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I know nothing about Jade. I'll leave that to others. However i get the impression that some posting are new to the region.
It is the norm for business in this part of the world not to operate as in a developed country. The terms and conditions will be be fluid, and are quite likely to change even after you have sign contracts. Dont expect there to be uniform contracts. There may be many different contracts. There may be no mention of bonds, but at the 11th hour, you will be required to sign one. You will need to be flexible in your approach to the job.
The pearl river delta can be a great place to live, and work. Be aware that it is also very heavily polluted. It is said the pollution is like smoking 8 cigarettes a day. As for bird flu...well if it hits, be expecting to be treated in the same way many of us were treated when SARS hit.
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It is the norm for business in this part of the world not to operate as in a developed country. The terms and conditions will be be fluid, and are quite likely to change even after you have sign contracts. Dont expect there to be uniform contracts. There may be many different contracts. There may be no mention of bonds, but at the 11th hour, you will be required to sign one. You will need to be flexible in your approach to the job.
The pearl river delta can be a great place to live, and work. Be aware that it is also very heavily polluted. It is said the pollution is like smoking 8 cigarettes a day. As for bird flu...well if it hits, be expecting to be treated in the same way many of us were treated when SARS hit.
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Originally Posted by PIA747
AAIGUY.
I believe you are on the Classics. Is Jade accepting Classic Captains? what is their age rule?
I believe you are on the Classics. Is Jade accepting Classic Captains? what is their age rule?
Don't know, I am 30.
Will post if I find out.
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Anybody out there with more info.....I have an interview from 6-10th March in SZX but called the contact person asking for T&C's and only managed to get the official start date of July 1st and that they send you to Seattle for the type rating.....anybody else going!? Any more news!?
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Very interesting posts.......FYI, I have been invited to interview in Shenzhen in Mar and was somewhat sceptical. Now that I have seen some of the posts, it has confirmed my suspicions.
Well aware that there is always risks involved with a new start-up. However, with the German connection and China being an economic powerhouse, I was hopeful that this might be a good gig. Now, I'm not so sure.
Let's get some facts (based on previous posters & my experience/communicatios with the company even before I travel at my own expense).
1. The medical is the equivalent of a NASA astronaut physical (similar to EVA and the Japanese carriers) designed for 20-year-old air force pilots with an 80% failure rate. No chance for any discussion or waivers, even for minor ailments.
2. You pay your airfare to the interview which may cost hundreds of dollars/pounds/euros which will be refunded on subsequent employment. Based on 1. above, the odds of a 40+ year old making the medical is minimal therefore, the company is saving money right from the git go because the vast majority of candidates who do travel there will not make it. Smart move, Jade.
3. No details on pay, benefits or accommodation given. Even in the interview. That's amazing! They expect you to travel all that way, jump through all the hoops and cannot even answer the basics??? What kind of company is this or will be?
4. Very little chance for FOs to upgrade or at very least, prohibitedly difficult.
5. Little or no job security.
Does this sound like a company that will value its employees regardless of national origin?
I don't know about anyone else out there, but when I seriously consider a company (start-up or established) I draw up a list of pluses and negatives. I previously had a bunch of pluses for Jade but now the negatives outweigh the benefits. Sounds like one big risk. doesn't it?
I'm rated on the classic with less than 500 hours yet I got a quick response from their initial ad back in Nov 2005 (maybe because so many better qualified guys are failing the selection?). I've flown in China (not lived there but elsewhere in Asia) before and also cargo so know a little about that part of the world. Plus I know plenty of guys that have either flown for EVA and various Japaneses carriers. Not making direct comparisons but it seems there are just too many -ves here, at least for me.
Someone asked about age limits and bonding.
The age limits are on the original ad and pertain to whether you are type rated on the -400 or not. I've been told that the training is in SEA with Alteon (formerly Boeing FlightSafety).
Bonding is not mentioned in the ad, probably not answered at the interview and if it is a condition of employment, will most likely be sprung on you just prior to training! There are many different types of bonding and this could be a major area if you don't know what your'e up against. Looks too good to be true? Then it probably is, is the usual story. I'm beginning to think that this is so true.
No one so far has mentioned Chinese visas. What's the scoop there? I asked Jade about that and was told that if you have a British passport, you can get a landing visa in HKG through one of the Chinese travel agencies - but no specifics given. One would be going there as a private citizen by invitation on business (F class visa), not as a tourist nor as a crew member on a gen dec. What about non-British passport holders? The process for the US citizens involve personally going to a Chinese consulate/embassy in America to complete the paperwork and then up to two weeks to process! Talk about making it difficult! Any comments on this from anyone who has done it?
I do not live in Europe, so I don't think they would be sending me to FRA for anything. I've been told to come to Shenzhen for everything - 737NG or 777 sim is what I've been given.
To go or not to go to interview, that is indeed the question! More food for thought........
I'm surprised that the Germans are not more involved in the selection process or are they? Maybe they have an agenda? Lots of unanswered questions.
Well aware that there is always risks involved with a new start-up. However, with the German connection and China being an economic powerhouse, I was hopeful that this might be a good gig. Now, I'm not so sure.
Let's get some facts (based on previous posters & my experience/communicatios with the company even before I travel at my own expense).
1. The medical is the equivalent of a NASA astronaut physical (similar to EVA and the Japanese carriers) designed for 20-year-old air force pilots with an 80% failure rate. No chance for any discussion or waivers, even for minor ailments.
2. You pay your airfare to the interview which may cost hundreds of dollars/pounds/euros which will be refunded on subsequent employment. Based on 1. above, the odds of a 40+ year old making the medical is minimal therefore, the company is saving money right from the git go because the vast majority of candidates who do travel there will not make it. Smart move, Jade.
3. No details on pay, benefits or accommodation given. Even in the interview. That's amazing! They expect you to travel all that way, jump through all the hoops and cannot even answer the basics??? What kind of company is this or will be?
4. Very little chance for FOs to upgrade or at very least, prohibitedly difficult.
5. Little or no job security.
Does this sound like a company that will value its employees regardless of national origin?
I don't know about anyone else out there, but when I seriously consider a company (start-up or established) I draw up a list of pluses and negatives. I previously had a bunch of pluses for Jade but now the negatives outweigh the benefits. Sounds like one big risk. doesn't it?
I'm rated on the classic with less than 500 hours yet I got a quick response from their initial ad back in Nov 2005 (maybe because so many better qualified guys are failing the selection?). I've flown in China (not lived there but elsewhere in Asia) before and also cargo so know a little about that part of the world. Plus I know plenty of guys that have either flown for EVA and various Japaneses carriers. Not making direct comparisons but it seems there are just too many -ves here, at least for me.
Someone asked about age limits and bonding.
The age limits are on the original ad and pertain to whether you are type rated on the -400 or not. I've been told that the training is in SEA with Alteon (formerly Boeing FlightSafety).
Bonding is not mentioned in the ad, probably not answered at the interview and if it is a condition of employment, will most likely be sprung on you just prior to training! There are many different types of bonding and this could be a major area if you don't know what your'e up against. Looks too good to be true? Then it probably is, is the usual story. I'm beginning to think that this is so true.
No one so far has mentioned Chinese visas. What's the scoop there? I asked Jade about that and was told that if you have a British passport, you can get a landing visa in HKG through one of the Chinese travel agencies - but no specifics given. One would be going there as a private citizen by invitation on business (F class visa), not as a tourist nor as a crew member on a gen dec. What about non-British passport holders? The process for the US citizens involve personally going to a Chinese consulate/embassy in America to complete the paperwork and then up to two weeks to process! Talk about making it difficult! Any comments on this from anyone who has done it?
I do not live in Europe, so I don't think they would be sending me to FRA for anything. I've been told to come to Shenzhen for everything - 737NG or 777 sim is what I've been given.
To go or not to go to interview, that is indeed the question! More food for thought........
I'm surprised that the Germans are not more involved in the selection process or are they? Maybe they have an agenda? Lots of unanswered questions.
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Originally Posted by MaxThrust
Hi chaps have read your thread with interest.
I am 747-400 rated with 5000 hours on type and have not heard a word from this mob. I wonder if they are looking for people who will do anything to get on the jumbo. Most likely you will not have any flight time limitations and if you complain about anything, (once your are employed) you will probably find yourself unemployed very quickly.
Shenzen is a dump like most of southern china so if you go there expect very poluted air and most people will not speak english.
Max
I am 747-400 rated with 5000 hours on type and have not heard a word from this mob. I wonder if they are looking for people who will do anything to get on the jumbo. Most likely you will not have any flight time limitations and if you complain about anything, (once your are employed) you will probably find yourself unemployed very quickly.
Shenzen is a dump like most of southern china so if you go there expect very poluted air and most people will not speak english.
Max
So, my question is, who do you believe and what do you believe? Just trying to get accurate info here. Further comments, plse.
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Hardly inspiring words, Theseus, cultural differences or not. What then is the GREAT incentive for people to go half-way around the world for a maybe? To get screwed??
Originally Posted by IBTheseus
I know nothing about Jade. I'll leave that to others. However i get the impression that some posting are new to the region.
It is the norm for business in this part of the world not to operate as in a developed country. The terms and conditions will be be fluid, and are quite likely to change even after you have sign contracts. Dont expect there to be uniform contracts. There may be many different contracts. There may be no mention of bonds, but at the 11th hour, you will be required to sign one. You will need to be flexible in your approach to the job.
The pearl river delta can be a great place to live, and work. Be aware that it is also very heavily polluted. It is said the pollution is like smoking 8 cigarettes a day. As for bird flu...well if it hits, be expecting to be treated in the same way many of us were treated when SARS hit.
IBT
It is the norm for business in this part of the world not to operate as in a developed country. The terms and conditions will be be fluid, and are quite likely to change even after you have sign contracts. Dont expect there to be uniform contracts. There may be many different contracts. There may be no mention of bonds, but at the 11th hour, you will be required to sign one. You will need to be flexible in your approach to the job.
The pearl river delta can be a great place to live, and work. Be aware that it is also very heavily polluted. It is said the pollution is like smoking 8 cigarettes a day. As for bird flu...well if it hits, be expecting to be treated in the same way many of us were treated when SARS hit.
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Hi Guys
Please could someone give me the HQ address for Jade cargo and shenzhen airlines.. I have been searching through the web.. only to find that the shenzhen airlines website is in chinese no english.
thanks
JJ696
Please could someone give me the HQ address for Jade cargo and shenzhen airlines.. I have been searching through the web.. only to find that the shenzhen airlines website is in chinese no english.
thanks
JJ696
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It's not that hard to find. Virtually all foreign websites will have an English translation link somewhere on the home page. You might need to know some basic Chinese though!!!!
Here's the info:
Address: Jade Cargo International Company Ltd., Shenzhen Airlines, Flight Operations Bldg, 6/F, Baoan International Airport, 518128 Shenzhen, Guangdong, P.R.C.
Tel: +86 (755)299 10 279 Fax: +86 (755)299 10 309
Website:www.jadecargo.comEmail:flightrecruitment @jadecargo.com
Now you can ask them all the questions everyone here is dying to know! Keep in mind that probably because of cultural reasons, they may not want to answer many questions as that is seen as disrespectful at worse or lacking in motivation at best. Good luck!!!!!
Here's the info:
Address: Jade Cargo International Company Ltd., Shenzhen Airlines, Flight Operations Bldg, 6/F, Baoan International Airport, 518128 Shenzhen, Guangdong, P.R.C.
Tel: +86 (755)299 10 279 Fax: +86 (755)299 10 309
Website:www.jadecargo.comEmail:flightrecruitment @jadecargo.com
Now you can ask them all the questions everyone here is dying to know! Keep in mind that probably because of cultural reasons, they may not want to answer many questions as that is seen as disrespectful at worse or lacking in motivation at best. Good luck!!!!!
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Thank you Alexb757 for your address. Greatly appreciated. I check out most chinese sites, myself and my parents (chinese) could not find the english sites.
In some funny way, it is a basic elimination process already...if you can;t read chinese you are gonna find it TOUGH in this airline.
All wannabe's...life tough already..what's a little more.
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In some funny way, it is a basic elimination process already...if you can;t read chinese you are gonna find it TOUGH in this airline.
All wannabe's...life tough already..what's a little more.
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Originally Posted by jetjockey696
Thank you Alexb757 for your address. Greatly appreciated. I check out most chinese sites, myself and my parents (chinese) could not find the english sites.
In some funny way, it is a basic elimination process already...if you can;t read chinese you are gonna find it TOUGH in this airline. All wannabe's...life tough already..what's a little more.
jj969
In some funny way, it is a basic elimination process already...if you can;t read chinese you are gonna find it TOUGH in this airline. All wannabe's...life tough already..what's a little more.
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Originally Posted by alexb757
Having said that, English is obviously a mandatory requirement here being the international language of aviation. Jade even require you to take a test in English fluency as part of their hiring process. Good luck!
Hope they ask the same from the local pilots also.......
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Originally Posted by Deske1
Hope they ask the same from the local pilots also.......
Communcations with ATC, other aircraft etc. is vital if you are going to fly internationally otherwise safety is compromised. Like I said before, part of Jade's selection process is an English language proficiency test. If you are going to interview, they would have told you this. How easy or hard it will be remains to be see. Let's just say, not many airlines have an English test as part of their selection, therefore Jade is taking this aspect seriously.
So, get practicing!
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Originally Posted by IGS13
Any update from the ongoing interview process? Pay, start date, terms and conditions? Opinions of Shenzhen?
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just finished my interview,sim,medical and waiting for the final results from the stress test.All by all a very positive experience.The people I met from Jade are all motivated,helpfull and the chief pilot seems to be a nice person.It is a young start up company looking for motivated pilots,people that are prepared to go one step further and prepared to push the company in the good direction.It is normal that in the beginning a lot of things have to be sorted out and you can not expect that you will make straight away fantastic salaries.China and especially the Senzhen area is fantastic to make a living and on top of that you can fly a beautiful brand new 744.Off course you always got the guys that expect everything from the first moment they set foot in a company and people that are specialized in moaning and complaining,even if they make 20000 usd.I give Jade my confidence,and will be most happy to join them