Singaporean self-sponsored CPL holders - where are you?
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here we are!
hey there, just lucky to have passed by this site and finally i found out somewhere i think i can try getting good advices from. currently in massey university - atpl. THERE are many concerns and i hope you guys could help me.
1) due to the back log in hours the course is being delayed in flying and seriously - would u think it would be better to do flying at an aeroclub and at the same time do a bachelor in av. management? in the end you still get the CPL/MEIR/ ATPL - frozen BUT its at an aeroclub and also a degree...??
2) at the same cost which u pay for your second year cost fees - which is approximately 75k - which u will receive a CPL/MEIR at massey and to do an instruc. rating in your final year thats another 64k on top of that... OR - you could get both plus a C CAT rating at an aeroclub - prob canterbury or ardmore aero club/ flying school at just the same amount as your second year?
3) mainly cost is a factor here - i know its an expensive interest and risking it all seems just as fair to get a great future - but would someone please advice me on this - i am 21 this year - and i am not focusing on entering SQ but probably having an insturctor rating to gain hours and experience somewhere else before going down the path to the commercial airlines.... i love flying alot and it doesnt matter to me where i would go BUT its my parents paying and i want to be responsible on where i could go to get the best experience and a JOB after that with the current fees i am paying?
please help advice me on this....... thanks....
1) due to the back log in hours the course is being delayed in flying and seriously - would u think it would be better to do flying at an aeroclub and at the same time do a bachelor in av. management? in the end you still get the CPL/MEIR/ ATPL - frozen BUT its at an aeroclub and also a degree...??
2) at the same cost which u pay for your second year cost fees - which is approximately 75k - which u will receive a CPL/MEIR at massey and to do an instruc. rating in your final year thats another 64k on top of that... OR - you could get both plus a C CAT rating at an aeroclub - prob canterbury or ardmore aero club/ flying school at just the same amount as your second year?
3) mainly cost is a factor here - i know its an expensive interest and risking it all seems just as fair to get a great future - but would someone please advice me on this - i am 21 this year - and i am not focusing on entering SQ but probably having an insturctor rating to gain hours and experience somewhere else before going down the path to the commercial airlines.... i love flying alot and it doesnt matter to me where i would go BUT its my parents paying and i want to be responsible on where i could go to get the best experience and a JOB after that with the current fees i am paying?
please help advice me on this....... thanks....
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STATA
Anyone any news of STATA? http://www.staero.aero/www/newsevent...OTAwMDAwMDExNA
I was looking to find if there are any opportunities for cadetship (flying instructor) but to no avail.
Cheers to all bros out there yah
Pilots and wannabes alike.
I was looking to find if there are any opportunities for cadetship (flying instructor) but to no avail.
Cheers to all bros out there yah
Pilots and wannabes alike.
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I'm a self sponsored Singaporean, currently in RMIT Melbourne. Nice to meet all senior fellow Singaporeans who took this path. Honestly, how good are the chances of employment after completing the course? SQ seems a little far out of reach, I'm hoping for Jetstar Asia. What are the possibilities? Thanks!
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Hi Everyone,
Here's an update on STATA:
http://www.stata.com.sg/index.htm
Unfortunately they're CASA compliant.
Cheers,
Cruiser
Here's an update on STATA:
http://www.stata.com.sg/index.htm
Unfortunately they're CASA compliant.
Cheers,
Cruiser
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you probably need to find the right person.
Likely is that you either do your self sponsor FI or the FI scholarship.
Most likely the self sponsor as they have stop the scholarship due to too many jobs hoppers.
you can contact me thru my email m a i k o l e (at) hotmail dot com
Likely is that you either do your self sponsor FI or the FI scholarship.
Most likely the self sponsor as they have stop the scholarship due to too many jobs hoppers.
you can contact me thru my email m a i k o l e (at) hotmail dot com
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Most info are on the STATA website. Look through the FAQ's.
You basically have to go thru the entire CASA system and will obtain a CASA licence which is not recognised by CAAS. This setup is not to provide for aspiring pilots for SQ. It is for other SEA airlines mainly those in China that send their cadets there where they will then convert back to their China equivalent licences. This is also for self sponsored people who want to join Oz companies (but you need to make sure that you will have a right to work in Oz if you are not a resident in Oz).
The main thing that the website did not tell you is the cost of the course. Those of you that still aspire to join SQ/SIACargo/Silkair will still need to go thru the hoops of their selection process before starting off at SFC. For those wanting to join the LCC's eg. Tiger and Jet*, you will have to convert the licence to CAAS, however CAAS still does not recognise CASA's licence if you are Singaporean. You will need to take all the papers. CAAS may credit some of the flying that you underwent.
As for joining the airforce with a CPL. There is nothing written to reject an applicant if he/she holds a CPL. Anyway, lots of airforce guys are doing their own CPL/ATPL to join the commercial sector to pursue their 2nd career after their airforce "expiry date".
Think over very carefully as it is very very costly and make sure that you have lots of $$$.
You basically have to go thru the entire CASA system and will obtain a CASA licence which is not recognised by CAAS. This setup is not to provide for aspiring pilots for SQ. It is for other SEA airlines mainly those in China that send their cadets there where they will then convert back to their China equivalent licences. This is also for self sponsored people who want to join Oz companies (but you need to make sure that you will have a right to work in Oz if you are not a resident in Oz).
The main thing that the website did not tell you is the cost of the course. Those of you that still aspire to join SQ/SIACargo/Silkair will still need to go thru the hoops of their selection process before starting off at SFC. For those wanting to join the LCC's eg. Tiger and Jet*, you will have to convert the licence to CAAS, however CAAS still does not recognise CASA's licence if you are Singaporean. You will need to take all the papers. CAAS may credit some of the flying that you underwent.
As for joining the airforce with a CPL. There is nothing written to reject an applicant if he/she holds a CPL. Anyway, lots of airforce guys are doing their own CPL/ATPL to join the commercial sector to pursue their 2nd career after their airforce "expiry date".
Think over very carefully as it is very very costly and make sure that you have lots of $$$.
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STATA is basically in competition with http://www.flighttrainingadelaide.com/ and http://www.waaviationcollege.com.au so you can perhaps use the costs involved for the course from either to get a rough idea. Take note that it will vary quite abit if you need more hours as the flying hours in the quote are the minimum in most cases.
Below is extract from WAAC:-
Course Fees - Overseas Students
Overseas students are offered a 200 hour course. The cost of flight training will vary, dependent on the student's rate of progress, but the following is a guide for the Advanced Diploma which includes a CASA Commercial Licence:
Flying Training in a C152 dual/solo (40 hours)$7880.00Flying Training in a C172 dual (40 hours)$8980.00Flying Training in a C172 dual night (15 hours)$3517.50Flying Training in a C172 solo consolidation (25 hours)$4062.50Flying Training in a M20J solo consolidation (40 hours)$7940.00Flying Training in a M20J dual (40 hours)$10940.00Landing fees$2820.97Air Nav Charges$836.00Briefings$947.70In house exams$22.00Student licence$285.00Licensing paperwork$50.00Student Manual$25.00Navigation Study Guide$25.00CPL Manual$25.00Handling Notes & Checklists$25.00Log Book$17.50CASA Class One medical$350.00Pilot Headset$420.00Navigation equipment$150.00Away Trip Levy$190.00Membership fees$150.00Administration $1000.00Advanced Diploma Course Fees$10573.00Total Investment for CPL Career (Theory & Flying)$61,232.17
Below is extract from WAAC:-
Course Fees - Overseas Students
Overseas students are offered a 200 hour course. The cost of flight training will vary, dependent on the student's rate of progress, but the following is a guide for the Advanced Diploma which includes a CASA Commercial Licence:
Flying Training in a C152 dual/solo (40 hours)$7880.00Flying Training in a C172 dual (40 hours)$8980.00Flying Training in a C172 dual night (15 hours)$3517.50Flying Training in a C172 solo consolidation (25 hours)$4062.50Flying Training in a M20J solo consolidation (40 hours)$7940.00Flying Training in a M20J dual (40 hours)$10940.00Landing fees$2820.97Air Nav Charges$836.00Briefings$947.70In house exams$22.00Student licence$285.00Licensing paperwork$50.00Student Manual$25.00Navigation Study Guide$25.00CPL Manual$25.00Handling Notes & Checklists$25.00Log Book$17.50CASA Class One medical$350.00Pilot Headset$420.00Navigation equipment$150.00Away Trip Levy$190.00Membership fees$150.00Administration $1000.00Advanced Diploma Course Fees$10573.00Total Investment for CPL Career (Theory & Flying)$61,232.17
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new rules regarding conversion of foreign license
hi any one here heard of this? I am singaporean with FAA ATP Multi-engine and instructor certificates, anyone out there looking to convert to CAAS license and looking for jobs with LCCs/YFC/SFC..etc?
AC FCL-1(1) - 1 - 1 November 2007
C
ONVERSION OF FOREIGN PROFESSIONAL PILOT LICENCES
10 POSSIBLE EXEMPTIONS AND CREDITS FOR THE TECHNICAL GROUP OF PAPERS
AND NAVIGATION GROUP OF PAPERS
AND NAVIGATION GROUP OF PAPERS
.
Holders of Foreign ATPL(A)
10.1 Holders of foreign ATPL(A) seeking to convert to a Singapore ATPL(A) must have at least
3,000 total flying hours, of which at least 500 hours must be on civil registered transport
aircraft certificated for multi-crew operation according to the manufacturer’s flight manual.
Such applicants are exempted from the Technical Group of papers and ATPL Navigation
Group of papers. Holders of foreign ATPL(A) meeting the 3,000 total flying hour requirement
but who have with less than 500 hours on civil registered transport aircraft certificated for
multi-crew operation may convert their licence to a Singapore CPL(A)/IR.
10.2 Holders of foreign ATPL(A) who do not have the flying experience as stated in 10.1 may sit for
the Performance A Paper in lieu of the Technical Group of papers and ATPL Navigation
Group of papers, for the purpose of converting to a Singapore CPL(A)/IR. Each applicant is
allowed a maximum of three attempts to pass the Performance A Paper, failing which the
applicant is required to pass the full set of Navigation Group of papers (See “Note” at end of
paragraph 10).
Holders of Foreign CPL(A)
10.3 Holders of foreign CPL(A) seeking to convert to a Singapore CPL(A) may sit for the
Performance A Paper in lieu of the Technical Group of papers and ATPL Navigation Group of
papers. Each applicant is allowed a maximum of three attempts to pass the Performance A
Paper, failing which the applicant is required to pass the full set of the Navigation Group of
papers. (See “Note” at end of paragraph 10).
Holders of Foreign ATPL(H)
10.4 Holders of JAR-FCL ATPL(H) issued by a JAA full member state or ATPL(H) issued by HK
CAD or DCA Malaysia seeking to convert to a Singapore ATPL(H) are exempted from the
Technical Group of papers and the ATPL Navigation Group of papers. (The list of JAA full
member states can be obtained from the JAA website at www.jaa.nl.)
10.5 Holders of ATPL(H) from other ICAO contracting states seeking to convert to a Singapore
ATPL(H) must have at least 1,500 total flying hours in helicopters on scheduled public
transport or charter operations on international routes, of which at least 700 flying hours must
be P1 hours with an established operator. These holders may sit for the Special Assessment
Paper (SAP) in lieu of the Technical Group of papers and ATPL Navigation Group of papers.
Holders of Foreign CPL(H)
10.6 Holders of JAR-FCL CPL(H) issued by a JAA full member state or CPL(H) issued by HK CAD
or DCA Malaysia seeking to convert to a Singapore CPL(H) are exempted from the Technical
Group of papers and the ATPL Navigation Group of papers. (The list of JAA full member
states can be obtained from the JAA website at www.jaa.nl.)
Holders of Foreign ATPL(A)
10.1 Holders of foreign ATPL(A) seeking to convert to a Singapore ATPL(A) must have at least
3,000 total flying hours, of which at least 500 hours must be on civil registered transport
aircraft certificated for multi-crew operation according to the manufacturer’s flight manual.
Such applicants are exempted from the Technical Group of papers and ATPL Navigation
Group of papers. Holders of foreign ATPL(A) meeting the 3,000 total flying hour requirement
but who have with less than 500 hours on civil registered transport aircraft certificated for
multi-crew operation may convert their licence to a Singapore CPL(A)/IR.
10.2 Holders of foreign ATPL(A) who do not have the flying experience as stated in 10.1 may sit for
the Performance A Paper in lieu of the Technical Group of papers and ATPL Navigation
Group of papers, for the purpose of converting to a Singapore CPL(A)/IR. Each applicant is
allowed a maximum of three attempts to pass the Performance A Paper, failing which the
applicant is required to pass the full set of Navigation Group of papers (See “Note” at end of
paragraph 10).
Holders of Foreign CPL(A)
10.3 Holders of foreign CPL(A) seeking to convert to a Singapore CPL(A) may sit for the
Performance A Paper in lieu of the Technical Group of papers and ATPL Navigation Group of
papers. Each applicant is allowed a maximum of three attempts to pass the Performance A
Paper, failing which the applicant is required to pass the full set of the Navigation Group of
papers. (See “Note” at end of paragraph 10).
Holders of Foreign ATPL(H)
10.4 Holders of JAR-FCL ATPL(H) issued by a JAA full member state or ATPL(H) issued by HK
CAD or DCA Malaysia seeking to convert to a Singapore ATPL(H) are exempted from the
Technical Group of papers and the ATPL Navigation Group of papers. (The list of JAA full
member states can be obtained from the JAA website at www.jaa.nl.)
10.5 Holders of ATPL(H) from other ICAO contracting states seeking to convert to a Singapore
ATPL(H) must have at least 1,500 total flying hours in helicopters on scheduled public
transport or charter operations on international routes, of which at least 700 flying hours must
be P1 hours with an established operator. These holders may sit for the Special Assessment
Paper (SAP) in lieu of the Technical Group of papers and ATPL Navigation Group of papers.
Holders of Foreign CPL(H)
10.6 Holders of JAR-FCL CPL(H) issued by a JAA full member state or CPL(H) issued by HK CAD
or DCA Malaysia seeking to convert to a Singapore CPL(H) are exempted from the Technical
Group of papers and the ATPL Navigation Group of papers. (The list of JAA full member
states can be obtained from the JAA website at www.jaa.nl.)
AC FCL-1(1) - 4 - 1 November 2007
Note: A pass in Performance A Paper that is taken under JAR-FCL issued by a JAA full
member state, or under HK CAD or DCA Malaysia will be considered as the
equivalent for the purpose of paragraphs 10.2 and 10.3 of this AC.member state, or under HK CAD or DCA Malaysia will be considered as the
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flight instructor oppotunities
hi ladies and gentleman,
ive been following this thread quite closely as I'm one of those who self sponsored. Anyway, like i said on the title, i have leads to flight instructor opportunities. Don't have to have a FI rating, that will be sorted out. So if theres anyone genuinely interested, PM me ayte!
ive been following this thread quite closely as I'm one of those who self sponsored. Anyway, like i said on the title, i have leads to flight instructor opportunities. Don't have to have a FI rating, that will be sorted out. So if theres anyone genuinely interested, PM me ayte!
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Sq906
1. May i ask which location? Australia? Hope it is not somewhere in Africa as it is not a place for a low hour Singaporean.
2. Do you have to pay for the FI course or trade off by a bond? If so how much and how long?
3. What is the salary that can be expected?
4. Working days and hours?
I guess you should be able to post all these replies so that you will not get unneccessary PM's for those not interested in some of the above.
1. May i ask which location? Australia? Hope it is not somewhere in Africa as it is not a place for a low hour Singaporean.
2. Do you have to pay for the FI course or trade off by a bond? If so how much and how long?
3. What is the salary that can be expected?
4. Working days and hours?
I guess you should be able to post all these replies so that you will not get unneccessary PM's for those not interested in some of the above.
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hi cougar,
ok, here goes. Its in Malaysia, FI course fees may be discussed, very flexible. working tuesday to sunday. no specific time, very flexible.Pay wise, 2 options, 4.5k/mnth OR 70RM per hour, your choice.
Good place to build hours. No multi engine aircraft though, only singles. Thats about all I could post right now, PM if any of u is interested. Take care and cya!!
Regards
sq906
ok, here goes. Its in Malaysia, FI course fees may be discussed, very flexible. working tuesday to sunday. no specific time, very flexible.Pay wise, 2 options, 4.5k/mnth OR 70RM per hour, your choice.
Good place to build hours. No multi engine aircraft though, only singles. Thats about all I could post right now, PM if any of u is interested. Take care and cya!!Regards
sq906
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T.I., just to set the record straight..
CAAS recognises CPL/IR ONLY from the following flight training "schools"
- oxford
- MFA
- SFC
- Massey
- perth, scotland (not sure about the name of the training school)
thus, """"IF"""""" and when one has passed SIA's interview, ATPL(only for oxford and MFA) and basic flying phase in perth are not required, straight into learjet phase. i can name at least 10 names from the top of my head that has gone through this route.
Cheers
quote...
rock steady!
CAAS recognises CPL/IR ONLY from the following flight training "schools"
- oxford
- MFA
- SFC
- Massey
- perth, scotland (not sure about the name of the training school)
thus, """"IF"""""" and when one has passed SIA's interview, ATPL(only for oxford and MFA) and basic flying phase in perth are not required, straight into learjet phase. i can name at least 10 names from the top of my head that has gone through this route.
Cheers
quote...
rock steady!
What are my chances of actually skipping the ab-initio bit of the training? And if anyone knows how long it would take for SIA to call us up after the medical results have come out?
Thanks for your help
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wrong thread?
I am a self-sponsored CPL holder applying for a job in Singapore, so what difference does it make what country I'm from... mate?
I'm just looking for advice wherever I can find it. We are neighbours after all.
I'm just looking for advice wherever I can find it. We are neighbours after all.
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Now, I see which is the Flying Club, sq906 is referring to.
Believe it or not, the owner of that Flying Club (let's call him "the old man") is damn sickening and damn stubborn!
Actually, there were a few candidates have approached him about this (sponsorship) but the stubborn old man purposely 'hang high up' in the air. That old man has got few selections (CPL holders and MDCA approval!), but he is just too CHOSY and purposely wants people to call him. In fact, I have two ambitious friends wanted to be FI (one of them (qualified CPL holder, with MDCA approval somemore), even approached him recently, but now news from the old man).
The club used to have two permanent F.Is, however, the old man turned my two friends away. Serve him right.
The old man should have a taste struggle for F.I. He only knows how to disturb those non-FI ambitious CPL holders to be FI. Silly old man, silly idea.
The old man should recall those people who have approached him (if he is not 'stubborn' and 'old' to recall), and seriously reconsider them, perhaps call them one-by-one to find out. I am sure he will be happy. My two friends may be willing to join the team, provided he is not chosy.
From what I see, things have to be turned the other way. I believe a little bit of karma, "what goes from here, things will come back to him". Times are different, not the way the old man now approaches people.
Believe it or not, the owner of that Flying Club (let's call him "the old man") is damn sickening and damn stubborn!
Actually, there were a few candidates have approached him about this (sponsorship) but the stubborn old man purposely 'hang high up' in the air. That old man has got few selections (CPL holders and MDCA approval!), but he is just too CHOSY and purposely wants people to call him. In fact, I have two ambitious friends wanted to be FI (one of them (qualified CPL holder, with MDCA approval somemore), even approached him recently, but now news from the old man).
The club used to have two permanent F.Is, however, the old man turned my two friends away. Serve him right.
The old man should have a taste struggle for F.I. He only knows how to disturb those non-FI ambitious CPL holders to be FI. Silly old man, silly idea. The old man should recall those people who have approached him (if he is not 'stubborn' and 'old' to recall), and seriously reconsider them, perhaps call them one-by-one to find out. I am sure he will be happy. My two friends may be willing to join the team, provided he is not chosy.
From what I see, things have to be turned the other way. I believe a little bit of karma, "what goes from here, things will come back to him". Times are different, not the way the old man now approaches people.
The longer he waits, the higher the fuel cost, the more money he loses!
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Hey dead thread ah?? No fellow singaporean is self sponsored nowadays?
Anyway, me about to complete my course in Msia and I will apply for SQ again. The sun may set but my heart never will!
Worse to worst, I will instruct in Msia. My affinity for aviation, though started not too long ago since my first SIA interview, shall not end in such aburpt fashion. Haha
Cheers everyone and pls do share some of your stories.
Anyway, me about to complete my course in Msia and I will apply for SQ again. The sun may set but my heart never will!
Worse to worst, I will instruct in Msia. My affinity for aviation, though started not too long ago since my first SIA interview, shall not end in such aburpt fashion. Haha
Cheers everyone and pls do share some of your stories.