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Old 30th Sep 2017, 06:46
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They can hardly ease the FO requirements any further. And yes classes are full.
We have attrition but that will end when the last American leave, they are pretty much the only ones with better options at home.
AJX will never have enough pilots, as soon as we are getting close, ANA will give us more flying, because we are the cheap labour
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 09:53
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they are pretty much the only ones with better options at home.
Your location is shown as Cloud 7 so I am not sure if you are aware but in Australia there is a very healthy demand for pilots. Even first jet jobs. Qantas is recruiting for the first time in about ten years and Virgin is now recruiting for 737 FO spots which has not happened for a few years either. Virgin also want people for NZ and VARA in WA.

So there are plenty of better options "at home". No sign of recruitment slowing either.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 10:50
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I stand corrected, if You can get a Qantas slot, I agree that's a better deal!
Other than that I can only observe that most new hires are Aussies and they never leave, go figure.
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The pay at Air Japan on the surface looks better even after tax than the Aussie jobs.
Expenses whilst in Japan on the other hand may change the balance.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 15:40
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Originally Posted by heavydane
They can hardly ease the FO requirements any further. And yes classes are full.
We have attrition but that will end when the last American leave, they are pretty much the only ones with better options at home.
AJX will never have enough pilots, as soon as we are getting close, ANA will give us more flying, because we are the cheap labour
Actually there are quite a few number of Qantas guys who will be leaving within the next year from what I hear.

Also, from what I hear, the current class only has 3 people in it. Is that considered full?

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Old 1st Oct 2017, 00:43
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Well the fact that they have added a retention bonus last month based on five years there speaks volumes. Companies throw money at problems, they don't give you a bonus because they are nice people. Market forces always win in the end,
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 03:48
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Originally Posted by heavydane
They can hardly ease the FO requirements any further. And yes classes are full.
We have attrition but that will end when the last American leave, they are pretty much the only ones with better options at home.
AJX will never have enough pilots, as soon as we are getting close, ANA will give us more flying, because we are the cheap labour
To be honest this is a very good point. ANA surely is the main airline and focus, Air Japan is there for buffer and to cover some of the routes as they become available to give away. If you look at it from this standpoint it makes sense to keep recruiting non stop and up the money a bit if they really need to. It doesn't have to be perfect but it's probably good enough.

I would say that's not applicable to Peach because the expansion of the airline and low cost sector is extremely dependent on having enough crew and being able to recruit them (ryanair would be a good example of this) as you get new frames. They don't seem too worried or in a rush on that side either though, so there you go. And in all honesty there's only so much an lcc can offer before going over the budget anyways.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 16:41
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Originally Posted by J3CubGuy
I have been very interested in AJX for the last 2 years and I have been building my time. I live on Guam with my Japanese wife and I travel to Japan on a monthly basis. I would like to live in Japan full time. I am currently a Captain on an ATR42 flying in Micronesia for Cape Air as United Express. I have just over 3000 hours TT 1500 121 and around 150 hours pic in 121 turbine. the web sight says no prop time. Is that a hard core no go? Do i have a chance without jet time? Have the hired anyone without Jet time. I really don't want to quit my job just to get 500 jet time.

thanks!
Why don't you apply for the DHC-8 Q400 DEC job with ANA Wings out of Itami?
This position is on the CREW website and I think you qualify.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 21:58
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My unsolicited 2 cents.....!

DEC JCAB only......! As said before, due to a number of applicants failing but also because they are meeting their staffing needs with the upgrade program.

The well.....! As markets in the US specifically are getting better, it is getting dry, it's been drying up for the past couple of years, hence the raise! My guess is that once the news of the improved T&C's spreads we will get more people to bite.

A revolving door......! We have said it many times before that this particular gig works for some and not for others, people are always going to choose a gig close to home if it works for them and as the market is getting better in the US people are trying to go back, that is to be expected but we also have people still applying from the US so the door will continue to revolve I guess.
The Land of OZ......! The same story there, the folks from Q will be going back but we still have some applicants from Oz, the last class only has 3 folks in it because the others cancelled, that seems to be the story lately but that will continue to be the case, the class before that was full. Again, I think that the improved T&C's will have an effect.

The venerable 76......! If you have an issue with the "very old technology" then don't apply! Simple as that. This gig is to fly the 767 and although the 78 will be introduced starting on 2018, there is very little chance that you as a new hire will see that type for several years, and be mindful that as the 78 picks up the passenger routes we are doing now on the 76, then the AJX 76 duties will be mostly cargo if not only cargo...!
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 00:18
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What the Dominican says seems quite accurate to me. No more no less.

Originally Posted by TBL Warrior
Very interesting, so essentially DEC does not exist and reality is; flying an antique on night fright, probably to China....?!
When you lay it out that clearly, it does look quite appealing!
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 01:12
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Originally Posted by TBL Warrior
Very interesting, so essentially DEC does not exist and reality is; flying an antique on night fright, probably to China....?!
There are some DEC's coming in here and there in the past few years but they are coming from other Japanese gigs already with a JCAB ATPL.....! The rest of the captains are coming from within through the upgrade program, yes...., and to be honest, I think most of us are ok with that.

That will be the office and that will be mostly the mission, yes! Come here for the stability, come here for the ability to choose your days off, come for the business class commute, come here to work in a professional environment where you will be dispatched with plenty fuel, rarely an MEL or CDL, come to fly very well maintained airplanes (even the freighters) and come to one of the few gigs on the international market where you will be flying mostly with other expats and although we have our 5% of the infamous that are the protagonist on 95% of the stories, the majority of guys are fun to be around, professional and we try to maintain high CRM and SOP's standards.

Don't come dreaming of flying to the west coast of the US and Europe on the 78 because even if you eventually transfers to the 78 (many years down the line) you will be doing the same China and SE Asia trips we are doing now..., those wonderful trips you envision are mainline trips and will continue to be mainline trips. Even the Honolulu's will most likely go away once the Fugly monstrosity takes over those trips starting on 2019.

You come with a clear view of what to expect and you will be happy here like most of us, come with the expectation that the job will eventually evolve to something else more to your liking...., and you will be inclined to use the revolving door.

In any case if you come, Don't bitch to me....! LOL
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 18:52
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Cash money money

Alright... I am looking into new options. Love japan.

So, the new money info listed.. first year $7200 + 4000 so 11000 something as extras and expenses. The first 6 months of training only the 7200. after 5 years 13800 something...

first and foremost ... DO I get taxed on this or is this after TAX?

The 10 days off in a row, do you get the 2 days on top of that to commute? upto 14 days if ya get 2 annual leave days on top. What is the total annual leave BTW 24 days?

Is it true command time is about 3 years?

Living in Narita, during your time there. What kind of expenses are you looking at for hotel/food on a monthly basis ? Or share appartment with other crew? costs ?

And lastly guys, tickets...to amsterdam to be exact? Discounted? Free with ANA? Zed fairs? ID 90 % What s the deal?

Thanks in advance y'all.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 08:19
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Or have a look at NCA, they got an AMS base!
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Originally Posted by ozzdogg
Alright... I am looking into new options. Love japan.

So, the new money info listed.. first year $7200 + 4000 so 11000 something as extras and expenses. The first 6 months of training only the 7200. after 5 years 13800 something...

first and foremost ... DO I get taxed on this or is this after TAX? That is pre-tax. So you will be taxed by your local gov't by whatever tax plan they have in place. There is no Japanese tax withheld as you are not an employee of a Japanese company.

The 10 days off in a row, do you get the 2 days on top of that to commute? upto 14 days if ya get 2 annual leave days on top. What is the total annual leave BTW 24 days? Yes, you get 12 days in a row, 14 if you use the 2 days of vacation. 24 days of vacation a year.

Is it true command time is about 3 years? I would say it is closer to 4 years or so. When I upgraded it was 5 years. Prior to that was around 3.5-4 years.

Living in Narita, during your time there. What kind of expenses are you looking at for hotel/food on a monthly basis ? Or share appartment with other crew? costs ? An apartment in NRT will be about 75,000 Yen more or less. Utilities run around 10,000-15,000 Yen. Hotel is around 7000 Yen /night. How much you spend on food is totally up to you. If you drink a lot then it will cost a lot.

And lastly guys, tickets...to amsterdam to be exact? Discounted? Free with ANA? Zed fairs? ID 90 % What s the deal? There is a Zed Fare. I've never used it so not sure what % that is. I always do the C-Class ticket option.

Thanks in advance y'all.
See the above.
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Hey guys,

Just went through every single post on this thread. Took me some days to read it all, but there are lots of useful info about the job and screening. Can't say thank you enough to the usual posters here who provide invaluable informations.


I see this job has been through many ups and downs in the past few years and would like some updates if you're so kind to answer.

1 - Has the company addressed the schedulling issues? I'm talking about mainly of
A) The problems of not giving early landings on your last day so you're able to commute the same day back home or late (ish) starts on your first day so you don't have to waste a day off commuting earlier.
B) The back of the clock flights and constantly shifting through night and day causing fatigue on crews

2- About a year or so the upgrade pass rate was about 50%. Has anything changed recently?

3 - I posted the email I received from Parc a couple of days ago about the new bonus structure. Can anybody provide more insight on how this is going to work? Do you think this address the issue of low pay on this contract many have been complaining recently?

4 - Not a long ago the standard recommendation was that CREW was more suitable for Yank applicants and Parc for people from other nationalities. Then it changed to CREW being the preferential agency regardless of nationality (mainly because of Medical Insurance/LOL and support). Does this still apply? If one had to apply today would CREW still be the first option or has Parc improved the package?

5 - I'm currently flying the 737NG with 3200tt and 1600h on type and that being the only airliner I've flown before. I remember reading some posts back that the the 767s used by AJX do not have speed/altitude tapes and and that the Flight Director is of the "chevron" type. Has anything changed? Still no speed/altitude tapes and crossbar? I ask this because I only had experience on full glass cockpit aircraft and it would need some getting used to instrument crosscheck with steam gauges and how should I best prepare for the sim evaluation.

Thank you in advance for your replies.

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1 - Has the company addressed the schedulling issues? I'm talking about mainly of

A) The problems of not giving early landings on your last day so you're able to commute the same day back home or late (ish) starts on your first day so you don't have to waste a day off commuting earlier. This is still a 'nice to have'.There is no requirement, nor agreement, for the Company to finish you early on your last day but they do try to some extent. Allegedly you can swap trips with others to enable this but I've never actually heard of anyone doing this, mainly because the rest of your roster may not allow it and your offer of a NRT-XMN-OKA-TPE-NRT is not going to really attract someone with a NRT-SGN-NRT. Some pilots think because they live in Europe that they are entitled to finish early but this is not the case. No matter where you live you'll be wasting time travelling to or from home and it's the nature of the commuting contract beast.

B) The back of the clock flights and constantly shifting through night and day causing fatigue on crews. No. The 'back of the clock' flights you're going to get almost everywhere and certainly with cargo trips. These are not necessarily the problem and, in some cases they can be better than day flights (think noisy ATC with Shanghai versus quiet at midnight). The problem is the switching between days and nights and there has been nothing done to address this problem. It's not all the Company's fault. They have stupid restrictions like NRT INTERNATIONAL Airport closing at 2300 and not opening until 0600 and Naha (the promised 24 hour airport) shutting up shop for their power nap until 0130. They could swap quite a few pairings around and fly pax trips into freight in some locations but they don't.....mainly because they're (a)not very imaginative and (b)don't listen unless it's their idea (or think it is). So, expect night into day flights and don't say we didn't warn you.

2- About a year or so the upgrade pass rate was about 50%. Has anything changed recently?They seem to be pretty desperate given some of the people they've recently selected and, also, passed. It's running at well above 50%.

3 - I posted the email I received from Parc a couple of days ago about the new bonus structure. Can anybody provide more insight on how this is going to work? I don't know what more you need. After 3 years you get a $25000 bonus, probably paid in the April salary. When you're a captain you get $30000. Supposedly this is for 5 years but they're going to have to keep it going after that to make up for the fact that we've never had a pay rise. It's a very welcome addition and it will help with one of their goals i.e. retention. However, as far as attracting new joiners then it does little. You're not going to see any extra money for the first three years and, until the 767s are gone (think 10 years or so), then you're not going to see a 787 for the first 4 years or so of your contract, if that. The important thing to plan on is no bonus money and flying the 767.....no matter what shiny baubles the contract agencies dangle in front of you. Oh, and forget 3-4 years to the left seat of a 787. Do you think this address the issue of low pay on this contract many have been complaining recently? See comment above re retention, not attraction

Here's a really badly copy and pasted bit of info. You'll have to line up the years and money yourself as the lack of tabs is a pain in the butt.

Currently employed Captains : USD 30,000 per year for first 3 years increasing to USD 36,000 for remaining 2 years
Currently employed First Officers : USD 25,000 per year – payable once the F/O has provided 3 years’ service

F/Y of payment 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022

Captain 30,000 30,000 30,000 36,000 36,000

First Officer
(F/Y of hire)

2019 0 0 0 25,000
2018 0 0 0 25,000 25,000
2017 0 0 25,000 25,000 25,000
2016 0 25,000 25,000 25,000 25,000
2015 25,000 25,000 25,000 25,000 25,000


4 - Not a long ago the standard recommendation was that CREW was more suitable for Yank applicants and Parc for people from other nationalities. Then it changed to CREW being the preferential agency regardless of nationality (mainly because of Medical Insurance/LOL and support). Does this still apply? If one had to apply today would CREW still be the first option or has Parc improved the package? Parc has done nothing and Parc pilots never hear a thing. They pay regularly but then argue the toss when anyone dares to be sick and try to use the, supposedly, great insurance policy they have. You're far better off going with Crew, using their, genuinely, great medical cover and paying a bit for your own loss of licence. At least Crew pilots receive some emails and updates, whereas Parc are obviously saving paper by not emailing anyone or keeping them abreast of any plans etc. Definitely Crew, no matter where you live.


5 - I'm currently flying the 737NG with 3200tt and 1600h on type and that being the only airliner I've flown before. I remember reading some posts back that the the 767s used by AJX do not have speed/altitude tapes and and that the Flight Director is of the "chevron" type. Has anything changed? Still no speed/altitude tapes and crossbar? I ask this because I only had experience on full glass cockpit aircraft and it would need some getting used to instrument crosscheck with steam gauges and how should I best prepare for the sim evaluation. We have the speed tape but we don't officially use it because it's far too complicated for mortal man (read the Japanese didn't have them on the YS11 or 727 and they're not about to rush into crazy changes now). It is, of course, much more useful than the round dial and silly bugs but that's what we officially use. Flap retraction etc doesn't make use of the 'F' sitting on the speed tape but they do have their own, 'special' way of doing things (quelle surprise) and then wonder why we get flap overspeeds on retraction and the rest of the developed world doesn't. Altimeter is still the round dial and nothing on the EADI. You'll be glad, as most were, that the wing bar went some time ago and we are now blessed with the crossbars.
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Thank you for your kind reply, Fratemante.
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Are any of the current AJX contractors that post in here based in the U.K.? If not do any of the usual posters know any UK based AJX guys that I could talk to about how the pay ends up for them with regards to U.K. Tax etc. Any advice appreciated.
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Originally Posted by B757UK
Are any of the current AJX contractors that post in here based in the U.K.? If not do any of the usual posters know any UK based AJX guys that I could talk to about how the pay ends up for them with regards to U.K. Tax etc. Any advice appreciated.
I would also be interested in the above if anyone could please advise.

Also, is commuting done on the companies days or your own?

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The problem with sites such as this to ask questions about taxes is that pilots are too smart, sometimes way too smart for their own good, several expats have discovered that those silly pencil pushers at the tax office are pretty damn smart as well.....! Ask a tax professional with experience in expat taxes about that, sometimes to get advice from extremely smart people is not a good thing.

Commute: I'll answer your question but I would also recommend that you read this thread, it contains answers that you might not think to ask but that will give you a good picture of the lifestyle at AJX.

We get 10 days off in a row (or however you want to use them) and 2 BDC (Blank commuting days) and 24 days of vacation a year that you can also use at your discretion, many people just use 2 vacation days every month.

That means that every month you can make a stretch of 14 days in a row and you commute within those days...., it is a lottery wether you can commute out on the last day of duty, scheduling tries to finish you early enough the last day but sometimes you won't be able to leave until the next day.
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