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Old 9th May 2018, 11:45
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I could be wrong but line integration on the transition period (the mid month mark) and the Christman Holiday allocation is more of a factor into some of the ideas being floated around with bidding, rather than some mainline guy that earns 400K a year being envious.

But I admit that lately I've been keeping the finger off the pulse.....
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Old 10th May 2018, 00:09
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ANA pilots requested the same days off selection protocols that AJX have, the catch was, they wanted to keep their generous layover conditions of two local nights etc. ANA said no.
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Old 10th May 2018, 02:09
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Okay, given TD's firm grasp of the non-essential and seizing on a trivial point that makes absolutely no difference to my original reply, I'll try again with the offending words removed. As you see, the rest of the post is unaffected:

Back to back means you can join one month's days off onto the next. So, for instance, you could have last 14 days of June (10 days off + 2 commuting days + 2 vacation days) and add them to the first 14 days of July (or even more if you have other vacation days to use.....of your 24 per year). You will, of course, then have to make up that time by spending longer in Japan and could find yourself 5-6 weeks away from home. Some people do this a lot in order to reduce the jet lag by having two commutes and, also, saving one commute and getting $2000.

As has been said all along, probably the best bit of this whole contract is the flexibility of the days off and long may it continue because it is the only thing that is keeping some people here. AJX management realise this but there is continuous pressure for them to gain more control of the days off and they would like nothing better to have set blocks and/or allocate time off. If this ever happened then I would certainly be on the next flight out of Japan with many others but that doesn't mean they won't keep nibbling away.

And kind of on that subject, yes it is true that AJX requires an absolute minimum of 9 hours for you to rest before a duty, having commuted into work. BUT they are being very generous in allowing that and it is absolutely imperative that people don't abuse it or muck it up for everyone else by not managing their inbound flights or getting sufficient rest before a duty. The contract call for you to commute into Japan on the last day off and they could enforce that if anybody screwed up. The original 'alleviation' was put there so that Oz commuters could arrive early (before 0600) on the first day of duty because to arrive the day before would mean leaving the day before that i.e. a day off instead of a commuting day. It is not meant to be there as a free-for-all to push the limit. I say all this because you should not plan to come to AJX based on getting in to Japan with minimum time to spare. As with all 'privileges' be it staff travel, days off, extra payments etc there will always be some ******** who spoils it for everyone else. You should plan on that ******** doing exactly that and the 9 hour 'alleviation' not being an option in order to best compare your time off. In other words, plan for the worst and hope for the best.
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Old 10th May 2018, 02:36
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Many thanks to all of you who has been wrote very useful and helpful information about AJX especially Fratemate, Dominican and other currently working pilots in AJX. I read pretty much every threads from the begining and they are all super meaningful to me and helped my decision to whether or not I apply this position.
Oh by the way, with regarding to Fratemate last comments, what does ‘Oz’ commuters mean?? [/left]
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Old 10th May 2018, 20:59
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Originally Posted by Goteze11 View Post
Many thanks to all of you who has been wrote very useful and helpful information about AJX especially Fratemate, Dominican and other currently working pilots in AJX. I read pretty much every threads from the begining and they are all super meaningful to me and helped my decision to whether or not I apply this position.
Oh by the way, with regarding to Fratemate last comments, what does ‘Oz’ commuters mean??

​​​​​OZ = Australia
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Old 12th May 2018, 16:26
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Does anyone just stay in Japan on their days off if they can independently get residency? Does Air Japan frown upon this at all?

If you were to make your home somewhere reasonably near Narita airport how much time could you spend at home during your working period? Do you have to be a certain distance away in case of last minute call outs?
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Old 12th May 2018, 21:41
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Originally Posted by drop24 View Post
Does anyone just stay in Japan on their days off if they can independently get residency? Does Air Japan frown upon this at all?

If you were to make your home somewhere reasonably near Narita airport how much time could you spend at home during your working period? Do you have to be a certain distance away in case of last minute call outs?
You could stay in Japan on days off if you wanted. No need for residency. Air Japan has no idea if you are here or not, unless you tell them. Many people have apartments or houses in Narita and several are renting apartments in Tokyo.

Right now they have no set distance on sitting standby. (I personally think that is a mistake, but that is just me) However if you come in on a shore pass then you are limited to the Narita/Tokyo area. If you want to go explore the outer areas on days off you need to enter on passport.
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Old 12th May 2018, 23:54
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Thanks for the info. How much time are you spending on standby typically? Also, how many overnights are you typically getting at Narita during your monthly days on?
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Old 13th May 2018, 00:19
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one is required to report for duty, no later than 2 hours after being called out on standby. (source, some obscure office policy document, issued about 13 years ago)
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Old 13th May 2018, 08:05
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Originally Posted by gtseraf View Post
one is required to report for duty, no later than 2 hours after being called out on standby. (source, some obscure office policy document, issued about 13 years ago)
Yes, another one of those obscure "rules" that we are supposed to know and abide by. It's amazing how many of those keep popping up in the last two years.

Standby's per month vary. Some months you will not have any. Other months, like this one for me, you will have 6 of them. Nights in NRT vary also. You can count on being there 2 nights every 7 days since you have to have the 1 day off. There just really is no set amount of standby or nights in NRT.
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Old 14th May 2018, 07:45
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Quick question regarding the ATPL licence....I am currently an F/O on the A320, and in my country (EASA member state) I am unable to attain a full ATPL until I do my P1 Cpt on the type I am rated on.

As such, I would like to know if it is possible to go through the whole AJX selection process with provision of attaining a full ATPL (at my own expense) before the start date if I am successful. Has anyone been in the same position as me?
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Old 14th May 2018, 09:43
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@Varig

Can you not unfreeze it with your next lpc/opc? I just had to do a raw data ils. It should be a tick in the box.

I guess you need to have it before starting the application?
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Old 14th May 2018, 11:42
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Originally Posted by VarigMD11 View Post
Quick question regarding the ATPL licence....I am currently an F/O on the A320, and in my country (EASA member state) I am unable to attain a full ATPL until I do my P1 Cpt on the type I am rated on.

As such, I would like to know if it is possible to go through the whole AJX selection process with provision of attaining a full ATPL (at my own expense) before the start date if I am successful. Has anyone been in the same position as me?
I'd say the Japanese are very strict about their requirements, so they probably won't accept your application without a full ATPL.
But I'd recommend sending a message to CAE Parc or CrEW, they should be able to confirm that for you.
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Old 15th May 2018, 09:06
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By the way, are those with native English and “All Nippon” call sign actually Air Japan pilots? Or does ANA recruit expat pilots as well?
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Old 15th May 2018, 11:52
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Yes.

No.

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Old 16th May 2018, 05:20
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Not correct!

You're not paid by Air Japan, you're paid by the contracting agency. You are paid gross and it is up to you to sort out your tax. The number of days we stay in Japan does not affect AJX one iota because they have nothing whatsoever to do with our salary or our tax apart from giving the agencies the money to pay us.

We have Japanese with JCAB ATPLs flying for AJX i.e. NOT Mainline ANA. They are hired by the same contracting agencies as non-Japanese. They are also paid gross and expected to take care of their own tax affairs.

What you're saying may apply to other contracts where the company pays the pilots directly. This is NOT the case with AJX, so what you've said is incorrect for this situation.
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Old 16th May 2018, 18:51
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Been following for awhile, and I have read the entire thing so please forgive me if the answers are embedded somewhere in the history.
  • Can your spouse/family also live in Japan? If not "sponsored" by Air Japan are there other options, such as self sponsor, sponsored by spouse, by "fake company" or only through employment?
  • Do they extend medical and travel benefits to your spouse/family?
  • How long are present times to upgrade? Know it can vary, but maybe someone can provide some historical data, or has some foresight into the future?
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Old 17th May 2018, 08:20
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I'm finding it difficult to think of any AJX families living in Japan where at least one of the husband or wife are not Japanese. That's not to say there aren't but I can't think of any off the top of my head. Some guys have had their wives/girlfriends (not at the same time) staying in Japan for a long period but I think they normally come in on a tourist visa, as opposed to any sort of residential visa. I know nothing of the sponsorship schemes since I wouldn't subject my family to living in Japan.

ZED travel is open to your spouse/close family in accordance with the 'normal' industry standard. In other words, wife, kids, parents etc bit not your uncle Bob.

Medical depends on which contract company you use. Crew have got the best medical package and it is worth prioritising them if you apply because that package is worth a lot. It includes your family and everyone I've spoken to who has cause to use it has been impressed. Not so, Parc. Their use if BUPA Global does the job most of the time but there are plenty of horror stories where guys are having to pay bills themselves and then having to chase BUPA for non-payment etc. NOT what you need when you're off sick. Parc also has an 'excess' payment of GBP200/year and you have to pay extra if you want to include family. It is a vastly inferior package to Crew.

Nothing has changed really with upgrades. They're still assessing at around the 3.5 year mark and slotting in courses shortly thereafter. It doesn't seem to worry them being overborne by captains and there's no specific strategy to split 50/50. Being able to fly captain/captain actually allows them flexibility in having more 4 stripes than 3. I think it will be at least 3 years (possibly more) in the seat before we see any FOs go from right to left on the 787. I don't think ANA Mainline yet have a 787 upgrade program so we'll really be behind the curve on that score. Not that it will concern new joiners for the time being.....maybe in 7 years or so .........maybe
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Old 18th May 2018, 11:13
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Not sure where that rumour came from Fratemate. ANA have had an upgrade programme on the 787 for many years, just like any other fleet. They also have 2 upgraded female captains on the 787 now.
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Old 19th May 2018, 13:59
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Haha, it actually came from one of our Japanese 'management' captains, so that is definitely stupidity on my part listening to him. I had also heard of the two female captains, so should have joined up the dots instead of transmitting the evident rubbish from one of our 'betters'
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