Singaporean self-sponsored CPL holders - where are you?
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Check out the GA scene in Australia
Hi dudes,
Check this out: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ent+Australia.
Seems like there is a huge supply of CPL holders but a massive shortage of experienced pilots.
Cheers
Check this out: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ent+Australia.
Seems like there is a huge supply of CPL holders but a massive shortage of experienced pilots.
Cheers
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser
Hi dudes,
Check this out: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ent+Australia.
Seems like there is a huge supply of CPL holders but a massive shortage of experienced pilots.
Cheers
Check this out: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ent+Australia.
Seems like there is a huge supply of CPL holders but a massive shortage of experienced pilots.
Cheers
Not really surprised to hear that actually. With Ga so common in a country like aus, many people will have the opportunity to learn flying. Getting their CPL is like a routine for pilot wanabe. The difficult part is, after you got your license, which company is going to give you the chance for a jet upgrade? With advertisment going for people with 1500 hours and Jet experience needed, how as a young and innocent CPL holder with 200 hours going to cling to that job? Thats why there is a bottleneck senario where more and more wanabees are stuck at the CPL (200hrs) level and not many with experience.
It just happen so in malaysia and singapore, GA is still like a growing industry, not as big as aus, thats why there are still quite good opportunity to explore even with low hours..so better work hard, this scene might not be so in a couple of years time i feel.
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Originally Posted by 9M-
Agreed Totally. I was studying in Aus for 2 years and even getting a visa is not a simple thing to do . And Even if you have a visa + being a 3nd citizen etc...and so luckily one of the flying school is willing to take you in as an instructor...look at the abundance of instructors there...one flying school can have 10-20 instructors and how many students do they have? Not many...and most flying schools give their student commission based. If one month you fly 5 times, 5x AUS50 , you will earn roughly AUS250/ month. Sounds like good money eh? Best thing is you only clock 5 hours a month too 
My advise for prospective instructors is, do it in malaysia, malaysia welcomes singaporeans much more than you would expect. Also there are real shortages of instructors in malaysia and if you can be one, clocking 60-80 hours a month is a really realistic thing to get.
My advise for prospective instructors is, do it in malaysia, malaysia welcomes singaporeans much more than you would expect. Also there are real shortages of instructors in malaysia and if you can be one, clocking 60-80 hours a month is a really realistic thing to get.
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser
Hi Majulah,
Sincere apologies if I had sounded offensive. In no way was I trying to imply that you married your wife because of any other agenda.
You might have read that I have been exploring as many options as I could to help myself and others who are unfortunate, or deemed not good enough to join SIA, to work ourselves up from scratch. It so happened that I recalled your post and the possibility came to my mind.
Allow me to ask you to share your path to success in this thread? I am aware that you hold a JAA ATPL with 1500 hours. Which flying school in europe did you train in? How did you manage to clock your hours?
I learnt from a brit friend currently training in Spain that his fees will amount to about 60,000 pounds excluding living expenses. He had to take a loan from HSBC by mortgaging his family's house. I have spoken to several flying instructors in Derby and all told me flying training in the UK is one of the most expensive in the world!
Any comments welcome!
By the way thanks Thermal Image!
Cheers,
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Sincere apologies if I had sounded offensive. In no way was I trying to imply that you married your wife because of any other agenda.
You might have read that I have been exploring as many options as I could to help myself and others who are unfortunate, or deemed not good enough to join SIA, to work ourselves up from scratch. It so happened that I recalled your post and the possibility came to my mind.
Allow me to ask you to share your path to success in this thread? I am aware that you hold a JAA ATPL with 1500 hours. Which flying school in europe did you train in? How did you manage to clock your hours?
I learnt from a brit friend currently training in Spain that his fees will amount to about 60,000 pounds excluding living expenses. He had to take a loan from HSBC by mortgaging his family's house. I have spoken to several flying instructors in Derby and all told me flying training in the UK is one of the most expensive in the world!
Any comments welcome!
By the way thanks Thermal Image!
Cheers,
cruiser
no problem sir, i wasnt offended. i just wanted to make that point clear straight away. with the amount of ang moh expats with strange attitudes in sin it's not always easy, maybe i am to sensible to that. but you know what i mean i suppose.
well, my "path to success"...
did my training at a flag carrier's FTO/TRTO. airline went bust. now, i'm clocking hours with a regional carrier... arranging for my SPR this summer. as soon as i hit the 1500 hrs (under european licensing, JAR, with 1500hrs you are a full ATPL-holder) i will apply for the SQ cadet scheme, hoping to being allowed to skip most training phases to save time. if i dont fail the interviews that is.
i have no ideas about training costs in the UK, sorry i really cant help there...
yes, i also sometimes envy those young fellows who get their training fully paid by a legacy carrier and are assured a RH seat in minimum 320 or 737 size plane. i almost was one of them, but the airline disappeared. maybe now i am doing a bit of the "hard way". I hope i'll be luckier next time, if i make it to SQ i hope they dont go kapputz....
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser
Hi dudes,
I've read the threads here about going to MFA for a CPL/IR. I've got a friend who drove all the way up north on a weekend to enquire about signing up. He was told that it's fully booked til April 2007 and was told to leave his name with 100+ other private students and they'll give him a call when there's a vacancy. Apparently AirAsia and MAS have been flooding MFA with students that they are operating at capacity. It seems like aviation in this region is really booming!
A bit of info about myself: I'm a SIA final round reject and like most of you here, am passionate about flying and am saving hard for the course up north or australia. I was told by some cadet friends who were ex classmates that they do not entertain 2nd round rejects like myself. So I had to look for alternative like those I've mentioned. I'm 28 this year and will need a few more years of saving before I can afford the fees. I guess by the time I get a CPL/IR I'll reach an old 32 or 33! I'll still presevere though.
I know an instructor in SYFC who advised me to seek a "written blessing" from the GM of SYFC that they'll employ me after I get my CPL/IR from MFA, before I embark on the course. I haven't done so since I'm still short of about 2/3 of the sum required! Any thoughts on the "written blessing" and clocking hours as a AQFI/QFI in SYFC? Any comments positive or negative most welcomed!
I would like to take this opportunity to look around for people who have flung the final SQ interview and yet got in some years later, either through the usual cadet way or through the long hard way of clocking hours as an instructor or bush piloting. I know there might be none! However I still harbour hopes that SQ will one fine day change their recruitment policy.
Hope to hear from you guys really soon!
cruiser
I've read the threads here about going to MFA for a CPL/IR. I've got a friend who drove all the way up north on a weekend to enquire about signing up. He was told that it's fully booked til April 2007 and was told to leave his name with 100+ other private students and they'll give him a call when there's a vacancy. Apparently AirAsia and MAS have been flooding MFA with students that they are operating at capacity. It seems like aviation in this region is really booming!
A bit of info about myself: I'm a SIA final round reject and like most of you here, am passionate about flying and am saving hard for the course up north or australia. I was told by some cadet friends who were ex classmates that they do not entertain 2nd round rejects like myself. So I had to look for alternative like those I've mentioned. I'm 28 this year and will need a few more years of saving before I can afford the fees. I guess by the time I get a CPL/IR I'll reach an old 32 or 33! I'll still presevere though.
I know an instructor in SYFC who advised me to seek a "written blessing" from the GM of SYFC that they'll employ me after I get my CPL/IR from MFA, before I embark on the course. I haven't done so since I'm still short of about 2/3 of the sum required! Any thoughts on the "written blessing" and clocking hours as a AQFI/QFI in SYFC? Any comments positive or negative most welcomed!
I would like to take this opportunity to look around for people who have flung the final SQ interview and yet got in some years later, either through the usual cadet way or through the long hard way of clocking hours as an instructor or bush piloting. I know there might be none! However I still harbour hopes that SQ will one fine day change their recruitment policy.
Hope to hear from you guys really soon!
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written blessing
Hi,
I have not gotten any "written blessings" and like many of you out there wonder if it is really a possiblity. The instructor I spoke to at SYFC mentioned that I should contact the GM over the phone to arrange an appointment for this purpose. Like I mentioned, I haven't done so cos I've no where near the amount needed for the CPL/IR course in MFA.
In my opinion, it is possible to talk to someone like the GM about the plan but as to whether he will agree to it and even write a letter to gaurantee your employment with the club, is difficult. Thinking of it from the employers' point of view, no one will ever promise employment before he even knows whether you are capable of passing the course. Even cadets from SIA get chopped in their line training. And thats after the company has paid loads for his training. One such example is currently in the flying club training to be an instructor.
I'd say go try to get an agreement with the terms and conditions. If that doesn't work out, try opportunities in other countries with a license in hand. There are loads of info about flying inmalaysia and aus in the forum. Of course the odds must be weighed and risks assessed. As for myself, a single man with few commitments and a lot of desire to fly, this route is one that I'll seriously consider taking.
cruiser
I have not gotten any "written blessings" and like many of you out there wonder if it is really a possiblity. The instructor I spoke to at SYFC mentioned that I should contact the GM over the phone to arrange an appointment for this purpose. Like I mentioned, I haven't done so cos I've no where near the amount needed for the CPL/IR course in MFA.
In my opinion, it is possible to talk to someone like the GM about the plan but as to whether he will agree to it and even write a letter to gaurantee your employment with the club, is difficult. Thinking of it from the employers' point of view, no one will ever promise employment before he even knows whether you are capable of passing the course. Even cadets from SIA get chopped in their line training. And thats after the company has paid loads for his training. One such example is currently in the flying club training to be an instructor.
I'd say go try to get an agreement with the terms and conditions. If that doesn't work out, try opportunities in other countries with a license in hand. There are loads of info about flying inmalaysia and aus in the forum. Of course the odds must be weighed and risks assessed. As for myself, a single man with few commitments and a lot of desire to fly, this route is one that I'll seriously consider taking.
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser
Hi,
I have not gotten any "written blessings" and like many of you out there wonder if it is really a possiblity. The instructor I spoke to at SYFC mentioned that I should contact the GM over the phone to arrange an appointment for this purpose. Like I mentioned, I haven't done so cos I've no where near the amount needed for the CPL/IR course in MFA.
In my opinion, it is possible to talk to someone like the GM about the plan but as to whether he will agree to it and even write a letter to gaurantee your employment with the club, is difficult. Thinking of it from the employers' point of view, no one will ever promise employment before he even knows whether you are capable of passing the course. Even cadets from SIA get chopped in their line training. And thats after the company has paid loads for his training. One such example is currently in the flying club training to be an instructor.
I'd say go try to get an agreement with the terms and conditions. If that doesn't work out, try opportunities in other countries with a license in hand. There are loads of info about flying inmalaysia and aus in the forum. Of course the odds must be weighed and risks assessed. As for myself, a single man with few commitments and a lot of desire to fly, this route is one that I'll seriously consider taking.
cruiser
I have not gotten any "written blessings" and like many of you out there wonder if it is really a possiblity. The instructor I spoke to at SYFC mentioned that I should contact the GM over the phone to arrange an appointment for this purpose. Like I mentioned, I haven't done so cos I've no where near the amount needed for the CPL/IR course in MFA.
In my opinion, it is possible to talk to someone like the GM about the plan but as to whether he will agree to it and even write a letter to gaurantee your employment with the club, is difficult. Thinking of it from the employers' point of view, no one will ever promise employment before he even knows whether you are capable of passing the course. Even cadets from SIA get chopped in their line training. And thats after the company has paid loads for his training. One such example is currently in the flying club training to be an instructor.
I'd say go try to get an agreement with the terms and conditions. If that doesn't work out, try opportunities in other countries with a license in hand. There are loads of info about flying inmalaysia and aus in the forum. Of course the odds must be weighed and risks assessed. As for myself, a single man with few commitments and a lot of desire to fly, this route is one that I'll seriously consider taking.
cruiser
Anyway why want to teach in YFC? Teaching effects of controls, S & L for a few years without navigation is really going to be a pain in the neck i would say. Thats why i prefer to teach in malaysia where i have more freedom and exposure.
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niner mike..
in malaysia...
RSFC practices a system... every student will be alocated not mroe than 2 instructor.
these 2 instructor is responsible for ALL the students training including Ground school and flight training. so basically, the instructor will coach the student all the way until the student gets PPL.
in malaysia...
RSFC practices a system... every student will be alocated not mroe than 2 instructor.
these 2 instructor is responsible for ALL the students training including Ground school and flight training. so basically, the instructor will coach the student all the way until the student gets PPL.
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Originally Posted by ilov3s3lina
niner mike..
in malaysia...
RSFC practices a system... every student will be alocated not mroe than 2 instructor.
these 2 instructor is responsible for ALL the students training including Ground school and flight training. so basically, the instructor will coach the student all the way until the student gets PPL.
in malaysia...
RSFC practices a system... every student will be alocated not mroe than 2 instructor.
these 2 instructor is responsible for ALL the students training including Ground school and flight training. so basically, the instructor will coach the student all the way until the student gets PPL.
U mean royal selangor flying club? becos republic of singapore flying club has the same initial as well.
Well thats a good system if one is on leave, the other one can take over. Anyway are u learning to fly there or r u working there?
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Originally Posted by ilov3s3lina
nah.. i'm just a member
Catch up with u again soon ok.Btw do u know Khoo?
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wah 9m- you seem to be familiar..
i know the people you mention.. but i don't know tjhem well.. after all.. it's a small club.....
allan is there..... david-with glasses ah?? both is there..
i am suppose to train there..... but i quit because i'm waiting for a place in flight school.... .. i will fly there when i graduate from flight school.
i know the people you mention.. but i don't know tjhem well.. after all.. it's a small club.....
allan is there..... david-with glasses ah?? both is there..
i am suppose to train there..... but i quit because i'm waiting for a place in flight school.... .. i will fly there when i graduate from flight school.
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this thread seems dead..so thought of livening up again....
So do we have anymore self sponsored stories out there? I believe there are more people so come on and share your stories with us...so that we can choose a better path too. Cheers!
So do we have anymore self sponsored stories out there? I believe there are more people so come on and share your stories with us...so that we can choose a better path too. Cheers!
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Just had a chat with the CFI at HMA. He told me there was one Singaporean who graduated from there recently and is now working on his 737 qualification for AirAsia. So that sounds like good news. Apparently its not that difficult for Singaporeans to find a job in Malaysia, as we're not really considered "expats".
But there's bad news too. He told me that PPL holders will not have flying hours credited if you want to pursue the course at HMA, or even MFA. You have to start all over. They used to credit hours to PPL holders but found that their standard was so bad that it was best to start them from scratch.
The current course fee is around RM170K++ including accomodation, food, study material and everything else.
So, any Singaporeans "quietly" flying in AirAsia? Do share with us your story.
But there's bad news too. He told me that PPL holders will not have flying hours credited if you want to pursue the course at HMA, or even MFA. You have to start all over. They used to credit hours to PPL holders but found that their standard was so bad that it was best to start them from scratch.
The current course fee is around RM170K++ including accomodation, food, study material and everything else.
So, any Singaporeans "quietly" flying in AirAsia? Do share with us your story.
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Originally Posted by demandpump
Just had a chat with the CFI at HMA. He told me there was one Singaporean who graduated from there recently and is now working on his 737 qualification for AirAsia. So that sounds like good news. Apparently its not that difficult for Singaporeans to find a job in Malaysia, as we're not really considered "expats".
But there's bad news too. He told me that PPL holders will not have flying hours credited if you want to pursue the course at HMA, or even MFA. You have to start all over. They used to credit hours to PPL holders but found that their standard was so bad that it was best to start them from scratch.
The current course fee is around RM170K++ including accomodation, food, study material and everything else.
So, any Singaporeans "quietly" flying in AirAsia? Do share with us your story.
But there's bad news too. He told me that PPL holders will not have flying hours credited if you want to pursue the course at HMA, or even MFA. You have to start all over. They used to credit hours to PPL holders but found that their standard was so bad that it was best to start them from scratch.
The current course fee is around RM170K++ including accomodation, food, study material and everything else.
So, any Singaporeans "quietly" flying in AirAsia? Do share with us your story.
As for anymore singaporean CPL holders, well looks like not much more? Come on..!
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Originally Posted by lorads
HI 9M-,
sent you PM b4 but no reply? did you get it?
btw now airspace close so totally no flying? will be at Senai tmr see if can do some flying.
sent you PM b4 but no reply? did you get it?
btw now airspace close so totally no flying? will be at Senai tmr see if can do some flying.
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Hmm... I have an Australian CPL but apparently its not recognised in CAAS eyes. Anyway, I've flown in Australia & tried to sign up for SIA. I succeeded. However, I guess like so many other people in the thread, if SIA didn't employ me, all is not lost. Just try to get a job flying as a Flight Instructor. I guess for Australia, I can probably get employment in the smaller towns, but not in the 5 major cities where GAAP aerodromes are as its pretty over-saturated with pilots. I've read somewhere in this forum that MFA tried to hire an Australian instructor? I'm not sure but I believe that if one really wants to fly, where one fly doesn't really matter as the job will take one all over the place anyway. That was my resolution when I first took the self-sponsored course. I didn't really contribute the story earlier as I know that I'm really lucky as I need not go through the extreme hard work & sacrifice that other countries' pilots put themselves to.
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Originally Posted by sgrookie
Hmm... I have an Australian CPL but apparently its not recognised in CAAS eyes. Anyway, I've flown in Australia & tried to sign up for SIA. I succeeded. However, I guess like so many other people in the thread, if SIA didn't employ me, all is not lost. Just try to get a job flying as a Flight Instructor. I guess for Australia, I can probably get employment in the smaller towns, but not in the 5 major cities where GAAP aerodromes are as its pretty over-saturated with pilots. I've read somewhere in this forum that MFA tried to hire an Australian instructor? I'm not sure but I believe that if one really wants to fly, where one fly doesn't really matter as the job will take one all over the place anyway. That was my resolution when I first took the self-sponsored course. I didn't really contribute the story earlier as I know that I'm really lucky as I need not go through the extreme hard work & sacrifice that other countries' pilots put themselves to.
So for anyone who are thinking of getting an oversea license, think again before taking the plunge.Anyway just for some people's information, if u really want caas to recognise your license after u return from oversea without having to get employed by an air operator first, check out Massey University in New Zealand. They have a MOU with caas
Cheers!