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Excellent that’s good then. I was just asking because within Europe you can only have one licence from one country. If you have a German licence you need to renounce to it when you get say a Spanish licence. But that’s because they are both within EASA I guess. I just asked to be sure. Thanks
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Hey guys,
Thanks for a sencirely amazing forum. I’m an F/O at a US regional and I’ve been considering applying for the 767 gig for a while now.
Something that was touched on before but I wanna confirm, what’s the upwards movement like? Honestly I want to do the super long passenger legs ideally in the 787 and I don’t mind putting in my time in a 767 but if I’m going to be stuck doing freight my career there it might be a deal breaker.
thanks again folks!
Thanks for a sencirely amazing forum. I’m an F/O at a US regional and I’ve been considering applying for the 767 gig for a while now.
Something that was touched on before but I wanna confirm, what’s the upwards movement like? Honestly I want to do the super long passenger legs ideally in the 787 and I don’t mind putting in my time in a 767 but if I’m going to be stuck doing freight my career there it might be a deal breaker.
thanks again folks!
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Hey guys,
Thanks for a sencirely amazing forum. I’m an F/O at a US regional and I’ve been considering applying for the 767 gig for a while now.
Something that was touched on before but I wanna confirm, what’s the upwards movement like? Honestly I want to do the super long passenger legs ideally in the 787 and I don’t mind putting in my time in a 767 but if I’m going to be stuck doing freight my career there it might be a deal breaker.
thanks again folks!
Thanks for a sencirely amazing forum. I’m an F/O at a US regional and I’ve been considering applying for the 767 gig for a while now.
Something that was touched on before but I wanna confirm, what’s the upwards movement like? Honestly I want to do the super long passenger legs ideally in the 787 and I don’t mind putting in my time in a 767 but if I’m going to be stuck doing freight my career there it might be a deal breaker.
thanks again folks!
My question to you though. As a US pilot why would you want to come here with the hiring environment at home right now? You will make more money and have a better retirement in the US.
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Honestly I really want the opportunity to go live and work outside the US. I figure I’m 26, no spouse or kids, now is the time to do it. And if I dint like it im only committed to 5 years.
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Ok one word, seniority!
Get a job with a major now and come here later, not the other way around. Get a number and then explore the world on Leave of absence.
Respectfully
HD
Get a job with a major now and come here later, not the other way around. Get a number and then explore the world on Leave of absence.
Respectfully
HD
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I have been working at a major airline in Canada for the past 12+. I have been a wide-body Captain for 7+. I have put in the time for my company to get up to a comfortable spot where I can have great choice of schedule. I still have 24 years to go before I retire.I typically work between 6 to 9 days a month doing trans-Atlantic flights to great European destinations. My family and I live in Japan. Thanks to my employer, I still keep my seniority, union protection and great paycheck. I found that this is the best life for me and my family. So here is what you can do: Get a job at a major Airline in the US.Build seniority, then, explore or move to anywhere in the world you want, while keeping your job in your country of origin...
Works well for me!
Gambatte!
Nio
Works well for me!
Gambatte!
Nio
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Daddy when I looked at this job last year the people at Longreach said I wouldn’t need to do ALL the JCAB exams as I hold an Australian and HK ATPL. As usual you have to do their law exams and maybe one other but I can’t remember. I doubt they would have changed this rule in the past 12 months but you never know. Give one of the recruiting firms a call or send an email, they are very helpful as their bottom line relies on filling seats.
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You'll spend the first couple of weeks in the classroom preparing for the air law and radio exams. You will be adequately coached to pass. After that you'll do your 767 ground school (assuming you're not type rated) and there's an exam for that. There are various minor exams throughout the rest of training, as there would be with any other airline e.g. performance. So long as you do a reasonable amount of studying you'll have no problems. During the simulator training you'll do your type rating test and then the ATPL test. After that they'll give you 10 days off while they sort out your licence with JCAB and then you start your route training/IOE/line training/OJT (delete as required).
Your entire training will take around 6-7 months. During this time the company will pay for your family to travel to Japan once and they provide 7(?) nights of hotel accommodation for them. After that, assuming you're married, your wife will get another free ticket to come to Japan but no hotel the second time round (unless it's changed since I did it). AJX will provide an apartment while you're in Tokyo doing your training and then accommodate you in the MyStays Hotel in Narita during OJT. During this time it's entirely up to you if your family visits or stays. So long as they don't exceed the days limit on the tourist visa they can stay with you. I would suggest it's probably not a good idea in the very beginning as you'll need to put in a bit of work and it's likely to be better without distractions. After that, however, it's up to you.
Your entire training will take around 6-7 months. During this time the company will pay for your family to travel to Japan once and they provide 7(?) nights of hotel accommodation for them. After that, assuming you're married, your wife will get another free ticket to come to Japan but no hotel the second time round (unless it's changed since I did it). AJX will provide an apartment while you're in Tokyo doing your training and then accommodate you in the MyStays Hotel in Narita during OJT. During this time it's entirely up to you if your family visits or stays. So long as they don't exceed the days limit on the tourist visa they can stay with you. I would suggest it's probably not a good idea in the very beginning as you'll need to put in a bit of work and it's likely to be better without distractions. After that, however, it's up to you.
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You'll spend the first couple of weeks in the classroom preparing for the air law and radio exams. You will be adequately coached to pass. After that you'll do your 767 ground school (assuming you're not type rated) and there's an exam for that. There are various minor exams throughout the rest of training, as there would be with any other airline e.g. performance. So long as you do a reasonable amount of studying you'll have no problems. During the simulator training you'll do your type rating test and then the ATPL test. After that they'll give you 10 days off while they sort out your licence with JCAB and then you start your route training/IOE/line training/OJT (delete as required).
Your entire training will take around 6-7 months. During this time the company will pay for your family to travel to Japan once and they provide 7(?) nights of hotel accommodation for them. After that, assuming you're married, your wife will get another free ticket to come to Japan but no hotel the second time round (unless it's changed since I did it). AJX will provide an apartment while you're in Tokyo doing your training and then accommodate you in the MyStays Hotel in Narita during OJT. During this time it's entirely up to you if your family visits or stays. So long as they don't exceed the days limit on the tourist visa they can stay with you. I would suggest it's probably not a good idea in the very beginning as you'll need to put in a bit of work and it's likely to be better without distractions. After that, however, it's up to you.
Your entire training will take around 6-7 months. During this time the company will pay for your family to travel to Japan once and they provide 7(?) nights of hotel accommodation for them. After that, assuming you're married, your wife will get another free ticket to come to Japan but no hotel the second time round (unless it's changed since I did it). AJX will provide an apartment while you're in Tokyo doing your training and then accommodate you in the MyStays Hotel in Narita during OJT. During this time it's entirely up to you if your family visits or stays. So long as they don't exceed the days limit on the tourist visa they can stay with you. I would suggest it's probably not a good idea in the very beginning as you'll need to put in a bit of work and it's likely to be better without distractions. After that, however, it's up to you.
If I did do this job I would want my family with me as I have a 1 year old so I would not be prepared to not see her or hardly see her over a 6 to 7 month period.
I understand the pressures of a type rating as I have done a few but to me not seeing my family would just not be worth it. So as long as they have no issues with me having my family there I would take a look.
Do you have to start on the 767 or can you go straight to the 787?
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Hi. Been following ANAs post for some time.
Was disappointed to see their requirement for NTR Captains with Non JCAB license. Have well over 6000 + hrs but PIC time is only 3000+. I don't understand their logic - how does one acquire 4500 hrs Jet PIC time with 6000 hrs TT? Are there any chances of lowering their PIC requirement?
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Was disappointed to see their requirement for NTR Captains with Non JCAB license. Have well over 6000 + hrs but PIC time is only 3000+. I don't understand their logic - how does one acquire 4500 hrs Jet PIC time with 6000 hrs TT? Are there any chances of lowering their PIC requirement?
Cheers
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Daddy
Would suggest you have a decent look at previous posts as they cover this...and the Japanese mentality does not change.
You are there to serve the company, your family concerns are pleasant but inconsequential.
You are there to complete THEIR requiements, your desires/needs are inconsequential.
Your want/need to confront them about a family issue is the start of the slippery slope of being "unsuitable"...if the slippery slope hasn't already been started for any number of reasons during training to date.
Worked in Japan for another operator but believe the mentality is consistent, happy to be corrected if all of a sudden happy/cuddly/fluffy has become a thing in corporate Japan.
And straight onto the 787? Interesting delusion I would have thought.
Cheers.
Would suggest you have a decent look at previous posts as they cover this...and the Japanese mentality does not change.
You are there to serve the company, your family concerns are pleasant but inconsequential.
You are there to complete THEIR requiements, your desires/needs are inconsequential.
Your want/need to confront them about a family issue is the start of the slippery slope of being "unsuitable"...if the slippery slope hasn't already been started for any number of reasons during training to date.
Worked in Japan for another operator but believe the mentality is consistent, happy to be corrected if all of a sudden happy/cuddly/fluffy has become a thing in corporate Japan.
And straight onto the 787? Interesting delusion I would have thought.
Cheers.
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No work around!
We seem to be going in circles on this thread.
There is a lot of good information on T&C, quality of life etc. in this thread.
How ever the issue of training and specifically the length of training keeps popping up in various questions and theories about possible workarounds.
Forget it people, there is no way around it. This is a very good gig and the price af admission is 6-8 month in Tokyo/Narita getting used to the lokal way of doing things, typed and checked to line.
I realize this can be difficult to grasp if one works someplace where a type rating can be done in 2 weeks, but thats not the case here.
My advise for anyone interested in this job is to sit down with Your loved ones and find out if You have the support to do this.
Sincerely
HD
There is a lot of good information on T&C, quality of life etc. in this thread.
How ever the issue of training and specifically the length of training keeps popping up in various questions and theories about possible workarounds.
Forget it people, there is no way around it. This is a very good gig and the price af admission is 6-8 month in Tokyo/Narita getting used to the lokal way of doing things, typed and checked to line.
I realize this can be difficult to grasp if one works someplace where a type rating can be done in 2 weeks, but thats not the case here.
My advise for anyone interested in this job is to sit down with Your loved ones and find out if You have the support to do this.
Sincerely
HD
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Your time will get you in the door/get you the gig if all else goes well.
After that your time is worthless as not in a Japanese aircraft operating to Japanese procedures and standards.
It is inferior experience and flying.
You will do a full endorsement process to Japanese standard - whatever exactly that is - whether typed or not.
Just the way it is, their trainset, like it/accept it or don't take the ride.
Above post by HD hits nail firmly on head.
Your time will get you in the door/get you the gig if all else goes well.
After that your time is worthless as not in a Japanese aircraft operating to Japanese procedures and standards.
It is inferior experience and flying.
You will do a full endorsement process to Japanese standard - whatever exactly that is - whether typed or not.
Just the way it is, their trainset, like it/accept it or don't take the ride.
Above post by HD hits nail firmly on head.
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Well then...
Daddy
Would suggest you have a decent look at previous posts as they cover this...and the Japanese mentality does not change.
You are there to serve the company, your family concerns are pleasant but inconsequential.
You are there to complete THEIR requiements, your desires/needs are inconsequential.
Your want/need to confront them about a family issue is the start of the slippery slope of being "unsuitable"...if the slippery slope hasn't already been started for any number of reasons during training to date.
Worked in Japan for another operator but believe the mentality is consistent, happy to be corrected if all of a sudden happy/cuddly/fluffy has become a thing in corporate Japan.
And straight onto the 787? Interesting delusion I would have thought.
Cheers.
Would suggest you have a decent look at previous posts as they cover this...and the Japanese mentality does not change.
You are there to serve the company, your family concerns are pleasant but inconsequential.
You are there to complete THEIR requiements, your desires/needs are inconsequential.
Your want/need to confront them about a family issue is the start of the slippery slope of being "unsuitable"...if the slippery slope hasn't already been started for any number of reasons during training to date.
Worked in Japan for another operator but believe the mentality is consistent, happy to be corrected if all of a sudden happy/cuddly/fluffy has become a thing in corporate Japan.
And straight onto the 787? Interesting delusion I would have thought.
Cheers.
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I understand your family concerns, but looking at your rant on the other threads (777/787 common type), your attitude and personality are completely unsuitable to work for the Japanese. Good luck if you do apply.
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Broomstick Flyer,
If you're type rated on the 767 then you will be able to do the shorter course IF they manage to pair you up with another type rated pilot. Basically you don't have to do the 767 groundschool or the systems trainer thing (an FMC trainer etc) and you don't do the type rating exam or sim check ride. You will train for the ATPL check only, although it is all the same stuff. In all you save approximately 3 weeks to 1 month.
DF,
No, you can't go straight to the 787. In fact nobody is going to the 787 at the moment because they've suspended the conversions courses while they try and get their engines sorted out. It doesn't matter to ANA that they will have to type rate you on the 767 and then the 787 later. There are plenty of people ahead of you to convert and they will do that according to the date of joining. At the moment you can't even bid to convert for the first year.
As far as bringing your family is concerned, nothing has changed form the previous advice I gave you. You could have them in the apartment during the initial training and then in the hotel during your OJT. Only you will know if that arrangement will work but if you expect them to pay for an extra room in the hotel or give you any preferential treatment because you have a baby in Japan then forget it. As far as they are concerned they are providing you with accommodation during training....which is not an unreasonable approach to take. As for their attitude towards family; well, they're certainly a bit different but if you want to work in their country then you put up with the way they do things. Japanese men live to work and many of them think we are the same. Most of the Japanese pilots assigned to AJX understand the difference but the general Japanese populace wouldn't have a clue that their thinking is not the same as everywhere else. If I had a one year-old with me then I wouldn't even mention it to them. Just get on with the training and no-one will be any the wiser. Of course, if those living arrangements do affect your performance then they will not make any allowance for the fact that you chose to have your family there and nor should they.
If you're type rated on the 767 then you will be able to do the shorter course IF they manage to pair you up with another type rated pilot. Basically you don't have to do the 767 groundschool or the systems trainer thing (an FMC trainer etc) and you don't do the type rating exam or sim check ride. You will train for the ATPL check only, although it is all the same stuff. In all you save approximately 3 weeks to 1 month.
DF,
No, you can't go straight to the 787. In fact nobody is going to the 787 at the moment because they've suspended the conversions courses while they try and get their engines sorted out. It doesn't matter to ANA that they will have to type rate you on the 767 and then the 787 later. There are plenty of people ahead of you to convert and they will do that according to the date of joining. At the moment you can't even bid to convert for the first year.
As far as bringing your family is concerned, nothing has changed form the previous advice I gave you. You could have them in the apartment during the initial training and then in the hotel during your OJT. Only you will know if that arrangement will work but if you expect them to pay for an extra room in the hotel or give you any preferential treatment because you have a baby in Japan then forget it. As far as they are concerned they are providing you with accommodation during training....which is not an unreasonable approach to take. As for their attitude towards family; well, they're certainly a bit different but if you want to work in their country then you put up with the way they do things. Japanese men live to work and many of them think we are the same. Most of the Japanese pilots assigned to AJX understand the difference but the general Japanese populace wouldn't have a clue that their thinking is not the same as everywhere else. If I had a one year-old with me then I wouldn't even mention it to them. Just get on with the training and no-one will be any the wiser. Of course, if those living arrangements do affect your performance then they will not make any allowance for the fact that you chose to have your family there and nor should they.