Singaporean self-sponsored CPL holders - where are you?
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Air Force is most likely to reject you if you hold a CPL. The Air Force (e.g. RSAF) has their military system and a CPL holder is likely to upset their system. Come to think of it, if everybody gets a CPL and join the Air Force, what do you think it will be like in the air-force?
What I suggest is, you should not get CPL now. Go through the Air Force selection process and get a military pilot licence. It is so prestigious! Especially you are a Malaysian! Opportunity only comes once!
Side note one: A SAF sponsored scholar is able to take Law Degree. However, he is not allow to sit for the Bar Test to qualify as a lawyer. Similarly, a Law Degree holder (who is a qualified lawyer) is neither unwelcome to join the army nor be able to commission as military officer.
Side note two: A CPL holder is likely to get screen-off or phase-off in SIA training scheme faster. They are many reasons. One reason is, SIA training staffs have “extra-ordinary” high expectation on you because you are experienced. If you are unable to meet their expectation during training, there will no more a second chance for you.
I doubt you will stop now. Still, I encourage to stop your CPL flight training. My reason -> If you get phase-out during Air-Force training phase, you still can continue your CPL training! Do not waste your valuable chance! Go straight into military training first, getting a CPL can come at a later stage.
thanks for the advice, but currently i am on my last phase of trainning with is the muti-eng, IR, 35 hours to go..., and i have told them about my trainning with mfa, and they allowed me to join them after my trainning, and i understand its a once in the life time chances for me to join airforce, but as lots of people who went in, told me not to join due the the poor management, and the airforce took about 1 year to process my case, and i thou it was no chance thats y i went for my cpl, and they call me up for further test and interview during my trainning .. and till now after 2 years they finally offer me the contract, and the trouble of finding 2 person for the half a million bond contract, anyway now i hope to get in to SQ or any airline if possible, if not i try to get a job as insturctor of something , for me to pursue my BAC in aviation mangement, then try again.
anyway thanks for the advice, how about u ? are u in airforce?
What I suggest is, you should not get CPL now. Go through the Air Force selection process and get a military pilot licence. It is so prestigious! Especially you are a Malaysian! Opportunity only comes once!
Side note one: A SAF sponsored scholar is able to take Law Degree. However, he is not allow to sit for the Bar Test to qualify as a lawyer. Similarly, a Law Degree holder (who is a qualified lawyer) is neither unwelcome to join the army nor be able to commission as military officer.
Side note two: A CPL holder is likely to get screen-off or phase-off in SIA training scheme faster. They are many reasons. One reason is, SIA training staffs have “extra-ordinary” high expectation on you because you are experienced. If you are unable to meet their expectation during training, there will no more a second chance for you.
I doubt you will stop now. Still, I encourage to stop your CPL flight training. My reason -> If you get phase-out during Air-Force training phase, you still can continue your CPL training! Do not waste your valuable chance! Go straight into military training first, getting a CPL can come at a later stage.
thanks for the advice, but currently i am on my last phase of trainning with is the muti-eng, IR, 35 hours to go..., and i have told them about my trainning with mfa, and they allowed me to join them after my trainning, and i understand its a once in the life time chances for me to join airforce, but as lots of people who went in, told me not to join due the the poor management, and the airforce took about 1 year to process my case, and i thou it was no chance thats y i went for my cpl, and they call me up for further test and interview during my trainning .. and till now after 2 years they finally offer me the contract, and the trouble of finding 2 person for the half a million bond contract, anyway now i hope to get in to SQ or any airline if possible, if not i try to get a job as insturctor of something , for me to pursue my BAC in aviation mangement, then try again.
anyway thanks for the advice, how about u ? are u in airforce?
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Originally Posted by cooperlim
oh ya one more thing.. i was offer by AIR FORCE, during my course and i made it through the tests and interview, and i was told if i am to join them i should give them a reply by end of the year before my medical expire, should i still join them with my CPL?..
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thanks for the advice, but currently i am on my last phase of trainning with is the muti-eng, IR, 35 hours to go..., and i have told them about my trainning with mfa, and they allowed me to join them after my trainning, and i understand its a once in the life time chances for me to join airforce, but as lots of people who went in, told me not to join due the the poor management, and the airforce took about 1 year to process my case, and i thou it was no chance thats y i went for my cpl, and they call me up for further test and interview during my trainning .. and till now after 2 years they finally offer me the contract, and the trouble of finding 2 person for the half a million bond contract, anyway now i hope to get in to SQ or any airline if possible, if not i try to get a job as insturctor of something , for me to pursue my BAC in aviation mangement, then try again. anyway thanks for the advice, how about u ? are u in airforce?
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Side note two: A CPL holder is likely to get screen-off or phase-off in SIA training scheme faster. They are many reasons. One reason is, SIA training staffs have “extra-ordinary” high expectation on you because you are experienced. If you are unable to meet their expectation during training, there will no more a second chance for you.
But is it worth a try in the sense that they are more likely to accept you into their training course? I think many people got their CPL to show their interest because it might give them an edge to be actually accepted into the scheme as there are so many who just are not even selected to start the program?
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haha yup u are right, somehow i made up my mind, but that post was supposed to be in a email asking someone who has been it the airforce,
but anyway i thou it should be fine posting out for everyone advice,
cause i still have time to think. yup i will try for SIA but hope are not high, hahah who knows maybe i may end up in india :P
but anyway i thou it should be fine posting out for everyone advice,
cause i still have time to think. yup i will try for SIA but hope are not high, hahah who knows maybe i may end up in india :P
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New Training School coming
*Singapore, 3 September 2007* - Singapore Technologies Aerospace Ltd (ST
Aerospace), the aerospace arm of Singapore Technologies Engineering Ltd (ST
Engineering), today announced that it has signed a joint venture agreement
with Aviation Training Academy (Singapore) Pte Ltd (ATAS) to set up a
commercial pilot training academy in Singapore. The Singapore-based joint
venture company, known as ST Aviation Training Academy Pte Ltd (STATA), will
be majority owned by ST Aerospace with a 70% stake and ATAS, holding a 30%
stake. STATA will have a total investment of US$5.2 (about S$8m).
This investment is not expected to have any material impact on the
consolidated net tangible assets per share and earnings per share of ST
Engineering for the current financial year.
STATA will be operated and managed by ST Aerospace as a part of its global
network, drawing on ST Aerospace's aircraft engineering and military pilot
training expertise and ATAS' airline management and commercial pilot
training experience.
The academy will commence its ab initio flying training in Australia in
October 2007, and start the synthetic centric flight training at its Seletar
Airport facility in Singapore by early 2009. It will initially provide
traditional pilot training under the existing Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL)
and Air Transport Pilot Licence (ATPL) curricula, and eventually include a
Multi-crew Pilot Licence (MPL) programme upon endorsements from relevant
airworthiness authorities. The MPL programme offers advances in teaching
methodologies and simulation technologies in a multi-crew cooperation
environment over the traditional pilot training programme. This enables
pilots to be trained in half the time required compared to traditional
training.
*"There is a significant demand for pilots in Asia, propelled by the upturn
in the aviation industry and a record number of aircraft deliveries over the
next few years. STATA aims to seize an early mover advantage using the MPL
programme. It will leverage on ST Aerospace's expertise and connections, as
well as ATAS knowledge in the commercial pilot training. Overcoming this
supply shortfall, MPL training is a state-of-the-art approach, tailored to
meet today's airlines' requirements. It challenges the mindset shift from
conventional pilot training methodologies to that available under MPL, and
we are confident this evolutionary MPL programme will bring tremendous value
for the airline industry." ~ Eddie ONG, President, STATA*
*"The establishment of STATA allows ST Aerospace to build on our training
business and at the same time, broaden our Total Aviation Support value
proposition to aircraft operators. This extension of the training dimension
of our business will provide more avenues through which we can bring value
to our customers and enable them to focus on their core airline business.
This initiative is a demonstration of our ability to expand our value chain
- through collaboration with partners." ~ TAY Kok Khiang, President, ST
Aerospace*
According to Boeing, airlines around the world will require 17,000 new
pilots a year until 2024 just to keep up with new aircraft deliveries. In
2007 alone, airlines in Asia Pacific are estimated to require over 40,000
pilots while there may be a pool of only 30,000 trained pilots available.
With the advent of newer aircraft and the upturn of the industry, pilot
needs by airlines in Asia Pacific may grow to an estimated 75,000 over the
next five years. Annual pilot demand for the region could average at 6,750.
STATA is ST Aerospace's second commercial pilot training unit since the
acquisition of Sydney-based Pacific Flight Services Pty Ltd in April 2007.
Besides commercial training, ST Aerospace currently provides military pilot
training using the twin-engine King Air C-90 Beechcraft that was configured
to meet the Republic of Singapore Air Force's (RSAF) special training
requirements.
*ST Aerospace* is the aerospace arm of ST Engineering. Operating a global
MRO network with facilities in Asia Pacific, Europe and the US, it is the
world's largest airframe MRO with a global customer base that includes many
of the world's leading airlines, airfreight operators and military
operators. ST Aerospace provides a full spectrum of maintenance and
engineering services through its two business segments: Aircraft Maintenance
& Modification (AMM) and Component & Engine Total Support (CETS). Its
services include airframe, engine and component maintenance, repair and
overhaul; engineering design and technical services; and aviation materials
and management services, including Total Aviation Support. ST Aerospace has
a global staff strength of more than 6,000 engineers and technical
specialists. Please visit http://www.staero.aero/.
*ST Engineering* is an integrated engineering group providing solutions and
services in the aerospace, electronics, land systems and marine sectors.
Headquartered in Singapore, the Group reported revenues of $4.49b in
FY2006. With a market capitalisation of over $10b, it ranks among the
largest companies listed on the Singapore Exchange. ST Engineering has more
than 18,000 employees worldwide, and over 100 subsidiaries and associated
companies in 20 countries and 35 cities.
This comes as really good news. I do not have any info on the fees though.
Aerospace), the aerospace arm of Singapore Technologies Engineering Ltd (ST
Engineering), today announced that it has signed a joint venture agreement
with Aviation Training Academy (Singapore) Pte Ltd (ATAS) to set up a
commercial pilot training academy in Singapore. The Singapore-based joint
venture company, known as ST Aviation Training Academy Pte Ltd (STATA), will
be majority owned by ST Aerospace with a 70% stake and ATAS, holding a 30%
stake. STATA will have a total investment of US$5.2 (about S$8m).
This investment is not expected to have any material impact on the
consolidated net tangible assets per share and earnings per share of ST
Engineering for the current financial year.
STATA will be operated and managed by ST Aerospace as a part of its global
network, drawing on ST Aerospace's aircraft engineering and military pilot
training expertise and ATAS' airline management and commercial pilot
training experience.
The academy will commence its ab initio flying training in Australia in
October 2007, and start the synthetic centric flight training at its Seletar
Airport facility in Singapore by early 2009. It will initially provide
traditional pilot training under the existing Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL)
and Air Transport Pilot Licence (ATPL) curricula, and eventually include a
Multi-crew Pilot Licence (MPL) programme upon endorsements from relevant
airworthiness authorities. The MPL programme offers advances in teaching
methodologies and simulation technologies in a multi-crew cooperation
environment over the traditional pilot training programme. This enables
pilots to be trained in half the time required compared to traditional
training.
*"There is a significant demand for pilots in Asia, propelled by the upturn
in the aviation industry and a record number of aircraft deliveries over the
next few years. STATA aims to seize an early mover advantage using the MPL
programme. It will leverage on ST Aerospace's expertise and connections, as
well as ATAS knowledge in the commercial pilot training. Overcoming this
supply shortfall, MPL training is a state-of-the-art approach, tailored to
meet today's airlines' requirements. It challenges the mindset shift from
conventional pilot training methodologies to that available under MPL, and
we are confident this evolutionary MPL programme will bring tremendous value
for the airline industry." ~ Eddie ONG, President, STATA*
*"The establishment of STATA allows ST Aerospace to build on our training
business and at the same time, broaden our Total Aviation Support value
proposition to aircraft operators. This extension of the training dimension
of our business will provide more avenues through which we can bring value
to our customers and enable them to focus on their core airline business.
This initiative is a demonstration of our ability to expand our value chain
- through collaboration with partners." ~ TAY Kok Khiang, President, ST
Aerospace*
According to Boeing, airlines around the world will require 17,000 new
pilots a year until 2024 just to keep up with new aircraft deliveries. In
2007 alone, airlines in Asia Pacific are estimated to require over 40,000
pilots while there may be a pool of only 30,000 trained pilots available.
With the advent of newer aircraft and the upturn of the industry, pilot
needs by airlines in Asia Pacific may grow to an estimated 75,000 over the
next five years. Annual pilot demand for the region could average at 6,750.
STATA is ST Aerospace's second commercial pilot training unit since the
acquisition of Sydney-based Pacific Flight Services Pty Ltd in April 2007.
Besides commercial training, ST Aerospace currently provides military pilot
training using the twin-engine King Air C-90 Beechcraft that was configured
to meet the Republic of Singapore Air Force's (RSAF) special training
requirements.
*ST Aerospace* is the aerospace arm of ST Engineering. Operating a global
MRO network with facilities in Asia Pacific, Europe and the US, it is the
world's largest airframe MRO with a global customer base that includes many
of the world's leading airlines, airfreight operators and military
operators. ST Aerospace provides a full spectrum of maintenance and
engineering services through its two business segments: Aircraft Maintenance
& Modification (AMM) and Component & Engine Total Support (CETS). Its
services include airframe, engine and component maintenance, repair and
overhaul; engineering design and technical services; and aviation materials
and management services, including Total Aviation Support. ST Aerospace has
a global staff strength of more than 6,000 engineers and technical
specialists. Please visit http://www.staero.aero/.
*ST Engineering* is an integrated engineering group providing solutions and
services in the aerospace, electronics, land systems and marine sectors.
Headquartered in Singapore, the Group reported revenues of $4.49b in
FY2006. With a market capitalisation of over $10b, it ranks among the
largest companies listed on the Singapore Exchange. ST Engineering has more
than 18,000 employees worldwide, and over 100 subsidiaries and associated
companies in 20 countries and 35 cities.
This comes as really good news. I do not have any info on the fees though.
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hey cruisercruiser, the new JV for pilot training is great news for all aspiring pilots! any idea on what is the criteria for intake? do they take in self-sponsored trainees or only those selected by sia? anyone can shed some light regarding cost, entry requirements, training program?
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http://www.stengg.com/pressroom/pres...aspx?paid=1141
just keep a look out on thier website or newspaper......good news for us...i think many people will have these 3 questions
1. How much? ( any sponsorship?)
2. Entry criteria? (age limit?, qulification?)
3. Prospect? (any company hiring ppl from this course?)\
anybody has any update please post here.
just keep a look out on thier website or newspaper......good news for us...i think many people will have these 3 questions
1. How much? ( any sponsorship?)
2. Entry criteria? (age limit?, qulification?)
3. Prospect? (any company hiring ppl from this course?)\
anybody has any update please post here.
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More info on STATA?
Hi hopeful,
Unfortunately I have no detailed info on the school that's going to be set up. What I posted was the press release by the company and that is all i know.
SIA is still training it's own cadets in SFC and there is no news whatsoever that says it's going to sub-con the training of it's cadets. Any comments on this?
I'm hoping the school is set up for private candidates. This will give us more options over and above what's available in malaysia...
Another point to note is that the press release did not name the authority that endorses the license. Only " relevant airworthiness authority" was mentioned. Let's wish CAAS recognise the license. Could the school provide CASA license (??)
cheers
Unfortunately I have no detailed info on the school that's going to be set up. What I posted was the press release by the company and that is all i know.
SIA is still training it's own cadets in SFC and there is no news whatsoever that says it's going to sub-con the training of it's cadets. Any comments on this?
I'm hoping the school is set up for private candidates. This will give us more options over and above what's available in malaysia...
Another point to note is that the press release did not name the authority that endorses the license. Only " relevant airworthiness authority" was mentioned. Let's wish CAAS recognise the license. Could the school provide CASA license (??)
cheers
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This article from Flight International is interesting reading for those considering flight training in Australia. A quote from the article states the following about Australian flight crew qualifications;
Asia's airlines are increasingly sending their pilots to Australia for training, lured by an excellent climate, wide open spaces and internationally recognised qualifications
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True
Originally Posted by cruisercruiser
"...Australian qualifications that are internationally recognised. "but not recognised in singapore! How ironical that CAAS endorses malaysian DCA license.
101% true! Well said cruisecruiser!
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Originally Posted by hopeful_pilot
just wondering, how do we apply to join this program? cant seem to find any info abt it..anyone has any idea wat is the cost?many thanks!
I won't let out any "clue" on this yet. Otherwise, people will always try to reason out what they knew. I am pretty sure there are many people knew about this.
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seems like there is not much hope for self-sponsored sporean CPL holders dont u think so?
even after completing the course and getting a CPL/fATPL, one must build up many hours of flying before even contemplating applying to an airline..
and it seems tt not many schs in australia are keen on hiring asians as instructors..
any suggestions?
even after completing the course and getting a CPL/fATPL, one must build up many hours of flying before even contemplating applying to an airline..
and it seems tt not many schs in australia are keen on hiring asians as instructors..
any suggestions?
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Originally Posted by hopeful_pilot
seems like there is not much hope for self-sponsored sporean CPL holders dont u think so? even after completing the course and getting a CPL/fATPL, one must build up many hours of flying before even contemplating applying to an airline..and it seems tt not many schs in australia are keen on hiring asians as instructors..any suggestions?
Have you calculate:
1) the cost of travelling expenses to Australia?
2) the cost of full CASA CPL course fees?
3) the cost of living in Australia during your CPL course?
4) the cost of CASA FI rating course fee?
5) the cost of living in Australia while attending your FI rating course?
What have you learnt about the FI job opportunity in Australia? Since you already know the situation in Australia, then why do you still asked? After your CASA FI rating, it does not mean you will get a job offer in Australia! Also, don't forget, you will have to go through sickening CAAS licence conversion.
Have you calculate the cost of CAAS licence conversion? Do you know what is the major requirement for CAAS licence conversion?
The bottom-line is, you still need money-money-money!
Again, if you want to be a pilot, don't be lazy to use forum search engine.
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seems like there is not much hope for self-sponsored sporean CPL holders dont u think so?
even after completing the course and getting a CPL/fATPL, one must build up many hours of flying before even contemplating applying to an airline..
and it seems tt not many schs in australia are keen on hiring asians as instructors..
any suggestions?
even after completing the course and getting a CPL/fATPL, one must build up many hours of flying before even contemplating applying to an airline..
and it seems tt not many schs in australia are keen on hiring asians as instructors..
any suggestions?
Good luck!
