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Originally Posted by jetjockey696
Hi guys
I know that my post is 1 dot left of the ILS, of the orginal post. I need help to track down the address or email address of HR Dept of Shenzhen Airlines,
I have seen all the horror stories.... I guess I am a person who like it rough..
So who do I write the my life story to in shenzhen air
Thanks
JJ696
I know that my post is 1 dot left of the ILS, of the orginal post. I need help to track down the address or email address of HR Dept of Shenzhen Airlines,
I have seen all the horror stories.... I guess I am a person who like it rough..
So who do I write the my life story to in shenzhen air
Thanks
JJ696
This thread is for Jade. Shenzhen Airlines is one of 3 entities that bought into Jade Cargo International........?????????
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Hi Guys
I am sorry, I am want to apply for Shenzhen Airlines. I trying to get into this airline, because I am from this area of the country, but now i abroad.
I was wondering any have or know anyone in the recruitment area for shenzhen. I could write to (email or snail mail)
Thanks
JJ696
I am sorry, I am want to apply for Shenzhen Airlines. I trying to get into this airline, because I am from this area of the country, but now i abroad.
I was wondering any have or know anyone in the recruitment area for shenzhen. I could write to (email or snail mail)
Thanks
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The reason for me, only me! that is i am chinese, lived in the west for 30 years. I have family in shenzhen, I was born 1 hr away for the airport. I like shenzhen it alright, not to far from HK, you have everything there, if not, go to HK and get it.
I have tried so many places on this planet to get a job, i just need a break, why not china?? So like all of us who try to break into this very difficult industry...I just need afoot on rungs of this very hard slippery ladder, any thing decent will do for now.
China not is not a bad place for pilots, if you are not into highend western life style...this is the only place mistresses are tolerated with the wife
. The Pay and conditions are better comparing to places like Philippines (F/O <1000USD, Capt. Approx 3000USD around 80 hrs), indonesia, malaysia (my friends fly for Airasia F/O he get 2200USD- 80hrs with no housing or no tax free salary, no food, no pick up, no interline travel, only free vouchers on air asia routes not much use if you live everywhere else other than southeast Asia). I do know that china need to pick up it salary...but to a local chinese pilot it a lot money.
I don't care right now about the pay or conditions, because I am single, I lived in s**t and dealt with s**t..$6500 is alot if you have nothing in china. If you stay away from the 1inch thick fillet steaks and luxury living and live within your means..it OK money. Anywhy if I get attached one day I will move to a better airline..with the hours I slaved.
So any headhunters, recruiters out there from airlines. I am willing to fly for food, drop me a PM.
Got to go, the warlord is getting a itchy finger, it time to start the props, time to run a few hundred guns cross the country...some time buliding.
jj696
I have tried so many places on this planet to get a job, i just need a break, why not china?? So like all of us who try to break into this very difficult industry...I just need afoot on rungs of this very hard slippery ladder, any thing decent will do for now.
China not is not a bad place for pilots, if you are not into highend western life style...this is the only place mistresses are tolerated with the wife
. The Pay and conditions are better comparing to places like Philippines (F/O <1000USD, Capt. Approx 3000USD around 80 hrs), indonesia, malaysia (my friends fly for Airasia F/O he get 2200USD- 80hrs with no housing or no tax free salary, no food, no pick up, no interline travel, only free vouchers on air asia routes not much use if you live everywhere else other than southeast Asia). I do know that china need to pick up it salary...but to a local chinese pilot it a lot money. I don't care right now about the pay or conditions, because I am single, I lived in s**t and dealt with s**t..$6500 is alot if you have nothing in china. If you stay away from the 1inch thick fillet steaks and luxury living and live within your means..it OK money. Anywhy if I get attached one day I will move to a better airline..with the hours I slaved.
So any headhunters, recruiters out there from airlines. I am willing to fly for food, drop me a PM.
Got to go, the warlord is getting a itchy finger, it time to start the props, time to run a few hundred guns cross the country...some time buliding.
jj696
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''I am willing to fly for food''
Yeap, the future of aviation looks really bright. All of my sacrifice and hard work flying cargo, air ambulance...becomes meaningless since there will always be someone willing to work for food to get ahead in this business.
jetjockey696--I assume you have no experience but the basic license. How about you aim for a piston or turbine job somewhere to get you started. After flying unpressurised aircraft in various wx conditions (3am, moderate icing, fatigue, wx at the mins.) you'll come to appreciate a paycheck every month knowing that you earned it.
Yeap, the future of aviation looks really bright. All of my sacrifice and hard work flying cargo, air ambulance...becomes meaningless since there will always be someone willing to work for food to get ahead in this business.
jetjockey696--I assume you have no experience but the basic license. How about you aim for a piston or turbine job somewhere to get you started. After flying unpressurised aircraft in various wx conditions (3am, moderate icing, fatigue, wx at the mins.) you'll come to appreciate a paycheck every month knowing that you earned it.
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Dear B737 rider
I have read your post today. Since you work there, is there any chance you can give me ideas of how to apply for this company...directly. because people advise to go through agencies as such. I have enough of agencies they say no to this and that... a hassle..I just want to show Shenzhen airlines this is what I got kind thing.
I know I am sucker. I just need the experience, not the money or conditions just yet.
So any email, mail, fax etc. and who to contact, so I can send my CV.
thanks
JJ696
I have read your post today. Since you work there, is there any chance you can give me ideas of how to apply for this company...directly. because people advise to go through agencies as such. I have enough of agencies they say no to this and that... a hassle..I just want to show Shenzhen airlines this is what I got kind thing.
I know I am sucker. I just need the experience, not the money or conditions just yet.
So any email, mail, fax etc. and who to contact, so I can send my CV.
thanks
JJ696
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Flight Jobs in China
According to my experience, I have some experience to be shared with you guys
1. Most of Chinese airlines are short of pilots especially experienced captains. In China, Chinese pilots are very difficult to change their employers since all employers regard their pilots as capital assets. Many lawsuits arise from the pilots resignations. It sounds funny that Chinese pilots would not resign without employers approval. Right now there are many private newly airlines being set up. There don’t have pilots. They headhunt pilots from established airlines. But the established airlines are also facing the shortage of pilots. Now pilot becomes a popular career in China.
2. Although most of Chinese airlines are short of pilots, they are not very prepared to hire expat pilots. Hainan is the first Chinese mainland airlines who had hired two Australian B737 captain on 2002. They just worked for Hainan for two years and left. I sounded the two guys were happy with Hainan Airlines. From the beginning of 2004, Shenzhen Airlines hired almost 60 expat pilots. Most of thos expats are captains. Now there are about 20 guys still flying. As many expat pilots said, there are many problems happened in Shenzhen Airlines. All of them are focused on the their managing level. Sometimes the salary is not important. Most of the complains focus on the flight safety management, roster, international training, English communication, etc. We had one US captain resigned from Shenzhen because he was not happy with their flight safety management and moved to Hainan. He is happy with Hainan. Different Chinese airlines has different managing level. By my idea, Hainan is the best Chinese airlines in China Mainland.
3. As for the screening procedures, it was easy before 2005. But at the beginning of 2005, with more and more expat pilots coming, CAAC worked out a regulation for the expat pilots recruitment, screening, management. The Chinese airlines who want to hire expat pilots have got headache on the new regulation. As the regulation, the screening will take very long time and cost a lot of money. So for any expat pilot who wants to fly in China mainland it would be thought about carefully.
4. If you are lucky to pass all screening procedures and got your CAAC ATPL license, you may have more options to move to any other Chinese airlines who are madly seeking pilots.
5. Different airlines have their different policies. Jade Cargo doesn’t pay your interview tickets.But Air China Cargo may allow you to take their flights to Beijing to take interview.
6. If not wear color glasses, you will find that Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen are good places to live for foreigners. I realized that Beijing has some air pollutions. Shenzhen and Shanghai are better.
Just want to share with you about the information of flight jobs in China.
Thanks.
1. Most of Chinese airlines are short of pilots especially experienced captains. In China, Chinese pilots are very difficult to change their employers since all employers regard their pilots as capital assets. Many lawsuits arise from the pilots resignations. It sounds funny that Chinese pilots would not resign without employers approval. Right now there are many private newly airlines being set up. There don’t have pilots. They headhunt pilots from established airlines. But the established airlines are also facing the shortage of pilots. Now pilot becomes a popular career in China.
2. Although most of Chinese airlines are short of pilots, they are not very prepared to hire expat pilots. Hainan is the first Chinese mainland airlines who had hired two Australian B737 captain on 2002. They just worked for Hainan for two years and left. I sounded the two guys were happy with Hainan Airlines. From the beginning of 2004, Shenzhen Airlines hired almost 60 expat pilots. Most of thos expats are captains. Now there are about 20 guys still flying. As many expat pilots said, there are many problems happened in Shenzhen Airlines. All of them are focused on the their managing level. Sometimes the salary is not important. Most of the complains focus on the flight safety management, roster, international training, English communication, etc. We had one US captain resigned from Shenzhen because he was not happy with their flight safety management and moved to Hainan. He is happy with Hainan. Different Chinese airlines has different managing level. By my idea, Hainan is the best Chinese airlines in China Mainland.
3. As for the screening procedures, it was easy before 2005. But at the beginning of 2005, with more and more expat pilots coming, CAAC worked out a regulation for the expat pilots recruitment, screening, management. The Chinese airlines who want to hire expat pilots have got headache on the new regulation. As the regulation, the screening will take very long time and cost a lot of money. So for any expat pilot who wants to fly in China mainland it would be thought about carefully.
4. If you are lucky to pass all screening procedures and got your CAAC ATPL license, you may have more options to move to any other Chinese airlines who are madly seeking pilots.
5. Different airlines have their different policies. Jade Cargo doesn’t pay your interview tickets.But Air China Cargo may allow you to take their flights to Beijing to take interview.
6. If not wear color glasses, you will find that Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen are good places to live for foreigners. I realized that Beijing has some air pollutions. Shenzhen and Shanghai are better.
Just want to share with you about the information of flight jobs in China.
Thanks.
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I hear that Vega-Aviation , based in Macau, also have many foreign pilots working in China. The man to talk to is Capt. Rogrigo Passos. Sorry but I do not have details but you can find what you need on their web site.
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Latest On Jade Please...
Any folks out there with latest info on Jade Cargo, please.
ie; Start of operation date, T&C, airplanes arriving in Shenzhen etc.
Understand some pilots already in US doing training.
Many thanks
ie; Start of operation date, T&C, airplanes arriving in Shenzhen etc.
Understand some pilots already in US doing training.
Many thanks
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Originally Posted by MACH.8
Any folks out there with latest info on Jade Cargo, please.
ie; Start of operation date, T&C, airplanes arriving in Shenzhen etc.
Understand some pilots already in US doing training.
Many thanks
ie; Start of operation date, T&C, airplanes arriving in Shenzhen etc.
Understand some pilots already in US doing training.
Many thanks
Apparently, they put back the start-up date from Jul 1 to Jul 25 or thereabouts.
Awfully quiet out there on this outfit........
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Originally Posted by klink
Have not heard from any of the guys who did attend the early March interviews/selection process. All gone very quiet, Draw own conclusions....
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Originally Posted by MACH.8
Many thanks alexb757 and Mack Tuck for the info..
I guess they are not getting either the quantity or quality of people they were hoping for. But, I could be wrong.......
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Originally Posted by jetjockey696
The reason for me, only me! that is i am chinese, lived in the west for 30 years. I have family in shenzhen, I was born 1 hr away for the airport. I like shenzhen it alright, not to far from HK, you have everything there, if not, go to HK and get it.
I have tried so many places on this planet to get a job, i just need a break, why not china?? So like all of us who try to break into this very difficult industry...I just need afoot on rungs of this very hard slippery ladder, any thing decent will do for now.
China not is not a bad place for pilots, if you are not into highend western life style...this is the only place mistresses are tolerated with the wife. The Pay and conditions are better comparing to places like Philippines (F/O <1000USD, Capt. Approx 3000USD around 80 hrs), indonesia, malaysia (my friends fly for Airasia F/O he get 2200USD- 80hrs with no housing or no tax free salary, no food, no pick up, no interline travel, only free vouchers on air asia routes not much use if you live everywhere else other than southeast Asia). I do know that china need to pick up it salary...but to a local chinese pilot it a lot money.
I don't care right now about the pay or conditions, because I am single, I lived in s**t and dealt with s**t..$6500 is alot if you have nothing in china. If you stay away from the 1inch thick fillet steaks and luxury living and live within your means..it OK money. Anywhy if I get attached one day I will move to a better airline..with the hours I slaved.
So any headhunters, recruiters out there from airlines. I am willing to fly for food, drop me a PM.
Got to go, the warlord is getting a itchy finger, it time to start the props, time to run a few hundred guns cross the country...some time buliding.
jj696
I have tried so many places on this planet to get a job, i just need a break, why not china?? So like all of us who try to break into this very difficult industry...I just need afoot on rungs of this very hard slippery ladder, any thing decent will do for now.
China not is not a bad place for pilots, if you are not into highend western life style...this is the only place mistresses are tolerated with the wife
. The Pay and conditions are better comparing to places like Philippines (F/O <1000USD, Capt. Approx 3000USD around 80 hrs), indonesia, malaysia (my friends fly for Airasia F/O he get 2200USD- 80hrs with no housing or no tax free salary, no food, no pick up, no interline travel, only free vouchers on air asia routes not much use if you live everywhere else other than southeast Asia). I do know that china need to pick up it salary...but to a local chinese pilot it a lot money. I don't care right now about the pay or conditions, because I am single, I lived in s**t and dealt with s**t..$6500 is alot if you have nothing in china. If you stay away from the 1inch thick fillet steaks and luxury living and live within your means..it OK money. Anywhy if I get attached one day I will move to a better airline..with the hours I slaved.
So any headhunters, recruiters out there from airlines. I am willing to fly for food, drop me a PM.
Got to go, the warlord is getting a itchy finger, it time to start the props, time to run a few hundred guns cross the country...some time buliding.
jj696
jj696,
can you drop me PM
tks.
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$8000 US Dollars a month for Captains...................provided your type rated, less $1200 a month if not type rated so a non type rated Captain will bank $6,800 US Dollars, No loss of Licence, No medical insurance, no provident/ pension fund....................this is based on flying 50 hours a month (Flying hours not credit hours)
The way they explain the salary is this:
Base Salary is $5,500 a month but they GUARENTEE to pay you for 50 hour at $50/hour hence you will get $8000 as a CAPTAIN, but they expect you to fly 80 hours hence the additional 30 hours @ $50/hour to make it $9,500......................of course there is not a hope in Hell you'll fly 80 hours a month, you'll maybe do 50 as they will be busy training for at least two years
Days off.........Guarenteed 3 consecutive days a month, but 9 days off total, maybe 2 in Amsterdam, I in somewhere else and a couple of blocks of 2 or 3 in Shenzen......................
Per Diem...........$3 us dollars an hour............BUT............from the time you LAND at the destination till the time you LEAVE the destination, after all they are paying you $50/hour flight pay, why do you need any more???
This whole offer is a joke. they are getting some takers but all Non Type rated who are getting a very nice -400 course with British airways, and no doubt when they have a few hours under the belt they will just go work for someone who is prepared to pay a realistic salary.................
lots of excuse's about "you have to appreciate we are a start up, and things will gt better (yeah, right, please Mr.Tooth fairy) the guy who tells you about the salary scheme is so embarrasssed he can hardly look at you then mumbles about how, these scales are hard to decipher !!!
the bond is a joke though so if you want a type rating and 6 months being paid peanuts to then go elsewhere, come and take advantage of this very generous scheme..............you sign on and they deduct $1200 a month for 3 years end of story, so if you wait to pay day and leave they can chase you round a bit but I doubt they'll see any money back, even if you have to pay them the 1200 you can go work elsewhere and be considerably better off...........
Lots of very pleasant people at Jade, but the selection process is a joke and they will end up employing a lot of "bottom of the barrel" because no one who can do the job will work for this money................they actually passed some people on the sim ride who I personally wouldn't let loose on a push bike to the shops, let alone look after a shiny new -400..................still the first insurance claim is inevitable and that will obliterate the cost savings from the "Cheap" crews for the next 50 years...................
Final word, UNLESS YOUR DESPERATE, AND IN NEED OF A -400 RATING
FORGET IT !!!
The way they explain the salary is this:
Base Salary is $5,500 a month but they GUARENTEE to pay you for 50 hour at $50/hour hence you will get $8000 as a CAPTAIN, but they expect you to fly 80 hours hence the additional 30 hours @ $50/hour to make it $9,500......................of course there is not a hope in Hell you'll fly 80 hours a month, you'll maybe do 50 as they will be busy training for at least two years
Days off.........Guarenteed 3 consecutive days a month, but 9 days off total, maybe 2 in Amsterdam, I in somewhere else and a couple of blocks of 2 or 3 in Shenzen......................
Per Diem...........$3 us dollars an hour............BUT............from the time you LAND at the destination till the time you LEAVE the destination, after all they are paying you $50/hour flight pay, why do you need any more???
This whole offer is a joke. they are getting some takers but all Non Type rated who are getting a very nice -400 course with British airways, and no doubt when they have a few hours under the belt they will just go work for someone who is prepared to pay a realistic salary.................
lots of excuse's about "you have to appreciate we are a start up, and things will gt better (yeah, right, please Mr.Tooth fairy) the guy who tells you about the salary scheme is so embarrasssed he can hardly look at you then mumbles about how, these scales are hard to decipher !!!
the bond is a joke though so if you want a type rating and 6 months being paid peanuts to then go elsewhere, come and take advantage of this very generous scheme..............you sign on and they deduct $1200 a month for 3 years end of story, so if you wait to pay day and leave they can chase you round a bit but I doubt they'll see any money back, even if you have to pay them the 1200 you can go work elsewhere and be considerably better off...........
Lots of very pleasant people at Jade, but the selection process is a joke and they will end up employing a lot of "bottom of the barrel" because no one who can do the job will work for this money................they actually passed some people on the sim ride who I personally wouldn't let loose on a push bike to the shops, let alone look after a shiny new -400..................still the first insurance claim is inevitable and that will obliterate the cost savings from the "Cheap" crews for the next 50 years...................
Final word, UNLESS YOUR DESPERATE, AND IN NEED OF A -400 RATING
FORGET IT !!!