,002.00 USD Including Training
Year 2 = 8,218.00 USD
Year 3 = 8,541.00 USD
Year 4 = 8,730.00 USD
Year 5 = 8,870.00 USD

A contribution into a Pension fund managed by Parc Aviation of 550.72 USD per month pro rata.
In addition to above salary a contract completion bonus of USD 18,000 will be paid plus interest at the end of the 5 year assignment period.

[CaptainProp]

Ah, thanks for that info! I was lead to believe that PARC "always" paid more then other contract agencies, but looks like the Hawai contracts are quite a bit better on pay....are there other "things" to concider when compareing these companies, or are they both ok?

/CP

[NG_Kaptain]

Those are the figures sent to me by PARC for the JP Express 767 contracts. I never applied for the Dash-8 job.
I'll paste the T &C for Air Japan . Hope that clears it up.

OPERATOR Air Japan (AJX)
BASE (Training)
(Operations) Tokyo, Japan
Designated base
Osaka or Tokyo
REQUIREMENT Pilots to be trained on B767 by Air Japan for use by Air Japan in conducting Air Japan flights
COMMENCEMENT DATE October 2006
A screening process in Tokyo to include:
(i) Interview/simulator
(ii) Medical
DURATION 5 years.
Training estimated 6/7 months and will be carried out at the ANA training centre Tokyo.
REMUNERATION PACKAGE A structured remuneration package compromising:
Captain: A gross Salary including flight pay per month pro rate of:
Training = 8,308.00 USD and then 9,192.00 USD for the remainder of year 1
Year 2 = 9,832.00 USD
Year 3 = 9,983.00 USD
Year 4 = 10,153.00 USD
Year 5 = 10,337.00 USD
A contribution into a Pension fund managed by Parc Aviation of 870.72 USD per month pro rata
In addition to above salary a contract completion bonus of USD 30,000 will be paid plus interest at the end of the 5 year assignment period.
First Officer: A gross Salary including flight pay per month pro rata of ;
Training = 6,162.00 USD and then 7,046.00 USD for the remainder of year 1
Year 2 = 8,122.00 USD
Year 3 = 8,408.00 USD
Year 4 = 8,575.00 USD
Year 5 = 8,769.00 USD
A contribution into a Pension fund managed by Parc Aviation of 550.72 USD per month pro rata.
In addition to above salary a contract completion bonus of USD 18,000 will be paid plus interest at the end of the 5 year assignment period.
BLOCK HOURS 70 hours per month - subject to a maximum of 100 hours in 30 days. Hours in excess of 70 hours per month will be paid at the rate of one seventh (1/70) of the basic monthly salary per hour or part thereof.
DAYS OFF
(1) TRAINING
(2) OPERATIONS 2 days per week.
Basically 10 days granted consecutively free of duty per month.
ACCOMMODATION
(1) TRAINING
(2) OPERATIONS Hotel accommodation in Tokyo for the full duration of the Training Period. In addition a living allowance of USD 44 per day shall be payable to each crew member during this period in Tokyo.
(i) Single room hotel accommodation at layover stations other than the designated base of operations.
(ii) At base single room hotel accommodation on specific rostered standby duties.
(iii) An accommodation allowance of
USD 500 per month at Osaka/Tokyo base. Pilots will be required to pay for accommodation at operating base. In the event of exceeding 120 nights in Japan per year (excluding standby duties) USD 50 for each additional night will be paid.

[MrSlapHead]

Just eavesdropping here but is the designated base of ops NRT indefinitely or will you be able to nominate a different base on the network?

[ishi59]

salary scales

Management at AJX/AJV has been implementing different salary scales over the past few years, "B" scale and maybe even "C" scale now, so newer intakes are being paid less, hence the discrepency. NG Captain is probably most correct

[CaptainProp]

OK, but then one would be quite a bit better off (on pay at least) with Hawaii...However, Hawaii does not want to tell all the facts (see new thread on 767 contracts) on their contracts...So where to go?? Are they really getting enough people to (as ishi59 says) create new, lower scales?? As far as I can remember these contracts have been on offer for a loooong time now ie indicating that they need more/are not getting enough people....
/CP

[NG_Kaptain]

Most likely the later, not getting enough. Besides the pay, which isnt bad, the travel and per diems arent that good. If they want more applicants I think they will at least make the commute easier. The two days travel shouldn't count on your off days and the travel should be positive space business class anywhere on ANA's network. To make it worth my while to go and live in a culture much different to what I'm accustomed to they should improve their packages, there are a lot of good international contracts out there.

[NG_Kaptain]

I suggest you view ishi59's public profile and click on his posts. Those threads will give you a good indicator about the ANA group and different people's feelings and experiences with the different 767 operators.

[The Dominican]

Does anybody know the tax situation in Japan? Do you still pay Japan income taxes either though you do not reside in Japan?