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suspicious as well
for me it apppears pretty strange as well what they offer.
have heard they donīt give contracts after positive screenings and further funny things.
have been invited four (4!) times now each time responding I am not willing to come as long as they donīt pay for the trip ( as CAL does i.e).
Cīmon people the market is opening for us all itīs time to take the rudder into our hands. if they need pilots why the hell donīt they pay for the trips?? Why the hell do the airlines still treat us like dogs.
No drivers no ops. damn it
app dragon air and qatar now
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have heard they donīt give contracts after positive screenings and further funny things.
have been invited four (4!) times now each time responding I am not willing to come as long as they donīt pay for the trip ( as CAL does i.e).
Cīmon people the market is opening for us all itīs time to take the rudder into our hands. if they need pilots why the hell donīt they pay for the trips?? Why the hell do the airlines still treat us like dogs.
No drivers no ops. damn it
app dragon air and qatar now
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Originally Posted by 14L
for me it apppears pretty strange as well what they offer.
have heard they donīt give contracts after positive screenings and further funny things.
have been invited four (4!) times now each time responding I am not willing to come as long as they donīt pay for the trip ( as CAL does i.e).
Cīmon people the market is opening for us all itīs time to take the rudder into our hands. if they need pilots why the hell donīt they pay for the trips?? Why the hell do the airlines still treat us like dogs.
No drivers no ops. damn it
app dragon air and qatar now
cheerz
have heard they donīt give contracts after positive screenings and further funny things.
have been invited four (4!) times now each time responding I am not willing to come as long as they donīt pay for the trip ( as CAL does i.e).
Cīmon people the market is opening for us all itīs time to take the rudder into our hands. if they need pilots why the hell donīt they pay for the trips?? Why the hell do the airlines still treat us like dogs.
No drivers no ops. damn it
app dragon air and qatar now
cheerz
While I agree with you to a certain extent, I'd like to point out that there are plenty of other, already long-standing carriers (in the US) such as Atlas/Polar Air, Kalitta Air, Omni Air International etc., all of whom ask the candidates to foot the airfare to interview. Some will pay for the hotel - just like Jade - others expect you to do it all, if you want the job. Besides, Jade said they would refund the airfare, if you get hired.
Like it or not, it is becoming "normal" practice for may airlines as part of their cost-cutting measures and this is why you should do your homework on the company and why you would want to work there. If you feel it's too much of a burden or risk, then don't go, is the simply answer.
Another way of looking at it, is that most job hunting expenses such as travel to interview (especially air transportation overseas), is a tax deductible (see your tax advisor for more details). I've used this many times when I've considered the risk worth forking out hundreds, if not thousands in going to various interviews. Sometimes you might get the company to go half-way and reimburse you half the airfare, it really depends on the airline and even tthe country. If you don't ask, you don't get, is a good adage.
Keep in mind that the airline business is unique when compared to most other professions. Yes, another company may pay for you to relocate to another part of the country or even overseas, but that does not mean that every company will do it! The airline industry is truly global and unfortunately, it does mean travelling long distances to interview and get the job.
I'm not saying I agree that airlines should get the candidate to pay to get there, I'm saying what I have experienced in recent years and this is not uncommon at all. At least Jade were up-front about it, so you knew before you went what the deal was. I, too, was called for interview and that was one of the deciding factors why I did not go (there were others). And I might change my mind later.
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RE: Strange things??.......
You did not mention what these strange things were!
Again, I'm not saying it's the bees knees but if you did your homework, you might understand a bit more what an airline like this is all about. Also, if they called/emailed you, did you ask specific questions of them? I always have a list of what I consider basic, fundamental questions. I gather as much info as I can from their website and forums such as this and ask people lots of questions. Then, I decide if it's worth my time (and money) to go or not go.
Not sure what you meant by not offering contracts. Did you ask? What is your source?
The biggest thing here is that this is the first time that there is a foriegn interest in a mainland Chinese airline, so they are bound to have teething problems especially if they are a start-up as well! You have to consider the Chinese cultural thing in that they are probably not used to having lots of foreigners involved in the business on their soil or doing it Western style. Having said that, I understand that the management pilots will all be Westerners and I assume have the know-how of how to run an airline. One source tells me that the reason that things seem in disarray is that they are still ironing out the details of it all. Maybe in China they don't have contracts, I've no idea. But I think things will change slowly as they will have to embrace the global culture if they are to be a success.
Again, I'm not saying it's the bees knees but if you did your homework, you might understand a bit more what an airline like this is all about. Also, if they called/emailed you, did you ask specific questions of them? I always have a list of what I consider basic, fundamental questions. I gather as much info as I can from their website and forums such as this and ask people lots of questions. Then, I decide if it's worth my time (and money) to go or not go.
Not sure what you meant by not offering contracts. Did you ask? What is your source?
The biggest thing here is that this is the first time that there is a foriegn interest in a mainland Chinese airline, so they are bound to have teething problems especially if they are a start-up as well! You have to consider the Chinese cultural thing in that they are probably not used to having lots of foreigners involved in the business on their soil or doing it Western style. Having said that, I understand that the management pilots will all be Westerners and I assume have the know-how of how to run an airline. One source tells me that the reason that things seem in disarray is that they are still ironing out the details of it all. Maybe in China they don't have contracts, I've no idea. But I think things will change slowly as they will have to embrace the global culture if they are to be a success.
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I am sorry guys but a Cie who can not tell you what is the package they are offering do not look pretty serious to me
By the way ALEX it is a new Cie .but This is Shenzen Airlines starting a new Cie with Lufthanza . Even the pilots working for Shenzen Airlines do not have any travelling agreements.
With their system they can interview 1000 pilots without spending one cent This is pretty cheap
AT least They should tell what is the package THEN you decide if you are ready to spend that kind of money
When you buy 6 brand new Aircraft for 1,200,000,000 US and that you are looking for experienced pilots you should be able to pay for their planes ticket
By the way ALEX it is a new Cie .but This is Shenzen Airlines starting a new Cie with Lufthanza . Even the pilots working for Shenzen Airlines do not have any travelling agreements.
With their system they can interview 1000 pilots without spending one cent This is pretty cheap
AT least They should tell what is the package THEN you decide if you are ready to spend that kind of money
When you buy 6 brand new Aircraft for 1,200,000,000 US and that you are looking for experienced pilots you should be able to pay for their planes ticket
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I am amazed to see the number of whores still on the street willing to pay for their travel and even type rating. As an individual I cant do much but to spit on their face when ever I come across the few of them.
These are the same people that carry their own Vaseline when called to Ops. For favors or backstabbing instructions.
These are the same people that carry their own Vaseline when called to Ops. For favors or backstabbing instructions.
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there are still pilots in the world that like their job and love to fly a beautiful b744,that has nothing to do with vaseline.By the way other people more down to earth have to pay for their travel aswell when they go for an interview..........so time to come out of your ivory tower and get in the real world where there is competition and people that make 1500 usd per month for a living
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Originally Posted by LindbergB767
I am sorry guys but a Cie who can not tell you what is the package they are offering do not look pretty serious to me
By the way ALEX it is a new Cie .but This is Shenzen Airlines starting a new Cie with Lufthanza . Even the pilots working for Shenzen Airlines do not have any travelling agreements.
With their system they can interview 1000 pilots without spending one cent This is pretty cheap
AT least They should tell what is the package THEN you decide if you are ready to spend that kind of money
When you buy 6 brand new Aircraft for 1,200,000,000 US and that you are looking for experienced pilots you should be able to pay for their planes ticket
By the way ALEX it is a new Cie .but This is Shenzen Airlines starting a new Cie with Lufthanza . Even the pilots working for Shenzen Airlines do not have any travelling agreements.
With their system they can interview 1000 pilots without spending one cent This is pretty cheap
AT least They should tell what is the package THEN you decide if you are ready to spend that kind of money
When you buy 6 brand new Aircraft for 1,200,000,000 US and that you are looking for experienced pilots you should be able to pay for their planes ticket
I did my homework and decided not to attend! One of my reasons was the airfare which, for me, would have been more than yours!
If everyone did their homework diligently, then you would know what the "deal" is then you could make an informed decision based on your personal circumstances.
Loopy - maybe you haven't heard but there are all kinds of people out there with different circumstances. Hard to believe, I know but not everyone is like you
!! You know nothing about them, so cannot judge them.I do not decry them trying. Maybe it's right for them. Each to his own I say.
Just do your homework and THEN decide whether to go or not. This really is not rocket science, guys!!!
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Alex,
you do a lot of homework as it seems, a good preparation is always halīf the way to get anywhere. Absolutely correct! Well ,done. I do my homerwork as well and I a part of it is collectiong information.
you asked me about my sources, I īll tell you: I know to buddies who went do to shenzhen and passed the interview. they did not get any piece of paper, nothing. They donīt even know when or if they will get something.
Jade has no idea of how operation will be, no plans no detailed information. Cīmon...
I am sorry but in my eyes this is ridiculous. They announce to payback for the expenses blablabla. They donīt give any benfits, you go home with nothing in your hands after the interview, even if you passed lot of funny things going on.
What kind of airline can this be?? Wow coop with Lufthansa how shiny! fly 747 more shiny even, based in shenzhen super shiny. How about giving people an idea of what they have to expect? that would be less shiny but transparent for everybody.
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you do a lot of homework as it seems, a good preparation is always halīf the way to get anywhere. Absolutely correct! Well ,done. I do my homerwork as well and I a part of it is collectiong information.
you asked me about my sources, I īll tell you: I know to buddies who went do to shenzhen and passed the interview. they did not get any piece of paper, nothing. They donīt even know when or if they will get something.
Jade has no idea of how operation will be, no plans no detailed information. Cīmon...
I am sorry but in my eyes this is ridiculous. They announce to payback for the expenses blablabla. They donīt give any benfits, you go home with nothing in your hands after the interview, even if you passed lot of funny things going on.
What kind of airline can this be?? Wow coop with Lufthansa how shiny! fly 747 more shiny even, based in shenzhen super shiny. How about giving people an idea of what they have to expect? that would be less shiny but transparent for everybody.
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hello there guys, esp. those who have been to Shenzhen for the interview :
I submitted the online application last week, haven't been called back yet.
Just kind of wondering if Jade is recruiting Chinese pilots from the mainland?Was there a yellow face there with you during the interview?
I saw the hiring ads in a Chinese BBS.Only the basic facts of the company and minimum requirememnts ,nothing about the pay, bond,insurance,etc.
I know it is a joint venture outfit,but I guess the lufthansa side isn't much involved.I don't know much the airline recruitment in the rest of the world. But if being hired by a Chinese airlines,it wouldn't surprised me if the T&Cs was to be unveiled at the last minute and be changed afterward.They do that, and we are used to it.Having said that, I sitll hope that Jade isn't as disgraceful as other Chinese counterparts.
P.S. very intrested to know how difficult is the English test.Is there any other kind of test(like TOEFL etc.) on the same level?
I submitted the online application last week, haven't been called back yet.
Just kind of wondering if Jade is recruiting Chinese pilots from the mainland?Was there a yellow face there with you during the interview?
I saw the hiring ads in a Chinese BBS.Only the basic facts of the company and minimum requirememnts ,nothing about the pay, bond,insurance,etc.
I know it is a joint venture outfit,but I guess the lufthansa side isn't much involved.I don't know much the airline recruitment in the rest of the world. But if being hired by a Chinese airlines,it wouldn't surprised me if the T&Cs was to be unveiled at the last minute and be changed afterward.They do that, and we are used to it.Having said that, I sitll hope that Jade isn't as disgraceful as other Chinese counterparts.
P.S. very intrested to know how difficult is the English test.Is there any other kind of test(like TOEFL etc.) on the same level?
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Lots of Yellow faces, including a Chinese FO flying the -400 for Air China
English test was hard. It is paired with the DLR and 7 out of 12 failed that day.
After a week there. I have NO IDEA about the actual package.
I am accepting another position elsewhere.
English test was hard. It is paired with the DLR and 7 out of 12 failed that day.
After a week there. I have NO IDEA about the actual package.
I am accepting another position elsewhere.
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I agree wholehartedly with what you say. All I was trying to say is that the chinese are different to the rest of the world! So, don't expect the same rules and way of doing business, that's all. And if you don't like the sound of it or, they don't answer your questions satisfactorily, then DO NOT GO TO THE INTERVIEW!!!!!
Everyone is an individual and has different needs or wants. It is up to you to look at the big picture and decide if this is for you. If you are not happy with what you see/hear, then decision made! But if you get excited by shiny this and that then you run the risk of being disappointed. If you still go, knowing full well that questions are not being answered, then who can really blame for going and not getting the facts. EACH INDIVIDUAL has to make up his or her mind about that. I can only say what I did and that was, I was not satisfied with the info I was getting (I did have friends who went, despite the risks - but that was their decision), so, even though I felt flattered that I was invited, I did not go because, it was TOO BIG A RISK FOR ME!!! And judging by the responses coming back to me by those that went, I MADE THE RIGHT DECISION - FOR ME!
I had no real idea how it would turn out, but made the decision that I would not go - at least, not for now. I asked for feedback from frineds that did go and they proved me right. They spent the money and got nothing. I saved a lot of money and did not waste my time.
End of story......I hope you will view this as an excercise in human nature and decsion-making and I wish you well.
Everyone is an individual and has different needs or wants. It is up to you to look at the big picture and decide if this is for you. If you are not happy with what you see/hear, then decision made! But if you get excited by shiny this and that then you run the risk of being disappointed. If you still go, knowing full well that questions are not being answered, then who can really blame for going and not getting the facts. EACH INDIVIDUAL has to make up his or her mind about that. I can only say what I did and that was, I was not satisfied with the info I was getting (I did have friends who went, despite the risks - but that was their decision), so, even though I felt flattered that I was invited, I did not go because, it was TOO BIG A RISK FOR ME!!! And judging by the responses coming back to me by those that went, I MADE THE RIGHT DECISION - FOR ME!
I had no real idea how it would turn out, but made the decision that I would not go - at least, not for now. I asked for feedback from frineds that did go and they proved me right. They spent the money and got nothing. I saved a lot of money and did not waste my time.
End of story......I hope you will view this as an excercise in human nature and decsion-making and I wish you well.
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Oh dear, what can the matter be???!!!
Originally Posted by AAIGUY
Lots of Yellow faces, including a Chinese FO flying the -400 for Air China
English test was hard. It is paired with the DLR and 7 out of 12 failed that day.
After a week there. I have NO IDEA about the actual package.
I am accepting another position elsewhere.
English test was hard. It is paired with the DLR and 7 out of 12 failed that day.
After a week there. I have NO IDEA about the actual package.
I am accepting another position elsewhere.
Your comments all seem to back up what most "feared" on this company and that is, that they are ill-prepared at this moment in time. That is an inherent risk associated with all start-up companies. Their start-up dates (July 1 for Jade) get pushed back further and further because of unseen circumstances or indeed, problems of their own making sometimes.
I have worked for start-ups before, so I'm a little more tuned than some people about this kind of thing and factored heavily in my own choice in not attending the interview. Seems like my hunches were right on the button - for a change! For you living in HKG, this was presumably, a nice few days off and a 40-minute train ride? For me it would have ended up being a trans-Pacific flight of some 14 hours, hotel and day stop in HKG, then further transportation to SXZ plus 3-4 days out of my busy schedule. All at my own cost. That's a helluva lot to ask for nothing in return and quite simply, I was not prepared to do that unless there was up-front talk. Heck, it seems that virtually all the people that went came away empty-handed! That must inevitably put a great big question mark over their recruiting methods and indeed, their start-up date subsequently.
I'm happy to sit it out and see what happens down the road before I make any decision on my long-term future f I'm going to be working overseas half-way around the world. Sooner or later, Jade will discover this too otherwise they will remain a paper airline.
Thanks for all your info and feedback. Very enlightening, indeed and let's hope we all learn a lesson or two from this.
Good luck with the new job!
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Originally Posted by MaxThrust
Hi chaps have read your thread with interest.
I am 747-400 rated with 5000 hours on type and have not heard a word from this mob. I wonder if they are looking for people who will do anything to get on the jumbo. Most likely you will not have any flight time limitations and if you complain about anything, (once your are employed) you will probably find yourself unemployed very quickly.
Shenzen is a dump like most of southern china so if you go there expect very poluted air and most people will not speak english.
Max
I am 747-400 rated with 5000 hours on type and have not heard a word from this mob. I wonder if they are looking for people who will do anything to get on the jumbo. Most likely you will not have any flight time limitations and if you complain about anything, (once your are employed) you will probably find yourself unemployed very quickly.
Shenzen is a dump like most of southern china so if you go there expect very poluted air and most people will not speak english.
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Jade Results.....
Gentlemen,
Just finished the entire interview process and was selected for the job.(There were 38 candidates and only 9 were selected during this screening) so this means that there are people who are interested.Yes, I did do a great deal of homework before attending and weighed the pros and cons (first time that I had to pay to attend a screening but guys at Cathay, Emirates, Singapore also have to pay for their initial transport to the interviews
.Jade did provide for accomodation and the whole screening process was very well handled and we were provided with alot of facilities....only had to pay for food which is relatively cheap and good here.)
Just to clarify a few points,the T&C's are disclosed during the final interview and the VP Flt Ops has answered all questions that were asked (to the best of his ability with the current information he had) and the type rating course dates start on the 27th March/3 April/10th April.The entire package is not too bad(compared to other deals on todays market) but don't forget that this is a start up and this is also China so there is alot to iron out still and Rome wasn't built in a day.....
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Jade is taking as much a risk by not taking any money upfront (like SINCargo and China Airlines) for the type rating so technically, someone could do the course and get the rating on his foreign licence and just walk away.....it's a two way street as I see it and other viewpoints are welcomed.
If you look at the big picture,there is Shenzhen Airlines, Lufthansa cargo and a big German Development bank backing this project so there should be some kind of funding behind it.They have already upfronted 90 million dollars and haven't turned a wheel yet....
.....think about it.
It was a big gamble to attend and maybe it will pay off and maybe it won't but how are you supposed to find out if you don't try(call me naive). Not everybody is in the same position and I respect all points of view (except for Loopy who needs to grow up,get some manners and a
life).There are many jobs out there and they will need reasonably qualified people so even if this outfit doesn't take off,then it's time to move to plan B.....Just to answer a few other remarks mentioned, yes the place is full of yellow faces but this is CHINA...helloooo and the Chinese were not offered any positions here.Too much red tape for this to happen.
That's all for now so good luck to everybody in their future endeavours...Alex757 check your pm......
Just finished the entire interview process and was selected for the job.(There were 38 candidates and only 9 were selected during this screening) so this means that there are people who are interested.Yes, I did do a great deal of homework before attending and weighed the pros and cons (first time that I had to pay to attend a screening but guys at Cathay, Emirates, Singapore also have to pay for their initial transport to the interviews
.Jade did provide for accomodation and the whole screening process was very well handled and we were provided with alot of facilities....only had to pay for food which is relatively cheap and good here.) Just to clarify a few points,the T&C's are disclosed during the final interview and the VP Flt Ops has answered all questions that were asked (to the best of his ability with the current information he had) and the type rating course dates start on the 27th March/3 April/10th April.The entire package is not too bad(compared to other deals on todays market) but don't forget that this is a start up and this is also China so there is alot to iron out still and Rome wasn't built in a day.....
.Jade is taking as much a risk by not taking any money upfront (like SINCargo and China Airlines) for the type rating so technically, someone could do the course and get the rating on his foreign licence and just walk away.....it's a two way street as I see it and other viewpoints are welcomed.
If you look at the big picture,there is Shenzhen Airlines, Lufthansa cargo and a big German Development bank backing this project so there should be some kind of funding behind it.They have already upfronted 90 million dollars and haven't turned a wheel yet....
.....think about it.It was a big gamble to attend and maybe it will pay off and maybe it won't but how are you supposed to find out if you don't try(call me naive). Not everybody is in the same position and I respect all points of view (except for Loopy who needs to grow up,get some manners and a
life).There are many jobs out there and they will need reasonably qualified people so even if this outfit doesn't take off,then it's time to move to plan B.....Just to answer a few other remarks mentioned, yes the place is full of yellow faces but this is CHINA...helloooo and the Chinese were not offered any positions here.Too much red tape for this to happen.That's all for now so good luck to everybody in their future endeavours...Alex757 check your pm......
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Gentlemen,
Just finished the entire interview process and was selected for the job.(There were 38 candidates and only 9 were selected during this screening) so this means that there are people who are interested.Yes, I did do a great deal of homework before attending and weighed the pros and cons (first time that I had to pay to attend a screening but guys at Cathay, Emirates, Singapore also have to pay for their initial transport to the interviews .Jade did provide for accomodation and the whole screening process was very well handled and we were provided with alot of facilities....only had to pay for food which is relatively cheap and good here.)
Just to clarify a few points,the T&C's are disclosed during the final interview and the VP Flt Ops has answered all questions that were asked (to the best of his ability with the current information he had) and the type rating course dates start on the 27th March/3 April/10th April.The entire package is not too bad(compared to other deals on todays market) but don't forget that this is a start up and this is also China so there is alot to iron out still and Rome wasn't built in a day..... .
Jade is taking as much a risk by not taking any money upfront (like SINCargo and China Airlines) for the type rating so technically, someone could do the course and get the rating on his foreign licence and just walk away.....it's a two way street as I see it and other viewpoints are welcomed.
If you look at the big picture,there is Shenzhen Airlines, Lufthansa cargo and a big German Development bank backing this project so there should be some kind of funding behind it.They have already upfronted 90 million dollars and haven't turned a wheel yet.... .....think about it.
It was a big gamble to attend and maybe it will pay off and maybe it won't but how are you supposed to find out if you don't try(call me naive). Not everybody is in the same position and I respect all points of view (except for Loopy who needs to grow up,get some manners and a life).There are many jobs out there and they will need reasonably qualified people so even if this outfit doesn't take off,then it's time to move to plan B.....Just to answer a few other remarks mentioned, yes the place is full of yellow faces but this is CHINA...helloooo and the Chinese were not offered any positions here.Too much red tape for this to happen.
That's all for now so good luck to everybody in their future endeavours...Alex757 check your pm......
Just finished the entire interview process and was selected for the job.(There were 38 candidates and only 9 were selected during this screening) so this means that there are people who are interested.Yes, I did do a great deal of homework before attending and weighed the pros and cons (first time that I had to pay to attend a screening but guys at Cathay, Emirates, Singapore also have to pay for their initial transport to the interviews
.Jade did provide for accomodation and the whole screening process was very well handled and we were provided with alot of facilities....only had to pay for food which is relatively cheap and good here.) Just to clarify a few points,the T&C's are disclosed during the final interview and the VP Flt Ops has answered all questions that were asked (to the best of his ability with the current information he had) and the type rating course dates start on the 27th March/3 April/10th April.The entire package is not too bad(compared to other deals on todays market) but don't forget that this is a start up and this is also China so there is alot to iron out still and Rome wasn't built in a day.....
.Jade is taking as much a risk by not taking any money upfront (like SINCargo and China Airlines) for the type rating so technically, someone could do the course and get the rating on his foreign licence and just walk away.....it's a two way street as I see it and other viewpoints are welcomed.
If you look at the big picture,there is Shenzhen Airlines, Lufthansa cargo and a big German Development bank backing this project so there should be some kind of funding behind it.They have already upfronted 90 million dollars and haven't turned a wheel yet....
.....think about it.It was a big gamble to attend and maybe it will pay off and maybe it won't but how are you supposed to find out if you don't try(call me naive). Not everybody is in the same position and I respect all points of view (except for Loopy who needs to grow up,get some manners and a
life).There are many jobs out there and they will need reasonably qualified people so even if this outfit doesn't take off,then it's time to move to plan B.....Just to answer a few other remarks mentioned, yes the place is full of yellow faces but this is CHINA...helloooo and the Chinese were not offered any positions here.Too much red tape for this to happen.That's all for now so good luck to everybody in their future endeavours...Alex757 check your pm......
At SQ, you don't pay for initial transport to the interview!
If the T&Cs are so good, why don't you share them with everyone else????
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Hey PS,
No need to get aggro about this
.....needed to get some shut eye and here are the T&C's they offer......and for my own info,even if you go for the SIN Cargo interview, don't you have to pay your own way!?Anyways, it's the principle of the thing....I would rather shell out 600 bucks to get across here than have to sign a $20000 bank loan guarantee....you will understand the rest in the description.....
Secundo,I never said that they were "so good" as you put it but rather stated that they were "not too bad compared to other deals on the market".....just to clarify a couple of points .
As for salary,it's USD9500/month for captains and USD6500/month for F/O's and here are the drawbacks.....this includes housing/per diem/and will be paid in equivalent yuan currency to be deposited in a Chinese bank account (as far as I understood). This has to do with the Chinese tax laws.....
For non type rated pilots, a monthly sum of USD1200 will be deducted from your salary for three years but you will be fully reimbursed this cumulative sum after completeing the 3 years.( It's a big gamble on their part since you can technically walk away from Jade with a full 744F type rating).....
During initial training, you will only be paid USD6300/month until completion of your line check.
You will have to apply for a Chinese ATPL and this has to be done before you start line flying.This involves a theoretical exam like the FAA one.
They do pay for loss of licence insurance,medical insurance,overtime after 80 hours (rate is USD100/hour), fly a maximum of 100 hours/month,relocation fee of USD2000 on a one time basis, subsidised schooling (no amount was given),37 days paid annual leave just to name a few.....
The proposed start date was July 1st but this has been pushed back to July 25th since Boeing has a delay in delivery due to a strike.
The first training class starts on March 27th then the second on April 3rd and the last on April 10th......in Seattle.Now it is up to the individuals that passed to take it or leave it.......everybody has an agenda.
Hope that this answers some of your questions.....
No need to get aggro about this
.....needed to get some shut eye and here are the T&C's they offer......and for my own info,even if you go for the SIN Cargo interview, don't you have to pay your own way!?Anyways, it's the principle of the thing....I would rather shell out 600 bucks to get across here than have to sign a $20000 bank loan guarantee....you will understand the rest in the description.....Secundo,I never said that they were "so good" as you put it but rather stated that they were "not too bad compared to other deals on the market".....just to clarify a couple of points
.As for salary,it's USD9500/month for captains and USD6500/month for F/O's and here are the drawbacks.....this includes housing/per diem/and will be paid in equivalent yuan currency to be deposited in a Chinese bank account (as far as I understood). This has to do with the Chinese tax laws.....
For non type rated pilots, a monthly sum of USD1200 will be deducted from your salary for three years but you will be fully reimbursed this cumulative sum after completeing the 3 years.( It's a big gamble on their part
since you can technically walk away from Jade with a full 744F type rating).....During initial training, you will only be paid USD6300/month until completion of your line check.
You will have to apply for a Chinese ATPL and this has to be done before you start line flying.This involves a theoretical exam like the FAA one.
They do pay for loss of licence insurance,medical insurance,overtime after 80 hours (rate is USD100/hour), fly a maximum of 100 hours/month,relocation fee of USD2000 on a one time basis, subsidised schooling (no amount was given),37 days paid annual leave just to name a few.....
The proposed start date was July 1st but this has been pushed back to July 25th since Boeing has a delay in delivery due to a strike.
The first training class starts on March 27th then the second on April 3rd and the last on April 10th......in Seattle.Now it is up to the individuals that passed to take it or leave it.......everybody has an agenda.
Hope that this answers some of your questions.....
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Originally Posted by rwethereyet
Hey PS,
No need to get aggro about this .....needed to get some shut eye and here are the T&C's they offer......and for my own info,even if you go for the SIN Cargo interview, don't you have to pay your own way!?Anyways, it's the principle of the thing....I would rather shell out 600 bucks to get across here than have to sign a $20000 bank loan guarantee....you will understand the rest in the description.....
Secundo,I never said that they were "so good" as you put it but rather stated that they were "not too bad compared to other deals on the market".....just to clarify a couple of points .
As for salary,it's USD9500/month for captains and USD6500/month for F/O's and here are the drawbacks.....this includes housing/per diem/and will be paid in equivalent yuan currency to be deposited in a Chinese bank account (as far as I understood). This has to do with the Chinese tax laws.....
For non type rated pilots, a monthly sum of USD1200 will be deducted from your salary for three years but you will be fully reimbursed this cumulative sum after completeing the 3 years.( It's a big gamble on their part since you can technically walk away from Jade with a full 744F type rating).....
During initial training, you will only be paid USD6300/month until completion of your line check.
You will have to apply for a Chinese ATPL and this has to be done before you start line flying.This involves a theoretical exam like the FAA one.
They do pay for loss of licence insurance,medical insurance,overtime after 80 hours (rate is USD100/hour), fly a maximum of 100 hours/month,relocation fee of USD2000 on a one time basis, subsidised schooling (no amount was given),37 days paid annual leave just to name a few.....
The proposed start date was July 1st but this has been pushed back to July 25th since Boeing has a delay in delivery due to a strike.
The first training class starts on March 27th then the second on April 3rd and the last on April 10th......in Seattle.Now it is up to the individuals that passed to take it or leave it.......everybody has an agenda.
Hope that this answers some of your questions.....
No need to get aggro about this
.....needed to get some shut eye and here are the T&C's they offer......and for my own info,even if you go for the SIN Cargo interview, don't you have to pay your own way!?Anyways, it's the principle of the thing....I would rather shell out 600 bucks to get across here than have to sign a $20000 bank loan guarantee....you will understand the rest in the description.....Secundo,I never said that they were "so good" as you put it but rather stated that they were "not too bad compared to other deals on the market".....just to clarify a couple of points
.As for salary,it's USD9500/month for captains and USD6500/month for F/O's and here are the drawbacks.....this includes housing/per diem/and will be paid in equivalent yuan currency to be deposited in a Chinese bank account (as far as I understood). This has to do with the Chinese tax laws.....
For non type rated pilots, a monthly sum of USD1200 will be deducted from your salary for three years but you will be fully reimbursed this cumulative sum after completeing the 3 years.( It's a big gamble on their part
since you can technically walk away from Jade with a full 744F type rating).....During initial training, you will only be paid USD6300/month until completion of your line check.
You will have to apply for a Chinese ATPL and this has to be done before you start line flying.This involves a theoretical exam like the FAA one.
They do pay for loss of licence insurance,medical insurance,overtime after 80 hours (rate is USD100/hour), fly a maximum of 100 hours/month,relocation fee of USD2000 on a one time basis, subsidised schooling (no amount was given),37 days paid annual leave just to name a few.....
The proposed start date was July 1st but this has been pushed back to July 25th since Boeing has a delay in delivery due to a strike.
The first training class starts on March 27th then the second on April 3rd and the last on April 10th......in Seattle.Now it is up to the individuals that passed to take it or leave it.......everybody has an agenda.
Hope that this answers some of your questions.....
And to set the record straight, SIA/SIA Cargo you DO NOT pay for transport to the interview.
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Has anybody that went through the interview process in early March heard anything from Jade yet
!? I only received an e mail stating that I passed all the medical tests 
and that they will be in touch.......
Has anyone signed a contract yet?Courses were supposed to start on the 27th March,April 3rd and April 10th (which I was told I would be on.....!?!?)
Anybody out there.......anybody!?
!? I only received an e mail stating that I passed all the medical tests and that they will be in touch.......Has anyone signed a contract yet?Courses were supposed to start on the 27th March,April 3rd and April 10th (which I was told I would be on.....!?!?)
Anybody out there.......anybody!?
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Hi guys
I know that my post is 1 dot left of the ILS, of the orginal post. I need help to track down the address or email address of HR Dept of Shenzhen Airlines,
I have seen all the horror stories.... I guess I am a person who like it rough..
So who do I write the my life story to in shenzhen air
Thanks
JJ696
I know that my post is 1 dot left of the ILS, of the orginal post. I need help to track down the address or email address of HR Dept of Shenzhen Airlines,
I have seen all the horror stories.... I guess I am a person who like it rough..
So who do I write the my life story to in shenzhen air
Thanks
JJ696