I am simply sharing my experience with someone asking a question, does my answer really need you nit-picking with immature sarcasm?

So by showing a keen sense of willing and interest by inquiring about the process, I have inadvertently shown them a personal flaw in that I have no patience?

So it is your belief that I should just be sitting back not bothering to ask questions and just accept no news?

Tupps

LouisC
 

Hi Louis, do you mind to tell me when did you apply for CPP? In addition, I am now also living in Hong Kong and I put Hong Kong as my preference about the place for the interview.

Cause I have submitted my form on 12th of July. It has been totally 4 months, I understand that some applicants have been waiting for up to 6-12 months, some of them even mentioned that they received a call for their 1st interview after more than a year of application. I am not sure, some takes 2-3 months which is much short than what we have heard in this forum.

However, I just wanna know the process from the others. Cause I have a friend who first submitted his form in June, just 6 weeks before I submitted my application. But he already did his 1st interview in Oct and ICAO English test at the end of Oct. Also, he already got invitation last week for his 3rd interview in mid of Dec.

hi I applied at the end Aug this year, so it was about 2/3 months for me. But yes , you are right, the waiting period varies. People wait for as long as 1 year.

I can better that. May 2009. No dramas though, didnt hold my breath, moved on with my life, learned and experienced more than CX could ever offer. Patience is a virtue but it doesnt mean you should just sit in front of your pc clicking the refresh button, just keep moving.

Location Change
 

Hi Everyone,

Just a quick question for anyone out there,
I recently changed my Interview Location from London to Hong Kong,anybody done the same ?
I applied in September online and have not recvd any response yet although i did update my application online and recvd an email saying your application is still in process ???

LouisC
 

I see. Thank you for your sharing. Man, I don't know what is going on with my application. Cause many people submitted their application later than I did. And they have already received their invitation. I am just being worry about it. I wish if it was just a matter of time instead of I couldn't meet the standard. :rolleyes:

i applied in April 2010

i've heard nothing since

Stallone
 

If you've applied last year (April 2010), Why don't you apply it again this year (after April 2011)? I thought you are allowed to submit your application again after you have been waited completely for 12 months. Am I correct?

Updates
 

I think I remember once upon a time reading they wanted updates to profiles when something big changed or every 6 months

Unsucessful application of CX.
 

Even I have not received any rejected letter from Cathay Pacific about the Cadet Pilot Program (CPP). However, let's assume that CX does not offer any invitation to me about the first interview this year. Am I still able to apply it next year again? In addition, I graduated from the University of San Francisco and I do not have any academic background related to the aviation industry. Is that one of the reasons why CX does not send me an invitation?

Anyone has any idea or suggestion about what should I do in order to show the HR department about my improvement during this year and impress them? Because I have been worked for couple years after graduation and I just self-study about the knowledge of aviation and aircraft. I have finished to read the books (1. BAK), (2. Flying The Big Jets). And I studied some cases about the aviation accident and investigation. Sometimes, I check the news of the aviation industry and try to get familiar with the history/background of CX or KA. That's just all I did so far.

Thank you for everyone's opinion and criticize.

Sorry I didn't have time to personally reply to the replies I got on here from my original post (#3423) where I mentioned I was a former iCadet and son of a former CX Captain.

Here is a few brief answers.

captain.weird "Brisdude, what do you think about your future then? Swithing to another airline or so? PM is welcome too."

- Have to wait it out. Who knows what will happen...

yep_ok_whatever "What did your old man say about the iCadet, did they encourage you to do it rather than going a GA way? Did you consider KA? I guess you have a perm id card? If you didnt consider it why not?"

- His advice was to not do it (I had previous experience though). I did consider KA but it will all be the same system sooner rather then later. Your screwed either way really. Whats the appeal of a system with even SLOWER promotion then CX?

Hey fellow pilots,

First of all, I applied to Cathay Pacific on the 1st of june, and I still didnt get a reply; - I just got an email that says "At the moment, we are unable to advise you when the next schedule of interviews will take place in your preferred location in near future."

Secondly, I would like to know if there is any Stage 1 interviews in dubai soon and if so, who is going.

Hope to find a reply for that message.

Ryan
 

I received the same message from them. I applied since july 2011. I guess this is their most polite way to reject the candidates.

Ryan and Shirazmerlot
 

I've submitted my form in July 12th. And I've received an e-mail from CX one day after. More or less, the e-mail that I've received was similar to yours.

"Dear Mr XXX,

Your application will be considered along with all other eligible applicants in your geographic area when we next select for interviews.


Thank you for your interest in the Cadet Pilot Programme."


I have been waiting for my first interview for 4 and half months. I am sure that some applicants have already received their invitation (We are all in Hong Kong).


I am just worry if they rejected my application without even a notice. Anywayz, we should just keep our life goes on.

applications
 

The answers you seek..... won't be found on PP!

QNH set
 

I understand. But I have sent an e-mail to CX and I call them twice before. No one answer the phone and reply my e-mail. I have no idea what should I do now. I am still thinking about the solution.

seriously? =O
 

wait so if they don't care about experience what are they looking for?

A friend of mine got a call 1 month after applying. He had just finished high school at the time(6-8 months ago). He has no flying or working experience.

Great asset to the flight deck!

keigorjai - How much do you want the job? you emailed once and called twice.... did you leave a voicemail??how about trying to call at the start of the business day in HK, and keep trying. maybe the person you were trying was in a meeting, getting a coffee, having lunch, in the bathroom.... many possibilities or you called when nobody was in the office, ie after hours???

im amazed at how quickly you people start throwing your toys out of the pram. you apply today and if you havent been emailed a response tomorrow you dont know what to do.... welcome to the real world! get on with your lives, the number of applicants per year (now it is open to international cadets) is in the TENS of thousands. unless your cv sticks out, you will have to be patient and wait your turn. i recommend doing something productive with your time. save your money, and build your hours! when it comes time for your interview, at least you will have something to show for the time between applying and interviewing.... it might be the difference.

QNH Set nailed it - "unless your CV sticks out...."

No work experience or flying hours to date surely does not help an applicant to get a foot in the door (even though CX offers the 61 week zero to hero program).....

No reply after initial application? Get out there and continue with life, aviating and hour building and update the online application every 6 months as already stated!

Oh right, does any one know if interviews in Dubai are held by Cathay Pacific these days ?

WAIT! Wait, wait, wait. Show a little patience. I applied 3 years ago and updated my application every couple months or so until I got the call last June. Emails and calls to them are unnecessary. When and if you meet the qualifications you will get the call. Relax!

So then what you saying is that a guy with no flying or work experience fresh out of school had a CV that 'popped out'? :hmm:

No. Your responsibility.

Most moving companies will offer a couple of weeks storage as part of their package.

The trick is to time your move appropriately - without harping on about housing costs, size etc., - unless there's an emotional attachment to something, sell it or have relatives mind it for you until you've had enough or ship it.

A few reasons: apartments here are REALLY space sensitive. What works in an American or European place won't necessarily work here. Think optimization.

HKG realtors "rate" area of apartments and include (pro rated) common areas like elevator shafts and lobbies. 600 sq ft isn't 600 sq ft. Could be as low as 450 sq ft in real terms.

Western furniture isn't made for HKG humidity. It swells, distorts, cracks, mildews. Not even if you're moving from FLL. There, your a/c could run all day and keep it manageable. Trying that here will flatten your meager net salary.

By keeping your eye on expat leaving sales on the Internet, you'll get the right stuff at bargain prices. There's a constant stream of newbies and PO'd leavers. Save your money, you'll need it. Bikes, scooters, TV's, sounds systems etc., are all available locally - and have the correct systems settings, voltage and so on. Besides, HKG locals are very consumer conscious and discard their old gear as soon as a newer model comes out. If you know where to go, you can get really good stuff at absurdly low prices. Just not new stuff.

On the same note, but a bit of a digression - you'll need to save, save, save your cash. You won't have much left at all. $43K before taxes is really not enough, plain and simple. Our flight attendants out earn that. Seriously. And they're locals, with local support, knowledge and infrastructure.

...and just remember that you are signing up for a job and life in a very expensive Asian city that CX once paid A Scales to attract crew to.

Good luck. You'll need it.

A majority of successful pilots would have worked their arses off as fresh graduates or trainees. They would have done the hard yards to get their hours up and build up experience in order to land a position in the airlines. Also a lot of the advise we get from senior pilots is to not give up and concentrate and work hard towards the dream of flying etc....basically stating that you better be prepared to slave yourself and keep the struggle going during those early years.

Can people label these difficult conditions to survive as a CX SO in HK as part of that struggle? Sure it sounds tough and probably deters a few people away from applying, but I want to know whether people can 'justify' these conditions if you only look at it as a young person trying to become a successful pilot down the line and having to do his/her share of the hard yards??

MrBawse

If you have 0 experience and are young the CX cadet program is probably the best in the world, mostly on far superior conditions to those working their way up during the early years, an almost certain job flying a widebody logging hours in 6+ years, after your time as an SO and training. Free training!!!! with a living allowance, accommodation and meals. There is no better way to get an airline job for a 0 - low hour pilot. None of the guys posting here would dispute that even though many point out the drawbacks again and again. The point is it is not sustainable, you will not have a good life if you stay here for your whole career, every expat cadet who works for CX knows this.

CX are in for a tough time, the last of the guys on expat conditions will be upgrading to JFO next year, by the end of next year almost all the local cadets will also have upgraded to JFO, by the end of 2013 they will be upgrading the first guys who joined as international cadets. By the end of 2014 these guys will be approaching 500 - 700 ish hours in a widebody, some will leave who can find jobs back home with minimal total time. By the end of 2015 many will have left, by the end of 2016 for every SO they upgrade one or more FOs will be leaving to go home to fly. They will have two options, hugely increase the cadet package or accept the loss. What everyone who works here as an expat pilot knows is that if conditions remain as they are for expats cadets it is inevitable that most, by most I mean almost 100%, will leave. Cathay played the racial discrimination card in their favor, it will bite them as the increase in conditions will be for all not just expats as everyone is now hired as a cadet, if they can't continue with the inevitable exodus in a few years.

BarronBlue

How many years do you think it will take on this package to get to HK$93,000 a month? I think you may be surprised to hear that it will be well past 10 years at CX.


For experienced guys you have to gamble, will they increase the conditions or will they just disregard seniority and the contract, which does not mean much here in China, and hire DEFOs from third world countries once they see the crew shortage? My bet is No 2. It is inevitable that they will lose almost all expat cadets if they do nothing. The next 5 years are going to be interesting here but if you are pushing past 30 and have some hours do you really want to be getting close to 40 and having to think about starting again somewhere else? Yes it is a good deal as a start, no it is not a good deal for a career, seniority is going to be your worst enemy, starting again at 40 is a hard thing to do, never getting ahead in life is probably harder.

8 weeks or bust?
 

So after 8 weeks, does that mean they're telling you to try reapply, if you like, after 12 months or that's that?

I'm guessing that also means they're not sending rejection emails anymore?

I don't know if that 8 weeks thing is still valid. I have heard a cadet saying that the processing of applications started getting up to 4-6 months since last year due to the amount of applications had gone up. Moreover, some said they received rejection letter from Cathay.

Oh, that's good to hear. Sorta. Patient as ever and gives me time to work and study and maybe consider flight school here in Hong Kong at the aviation club.

Anybody tried or know about the flight course at HKAC?

edit: and thanks for the reply!

Hello,

I am trying to find detailed information about CX's fleet, mainly regarding what engine the airline uses to power their fleet.

Been searching for a while and cant seem to find much about the engines CX use.

Does anyone have a link to where i may find detailed information?

Thank you in advance.

Hey guys,

I am trying to get the application mask on the website of cathay but for some days I only see an error page.

Does anybody know what is goin on or where I can find the application page?

@schweizer2 I have the same problem, I know they mainly have RR engines but I am not sure if they use RR exclusively or not.
Also, the math test used to be 33 mins but now i think it has changed because it's a 45 minutes one. Are the math problems the same or has the content of the test itself changed?

The engines CX use have not been mentioned at all in 180 pages of people asking the same question. :ugh::ugh:

Also, the maths test is different, it's ummm...... 45-33= 12!!!
12 minutes longer. :eek:

If you scour the net for long enough the gen is out there, I just can't remember exactly where... The maths test is very difficult, completion isn't necessarily expected. Along the lines of 36.2% 0.0000348. Tasty.

Don't search only in this forum for information. Go to a plane registry site find Cathay fleet and go plane by plane to see the engines ... You'll probably notice a pattern in registries-dates-engines http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/thumbs.gif

Anybody with no-experience that got a date for 2nd stage in HK in January, pm me?

Math test for the TT training has changed from what has been posted on here before. It consisted of two parts with I think 18 questions per part. It is totally possible to finish. I did. No more multiple part questions. It is just 36 individual questions. Fractions, percentages, and aviation related questions. Like you have to clear a 4000' hill by 2000' with a six degree climb gradient. What is the distance required to clear it? Blah blah. Enjoy!

Hi everyone,
Just wondering if anyone knew of more Australian interview dates?
Does anyone have any coming up in the near future. Would be much appreciated.

@mtc, thanks for the infom, but do you mean 6% climb gradient? or 6 degrees climb angle. not saying anything, just wondering if it's me being confused about aviation math (which im sure i am!) or was a typing mistake, as I havent found climb gradient expressed in degrees so far.
Would be grateful for any other input regarding the aviation math test.

Aviation Maths
 

Thanks for the update, @mtc for the maths test. I haven't encountered aviation -maths yet, just studied mostly on the theory of flight and slowly studying through flight instruments and the other technical areas.

Any suggestions where I can read/study aviation related maths?