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:ok:Well also got into the q to be a wanabe cadet pilot.
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just received.
first interview on 28th Feb afternoon. Anyone else going? |
I am also one of those that applied through the January ad in The Star (Malaysia) but still no news :sad:
Will they tell you if you are rejected? Is there still hope if there is no reply after more than a month? Anyone who has gotten a rejection notification before? Perhaps I can safely assume that I have not been chosen? :sad: |
I have not received any call-up either. :confused:
Date of application sent: 25th Jan 2006 I am 28, with degree in engineering. Perrierwlime, Nice to hear that your long wait has lead to your 1st interview. How did they inform you about your interview date...? By phone or email? Care to share your qualification? Are you a Singaporean? (Employee notice waiting period) --> How long did you write on your application form? All the best for your interview & Good luck, Bro! :) |
Fellas,
As far as I know, only shortlisted candidates will be notified. So I don't think (or rather, have never heard of) rejection letters/emails for first interview. If you have waited for a ridiculously long time without any response, just send in another application. That's what I would do. Just my 2 cents worth. Good luck! :ok: 9V |
Drgnkid
I have been reading the previous thread that was 2 years long and what i gathered from there was that you'll only get informed that you are rejected if you are kicked out at any stage after the first interview. If you are still waiting for first interview, the "only shortlisted candidates will be notified" applies. Silent Can see that you read my first post. I sent in on 23rd Dec so it's been 8 weeks. I think that's a long wait :zzz: but I guess since I can get the first interview it's worth it. I got informed through email. I thought it'll be thru phone. If I am not wrong, any correspondence should be by phone after 1st interview. To think I have been making sure my phone is 1) on 2) batt full 3) within audible range and 4) not on silent. You also said you wanna know more about my quali. I am: 26 (supposedly from what i heard from this forum is the golden age :O for cadet pilot) Singaporean degree in mech eng worked for half a year in oil and gas. (resigned) As for the employer notice period, only when you said it i went to check and i realised i left it blank := . Anyway i can start immediate. Anyone going for first interview on 28th feb please let me know. I need to ask you guys about the timing. Actually I have another interview in an aerospace company on the same day. I am screwed. Last but not least. I waited for 8 weeks. So if you are anywhere shorter than that don't give up!! ;) |
Thanks Perrier. One perrier with lime for you! ;)
Not sure if this has been asked before but how do they go through the selection process? I mean, there are thousands of applicants so how do they manage to narrow it down to, say, a hundred or two? Poor HR people...I bet they all wear glasses as thick as the bottom of a Coke bottle. No offense, just a figure of speech :O |
I think that has never been asked. I mean from what I have read so far. I think the factors are,
age whether highest level of education is relevant to flight. (physics yes, mech engineering yes, biomedical sciences no, business no.) Results of science subjects in O and A levels. eyesight (this one i was told by my sis-in-law's bro that it's very important. he was maintenance engineer with SIAEC) |
They see if you have any flying experience. Then, look at your qualifications, whether you have basics in Science. It does not matter if your highest qualification is relevant to flight. There are many with dip in biz, comms, and degrees majoring in life science, business, even medicine. Many from different industries have also applied and successfully got in. Eg, Insurance Agents, former doctors, property agents, administrator, IT specialists and etc. So if you did not have any flying or flying related background in school, you still stand a fair chance.
Eyesight is one of the most important factors. So is height. Honestly saying, you will be surprised by the number of applicants that apply whom actually don't meet the stated requirements on the application. |
Hmm...juz wanna ask if they accept anyone below 26 so far?
What about if u hav tertiary educations but not frm the five local polys?As I've sent my application on the 17 Feb.Still waitig or should i juz wait til i'm 26... Best regards to all in the forum, Ace |
acelucius,
I think they lowered the age limit. Someone has to confirm. But that only applies to Singaporeans and PRs. It's alright if you are not from the 5 local polys. Doesn't mean you will have less chances. My advise...play the waiting game. Till you reach 26, send in another application if you don't hear from them. Don't call and bug them everyday. I know they don't like that. |
Originally Posted by Perrierwlime
eyesight (this one i was told by my sis-in-law's bro that it's very important. he was maintenance engineer with SIAEC)
But, I have a visual acuity of 6/60 uncorrected and 6/5 corrected (based on my recent medical for Class 1), is that acceptable? I have also gotten my Class 1 medical certification about a week after I submitted the application for SQ Cadetship. Should I update my application by sending them a copy of the med cert? If I have managed to qualify for a Malaysian Class 1 medical, would it up my chances by a wee bit? |
Billkill n Rykin,
Thanks for the info,mates!hmm... will continue to play e waitin game.Guess i'll use e spare time at e moment to learn more abt becomin a pilot. Just wanna let those wannabes like myself know abt tiz website that i've found recently containin lotsa info abt becomin a pilot(website mentioned in in tiz forum quite some time ago which I think will benefit to those who who join tiz forum recently) www.askcaptainlim.com Cheers to all! Best regards, Ace |
Originally Posted by billkill
acelucius,
I think they lowered the age limit. Someone has to confirm. But that only applies to Singaporeans and PRs. It's alright if you are not from the 5 local polys. Doesn't mean you will have less chances. My advise...play the waiting game. Till you reach 26, send in another application if you don't hear from them. Don't call and bug them everyday. I know they don't like that. regarding the issue of age, yup i have also heard of the numbers 26 due to the Airforce and SIA agreement, however i tried my luck and submitted my application when i just turned 25 and i managed to get the interview and med checks, however have been waiting since for them to call me up for a OBS course... Close to 4 mths of waiting since my meds. turning 25 1/2 very soon so i'm hoping for them to call me up! Heard from the HR ppl myself that they do call sporeans below 25 up for interviews but they would not start the course till they are old enuff. However priority for interviews goes to the older guys since they can start immediately and as ur med results are only valid for 6 mths My 2 cents... Rdgs |
just to let anyone hoping to be called for the 28th feb interview know.
it was stated in the email i have to confirm my attendance by 24th feb. so you haven't gotten anything by now, i think you'll have to wait for the next. Play the waiting game dudes.:ok: You can't rush it. |
Good luck Perrierwlime. Hope my turn will come soon. I've sent my application on 10 Feb.
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Hi aviator123,
U've sent ur application on 10 feb?hmm...pls let me if u get a reply coz i sent mine few days after urs. Good luck to ya!! Best regards Ace |
Hi all,
thought i might just chime in with what little i know. First, the youngest s'porean i know that got accepted as a cadet pilot is 25.5 years old. There are in fact, a few who are under 26 years old. However, their acceptance into SIA is on a case by case basis. Apparently, SIA has to get clearance from the AirForce to take these guys. Next, applicants must fulfill the pre-requisites i.e. O Levels with A levels/Dip/Degree. Billkill seems to say that there are cadets without the basic requirements, physical or academic, but i personally do not know any. Maybe i misunderstood him. Anyway, the furthest SIA has gone to bend their requirements that I personally know of, is for a cadet with only combined science in O levels instead of the pure science as required. That's as far as they're willing to go, it appears. With regards to ThermalImage's and JMike's discussion, I feel that both have their valid points. I can understand that a guy with all the passion for flying, but saddled with a family, loans, meagre savings and a current permanent job would be in a dilemma to accept a cadet pilot position, no matter the rewards which may or may not come later. Not everyone (with their responsibilities in tow) is lucky enough to be able to survive on savings and the little that SIA pays for 2 years or so. Which is why in the interviews, they ask your family background to get a feel of your financial health. Nevertheless, SIA cadet pilots are certainly one of the luckiest pple around. By the time he's finished with Jandakot, SIA would have spent $150k on him. By the time he is done with Maroochydore, he would have cost the company $300k. All in about 2 years. And to do what? Travel around the world while earning a very nice salary. I don't think that the civil service, or in fact any other job can compare. So SIA can tell me that they're not even going to pay a salary, and I'll still gladly take up the job. :) |
Oh what i meant was besides meeting the basic requirements stated, which is available on SIA's website or the papers. You definitely have to meet the basics, other than that, it;s all based on your character, personality, how you handle yourself and if you are an all-rounder. Your major in university or even your post in your previous job does not weigh much at all. Someone has posed this question to me about working experience and how important it is. It is important to a certain extent.
On another note, Knightwhosays_NI had fortified what I had said earlier. It's based on each individual and their preference. Some think long term, some think short term. |
Originally Posted by Knightwhosays_NI
Hi all,
thought i might just chime in with what little i know. First, the youngest s'porean i know that got accepted as a cadet pilot is 25.5 years old. There are in fact, a few who are under 26 years old. However, their acceptance into SIA is on a case by case basis. Apparently, SIA has to get clearance from the AirForce to take these guys. Next, applicants must fulfill the pre-requisites i.e. O Levels with A levels/Dip/Degree. Billkill seems to say that there are cadets without the basic requirements, physical or academic, but i personally do not know any. Maybe i misunderstood him. Anyway, the furthest SIA has gone to bend their requirements that I personally know of, is for a cadet with only combined science in O levels instead of the pure science as required. That's as far as they're willing to go, it appears. With regards to ThermalImage's and JMike's discussion, I feel that both have their valid points. I can understand that a guy with all the passion for flying, but saddled with a family, loans, meagre savings and a current permanent job would be in a dilemma to accept a cadet pilot position, no matter the rewards which may or may not come later. Not everyone (with their responsibilities in tow) is lucky enough to be able to survive on savings and the little that SIA pays for 2 years or so. Which is why in the interviews, they ask your family background to get a feel of your financial health. Nevertheless, SIA cadet pilots are certainly one of the luckiest pple around. By the time he's finished with Jandakot, SIA would have spent $150k on him. By the time he is done with Maroochydore, he would have cost the company $300k. All in about 2 years. And to do what? Travel around the world while earning a very nice salary. I don't think that the civil service, or in fact any other job can compare. So SIA can tell me that they're not even going to pay a salary, and I'll still gladly take up the job. :) Starting with educational qualifications, the "must have" is set by CAAS: http://www.caas.gov.sg/media/CAAS/fo...ions/sasp2.pdf Page 6 of 101, para 5: 5 An applicant, whether ab initio or requiring an abridged course will not be accepted for training on an approved training course for the issue of a Commercial Pilot Licence course unless he hold a General Certificate of Education with passes in five subjects at ordinary level including English Language, Mathematics and a Science subject. And then para 6 says: 6 Applicants who possess other equivalent educational qualifications or foreign professional pilot’s licences should seek advice from the CAAS to determine whether their qualifications can be accepted for this purpose. NOTE : Approved Training means training carried out under special curricula and supervision approved by a Contracting State. Comments: Although CPL is referred to here, presumably ATPL carries the same or more stringent requirements on the logic that an ATPL course is more difficult than a CPL course. And of course the typo error is noted (CAAS, take note, poor proofreading). However, the "nice to have" is set by SIA; see and contrast the requirements set by them: http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...ew.jsp#Header2 a) minimum 2 'A's and 2 'O's, including General Paper, in the GCE 'A' Level Examination (or its equivalent);or b) minimum 2 Principal Passes (excluding the languages; Mathematics and Science subjects preferred) and 2 Subsidiary Passes in the STPM (or its equivalent); or c) Polytechnic diploma; or d) University degree Comments: Note that there is no mention of a pure science requirement. Note also that requirements a, b, c and d are separated by "or", not "and". If this advertisement is written correctly (they have been known for sloppy work in drafting out requirements), then it means that if you have no 'O' levels but have a degree, you are still eligible, even though CAAS says you must have 'O' levels (para 5) but with higher qualifications being considered at their discretion (para 6). So there appears to be some contradictions here. Turning to JMIKE - he has gone quiet, unable to answer the challenge to compare apples with apples. So much for his claim that he was a (retired) professional. What kind of professional, with years of working experience, can make such a stupid comparison and say a Bangla ditch digger earns more than an SIA cadet pilot? When confronted with the flaws in his reasoning, he then makes a feeble attempt to compare trainee policemen / firemen / riflemen / ATCO with a cadet pilot, but conveniently avoids comparing SIA cadet pilot pay with any other cadet pilot pay. Take note: his comparison is NOT AT ALL about the hurdles and dilemmas a potential cadet might face - by comparing the respective pay of cadets and ditch diggers he insinuates that SIA is enslaving and exploiting cadet pilots. Cadets don't produce any returns for the company until they are FOs, so what exploitation is he talking about? He can't even understand that cadets are receiving training, but ditch diggers are working. Note that his post flows suspiciously like a pre-U student writing an essay. Fools with a malicious agenda deserve to be exposed. The (financial) hardship any candidate may face as an SIA cadet pilot, must be compared to the real alternative - the willingness to bet on himself (ie fund his own training up to ATPL level), if he wants to become an airline pilot. The other part, betting on his ability and setting aside the time to do it, is a given. It is common to both scenarios, whether self funded or as a cadet pilot. In other words, the decision has already been made to become an airline pilot, before choosing whether to pay your own way or be a cadet. Becoming an SIA cadet pilot is definitely not a suck-it-and-see joyride for those who are not sure if they want to be airline pilots, whether for SIA or not. If someone wants to be a cadet but is in financial straits to such an extent that it cannot be mitigated, then that person has shown poor planning and should not be allowed to be an airline pilot. Usually the largest financial obligation a young man has is a car - which can be sold to reduce the debt burden he may have. No big deal there. For the 2 1/2 years or so during training, there is really no need to have a car because of the residential nature of the course. The chance of failure is unchanged whether one is self-funded or sponsored by SIA. Therefore, that particular fear factor (not being sure of the outcome) is irrelevant - because if you can't fly, then you can't fly regardless of whether you pay for your own training or SIA pays for it. If you are so desperate to be an airline pilot that you think the marginal / extra hours that you can pay for (when you are self-funded) will help you (struggle) through ATPL training, then for sure when you face much more complex exercises during Learjet training or fleet conversion you WILL crash and burn. Might as well save all that money and grief now and just accept that you are not cut out to be an airline pilot. In short: 1. Be sure that you want to be an airline pilot. 2. Be grateful that SIA wants to sponsor you to follow your dream. 3. If you think that the allowance you will get during training is too low, then don't join. You obviously don't have a clue about becoming an airline pilot and how much the rest of the world has to pay to become one. 4. If you think that 2 1/2 years is too long to be receiving training, then don't join. You obviously don't have a clue about becoming an airline pilot and how long the rest of the world has to wait to become one. |
sigh, it says poly diploma, so i guess my adv dip from an australian university is not eligible?
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Originally Posted by Knightwhosays_NI
First, the youngest s'porean i know that got accepted as a cadet pilot is 25.5 years old.
For academic qualifications, what ThermalImage wrote is straight from the SIA website, so I guess that's the most updated. But previously (actually as recent as Jul 2005) it was clearly stated in the requirements that a candidate must have the minimum 5 GCE 'O' Level passes or equivalent, and pure science being preferred etc. The SASP2 from CAAS is dated August 2000. Maybe things have changed? 9V |
Anybody joining Course 119???
Hi all
just got an offer from SIA to join the course on the 24th of March!!! After months of waiting... Any fellow coursemates going for course 119 too? Lets start with the head count and keep in contact till we meet up :ok: Cse 119 @ 24 Mar -> DsboA -> |
Hi DsboA,
Congrats dude, all the best to you and those who got call up. cheers.. |
it means that if you have no 'O' levels but have a degree, you are still eligible, even though CAAS says you must have 'O' levels (para 5) but with higher qualifications being considered at their discretion (para 6). So there appears to be some contradictions here. If someone wants to be a cadet but is in financial straits to such an extent that it cannot be mitigated, then that person has shown poor planning and should not be allowed to be an airline pilot. Usually the largest financial obligation a young man has is a car It's nice to see such passion in a pilot, ThermalImage. However, it's not realistic to expect others to feel the same way as you do. :) By the way, what fleet/batch are you with? |
Originally Posted by DsboA
Hi all
just got an offer from SIA to join the course on the 24th of March!!! After months of waiting... Any fellow coursemates going for course 119 too? Lets start with the head count and keep in contact till we meet up :ok: Cse 119 @ 24 Mar -> DsboA -> Congratulations to you dude. I am going for first interview tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully one day i can also post a note here saying i am going for course 1XX. Hahaha... Wish me luck guys. I need lots of it. |
Perrierwlime,
Congratulation dude and all the best to you man and please do tell us how it did the interview go.... cheers |
Originally Posted by Perrierwlime
DsboA,
Congratulations to you dude. I am going for first interview tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully one day i can also post a note here saying i am going for course 1XX. Hahaha... Wish me luck guys. I need lots of it. thanx for the encouragement, wow first rd today, cool man. Just memorize your technical stuff and stay cool when u enter the room. Do not be unsettled or panicky even if they ask u tricky or personal qns early in the interview, just take ur time to organise your thoughts before answering them Be on time but not too early cuz there will always be leftovers from the AM session. (I was early and my turn was like 1 hr later than scheduled) Just do your best and let them decide the outcome Good Luck & hope to see ur favourable posting soon!!! |
Just a question
hi guys,
This is out of curiosity, has any malaysian been called for the interview? Anyway for those who had been called and going for the interview all the best guys :ok:... cheers |
Harlow guys. Just wondering if anyone has the contact no. of SIA HR dept? Want to call to find out if they have receive my application. Thank alot. :}
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Originally Posted by aviator123
Harlow guys. Just wondering if anyone has the contact no. of SIA HR dept? Want to call to find out if they have receive my application. Thank alot. :}
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I am at a loss for words...
Hello guys,
I don't know what to say :ooh: .... I am at a loss for words.... :ooh: As some of you guys would know, I went for the interview yesterday afternoon. I said 1 or 2 "I don't :confused: know"s and I think for the rest of it I did ok. I just opened my email inbox and I froze when I saw an email from SIA:eek: . My final interview cum tea party is on 7th and 8th March. WOW!! :ok: They took less than 24 hours to inform me of my next interview. I'm feeling a little numb now:uhoh: . Numb from the shock. Talk to you guys again.... |
Hey Perrierwlime,
congrats man..I happy for you man and all the best for your final interview.....you are one step closer to achieving you dreams. cheers, graco |
Hi people, does anybody knows if having ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) affects your chance of becoming joining the SIA pilot cadet programme? Do you all know of anyone with ADD and still working for SIA as a pilot?
Thanks in advance. |
Originally Posted by SIASPARKY
Hi people, does anybody knows if having ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) affects your chance of becoming joining the SIA pilot cadet programme? Do you all know of anyone with ADD and still working for SIA as a pilot?
Thanks in advance. http://appserver2.caas.gov.sg/CAASAp...gulations.htm# then click on Air Navigation Order, and see paragraph 80: Physical and Mental Requirements 80. The applicant must not suffer from any disease or disability which could render the applicant likely to become incapacitated in a manner which will affect the performance of his functions in a safe manner. 81. The applicant must not have any established medical history or clinical diagnosis of — (a) a psychosis; (b) alcoholism; (c) drug dependence; (d) any personality disorder, particularly if such disorder is severe enough to have repeatedly resulted in overt acts; or (e) a mental abnormality, or neurosis of a significant degree, which, according to accredited medical conclusion, might render the applicant unable to provide in a safe manner any air traffic service specified in any ratings in his air traffic controller licence or applied for in his application for a licence unless accredited medical conclusion indicates that in special circumstances, the applicant’s failure to meet this requirement is such that the provision of any air traffic service is not likely to jeopardise flight safety. 82. —(1) The applicant must not have any established medical history or clinical diagnosis of any mental abnormality, personality disorder or neurosis which, according to accredited medical conclusion, makes it likely that within 2 years of the medical examination referred to in paragraph 2 (b), the applicant will be unable to provide in a safe manner any air traffic service specified in any ratings in his air traffic controller licence or applied for in his application for a licence. (2) A history of acute toxic psychosis need not be regarded as disqualifying if the applicant has suffered no permanent impairment. That means, if you have a history of ADD, you are disqualified. But if you merely think you have ADD, but it's not documented anywhere, then go ahead and try for the Cadet Pilot program. If you can survive 6 months in the Flying College without spacing out, then you are way better than some who fall asleep in class. If your ADD is not so acute that a bystander just thinks that you are slightly dreamy, you might survive the ATPL program. But if you have acute ADD and have used it as an excuse before (eg during NS), someone might get hold of that history and blow your cover. |
Originally Posted by Perrierwlime
Hello guys,
I don't know what to say :ooh: .... I am at a loss for words.... :ooh: As some of you guys would know, I went for the interview yesterday afternoon. I said 1 or 2 "I don't :confused: know"s and I think for the rest of it I did ok. I just opened my email inbox and I froze when I saw an email from SIA:eek: . My final interview cum tea party is on 7th and 8th March. WOW!! :ok: They took less than 24 hours to inform me of my next interview. I'm feeling a little numb now:uhoh: . Numb from the shock. Talk to you guys again.... |
Hello Hello!! Seems like this is your first post here. When did you go for the first interview? You're in Malaysia? Or you are in Singapore?
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I am in singapore... working actually... i went for my 1st on 19th... pm u later!
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Originally Posted by Thermal Image
That means, if you have a history of ADD, you are disqualified. But if you merely think you have ADD, but it's not documented anywhere, then go ahead and try for the Cadet Pilot program. If you can survive 6 months in the Flying College without spacing out, then you are way better than some who fall asleep in class.
If your ADD is not so acute that a bystander just thinks that you are slightly dreamy, you might survive the ATPL program. But if you have acute ADD and have used it as an excuse before (eg during NS), someone might get hold of that history and blow your cover. |
I think anything medical, it is up to the doctor doing the check-up to judge. There are lots of circumstances that a lot fall out during the last phase of the process because of even a small ailment. So even if you have a medical problem, just go ahead and apply.
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