Trial Flight in AUS / NZ
 

wcy:

I am also planning to do a trial flight,

but would you consider to fly in AUS/NZ?

I believe the quality there are better?

Additional Helpful videos
 

Here is the entry level series with interviews with cadets and Second officers

Cathay Pacific Careers - YouTube

And HERE is the abbreviated history of Cathay Pacific... most of you probably thought it is amateur videos of Kai Tak landings, but its in fact a very helpful short documentary

Kai Tak - The Final Approach [Cathay Pacific Airways] - YouTube

Mental math & Physics in Compass test
 

May I ask does anyone know if the stag 1a Compass Aptitude Test includes include mental math test? Also, what is the difficulty of the Physics test?

@bb46thor

You are given a piece of paper to do your working. No calculators are allowed.

Physics difficulty is stated on the site as "highschool level." It's up to you how you interpret that. There are examples in this thread. You just gotta look for them.

Answers of these questions are all over the place mate. Do your work before you ask any questions. Spoon-feeding is not an option for the position which you are applying I'm sorry to say

CXCPP Stage II Interview 27 Mar 2014
 

Hey guys

If anybody has an interview on 27 Mar 2014, please PM me. We could learn from one another and prepare for the big day together.

da_vichy

Did anyone submit application to Cadet pilot program recently?

Stage 2 CX Cadet Pilot Program. 26th May 2014
 

Hi I just received the interview date.
I would like to network if there is anyone having the interview on this day. We could learn and study together too.

Kindly PM me on +852 6213 5233.

Thank you D.

Technical Interview
 

Are we allowed to do our math related questions on a written surface? Or do we stand next to a whiteboard the whole time in the situation of them asking us to draw?

I don't trust my mental math.

Hey guys, I've just been invited to stage 1B after completing my 1A just yesterday so I thought maybe I could help others out, so here it is:

Jan 28th, 2014: Applied to SO Cadet programme online
Feb 5th, 2014: 8 days later! Invited for a Stage 1A Interview (provided with the JKI Booklet to study from)

1A Interview:
- Multiple Choice test. Basically a bunch of technical questions, based off (but not limited to!) the JKI Booklet they send you, so study up on it and do extra research too!!
- COMPASS. This consisted of a bunch of different computerized tests, such as hand-eye coordination type stuff, basic maths, multitasking etc. The math I would say is basic arithmetic type stuff, don't worry too much because you have a piece of paper to use for math problems so it's not all mental maths.

That's really the basic gist of the Intial A process! Happy studying and good luck to you!

CX CPP stage 2 on 10 April
 

Is anyone here going to have CX stage 2 on 10 April? Let's study and do some practice together

Oh wow, they called you back after 10 days from the day you applied for SO online?
That was fast.

wooo Schmidtdude
 

Good on you for making it to round 2!

Do you mind if I ask when is Part B for you? How much time do you have to prepare for the interview?

Stage 1 is in ten days for me. Thanks for the boost! Best of luck to you!

eric900: 8 days actually :) yeah I wasn't expecting it either!

The Architect: thanks! part B is in 2 weeks for me, good luck with your stage 1A!

Whats the news with AE and TT, any updates from inside sources? I'm aware there are a lot of guys in a "hold pool" for it already, but will it ever start up again? Anyone know the real reasons behind the local drive at the moment when the airline has clearly always been a fan of expats previously....?

Schmidtdude
 

Oh wow that's good. Good luck with your interviews!
Sorry didn't notice that I typed 10. I must've been thinking about other stuff earlier.

Islandhopper,

I am thinking they may want cheap labor and a bunch of button pushers, that lack real flight experience.

Yep, local guys that are paid the same as people who are hired through AE and TT:ugh: a lot cheaper...

Not an inside source but it is most likely to do with the current demand for pilots, ab-initio cadets take longer to train than AE and TT so if there is not a very high current demand then AE and TT will be scaled back, but then with the A350's arriving etc. they will need pilots in the long term so ab-initio is carrying on. Also, Cathay had been under pressure from the immigration department because of their 'preference for expats' so that may also be a factor as ab-initio is only open for locals.

Again, not an insider but I think AE and TT should open sometime around 2015 as the A350s are (supposed to) arrive in 2016

Juliette Alpha,

AE, TT, and Ab initio may have the same contracts, in terms of pay and benefits, but haven't the conditions for cadets been on the decline? I've seen that referenced many times on this forum. This could have something to do with the focus only being on local ab initio candidates.

Compass Test
 

Congrats on passing Stage 1 A and good luck for the next stages.

Having looked through the thread people seem to mention a Physics Test is part of the Compass Test, did you have to do one as well, and if so what kind of Physics were prevalent. (i.e. Forces and Motion, Waves, Electric Circuits)

Thanks,

kycfi85 because locals only?
 

The decline of standards is due to the reduced and targeted applicant pool Cathay is drawing their new recruits from (HK residents only)

Either that, or the locked out expats are getting butt-hurt at the new recruitment scheme and/or pay. I do have reasons to believe that, based on their current 'rate of recruitment' VS 'new aircraft introductions' they will open the flood gates soon and re-hire expats.

Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme
 

Hi guys, I am going to apply the cadet program next year. Is there anyone would like to form a group study? I am current staff in an airline. If you don't mind, please leave your email, and I will contact you.

Physics Test?
 

If any of you are still wondering, the physics test was perhaps one of the easiest and most relaxing part of the compass. The questions are easy, I can answer them in less then 10 seconds, most require basic concepts you probably know from elementary school with almost no math. They also involve a little aerodynamic questions, which should also be fine if you studied the JKI.

Seawolf2- It wasn't so hard was it?

Jackykiller- Why next year? Why not now?

Some people think that there is going to be some dramatic increase in pilot recruitment at CX because of aircraft orders in place. The reality is far different. Between now and 2024 CX will retire approximately 70 aircraft from its fleet. This includes 21 x B747-400 pax and freighters, 12 x A340-300, 5 x B777-200, 12 x B777-300, and 17 x A330-300. In that same time frame 93 aircraft are on order. This is a net gain of 23 aircraft or 2.3 aircraft per year.

Now the kicker for all you wannabes is that the HK Civil Aviation Department has just approved CX’s new “Flight Time Limitation” scheme which now allows 3 man Long Range Operations where previously it required 4. This came into effect on the 1st March. Also all Long Range Operations that are flown 3 crew must comprise 1 x Capt and 2 x FO’s. SO’s will only be required on Ultra Long Range Operations to New York and Toronto and some A330 flights to Middle Eastern and Australian destinations. In the stroke of a pen the SO requirement by CX has potentially been reduced by 100’s.

Lastly it was asked when CX will start AE & TT courses again. TT is currently on hold as there isn’t the need for many SO’s. AE will probably never return as the HK Immigration Department from what I have been told doesn’t believe they meet the requirements for the granting of a sponsored work visa. There are two fundamental requirements that an employer must meet when sponsoring an expatriate employee in HK. The prospective employee MUST bring into HK a QUALIFICATION and EXPERIENCE that isn’t readily available in HK. Since an AE pilot doesn’t hold an ATPL because they don’t meet the experience requirements to hold one the HK Immigration Department from what I gather doesn’t believe they meet the requirements for a visa.

Does this mean we will see a slow-down or even a halt in SO recruitment?

If there is a lower requirement for SO's because of the new AFTL's then yes SO recruitment could slow down or even be halted for a while.



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That's why I smile when people come out during Singapore Air show and say industry needs 50000 pilots.

Another pilot mill:

http://business.asiaone.com/news/sia...ning-programme

http://www.ctcaviation.com/news/arti...res_for_growth

http://www.toledoblade.com/business/...d-to-soar.html

Because I am not ready, both English and technical knowledge

Just curious...
How does CX assign pilots to fly passengers aircraft or freighters?
Some pilots need to fly freighters because of their performance?
thanks!

is there a document abt the amendment in “Flight Time Limitation”?

magic_nic

I can’t provide a copy of CX’s AFTL’s as they are in a company document which isn’t permitted to be distributed outside the company. I would suggest though contacting:

Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association (HKAOA)

Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department (HKCAD)

And having a read of:

“HKCAD 371 (Second Edition) THE AVOIDANCE OF FATIGUE IN AIRCREWS”

This "resembles" the new AFTL’s that CX operate under as it was built around it but there are variations. Crewing being one of them.

Cost of Training
 

Around how much does the company pay for the training of each new Cadet?

That include air fares, accommodation, ground school, flight training etc.
How much resource was mobilized for every cadet in the program?

I have done my searches in this thread and it suggests the figure to lie somewhere around 1.2 - 1.3 million HKD which cadets must pay if facing a premature leave. Correct me if I am wrong.

Do you think this could mean accepting applicants for direct entry FOs in the near future (if less SOs are needed and SO positions are filled by cadets with no real flying experience?)

fozzi

Short answer, no. The new AFTL’s haven’t increased the need for FO’s at all. What they have done is to reduce the crewing requirement overall by eliminating the need for SO’s on the majority of Long Haul flights. Any shortfall in FO’s and Capt’s that may eventuate because of additional down route rest required with 3 man Long Range Ops will be made up by internal promotions.

Pilot reduced
 

Welp, does that mean a more rigorous selection for Hong Kong kids?

Or is it counter balanced by crucifying the expats?

How do you see the selection intensity now comparing it to a few years ago?


I'm having initial B in a few days and am already loosing sleep over this =_=

If your eliminating the need for SO's and increasing the need for FO's then you will have to look at DEFO!

If you halve the amount of SO's you have but the number of FO's stays the same where will you get the extra's from for filling the FO spots as they become available?

they just fall out of skies
 

I think it will go down like what 404 said.

Internal promotions to upgrade their 'experienced' SOs so they become FOs. The new regulation allows SOs on fewer long haul flights, they will not have a shortage on either side, saves money and labor...

Looking for wingman on 26/3 stage two interview
 

Looking for my wingman on 26/3 stage two cx interview
Please leave a message if you see this

Gold! Naughty pilot.....:=

pilotchute

Local recruitment of cadets from Hong Kong will more than satisfy the need for SO’s for the foreseeable future. There are about 50 long haul flights a day that are potentially affected by the new “AFTL’s”. A reduction of 25% of the crewing requirement on these flights will have an effect on SO recruitment as evidenced by the fact the TT recruitment stream hasn’t been restarted.

The next step in this jigsaw puzzle is the renaming of SO’s as Cruise FO’s. Once the HKCAD changes the requirement for Base Training (Circuits with touch & go landings) in the real aircraft rather than in a sim, SO’s will become Cruise FO’s and meet the requirements for 3 man long range ops. Cruise FO’s will have the same restrictions as SO’s, i.e. no take-offs or landing and only allowed in the seat above FL200, oh and I nearly forgot, the same pay as an SO or if the cynical side of me is right, probably less.