Skill Test in India before Conversion of Licence
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Central Vigilance Commission unearths Rs 190 crore flying club fraud - The Times of India
NEW DELHI: A large number of flying schools across India are involved in an elaborate fraud, posing as no-profit no-loss operations while raking in crores.
An investigation by the Central Vigilance Commission has found that a majority of flying schools/clubs in India posed as registered societies, operating on no-profit no-loss basis, to avoid paying the government full fee for operations. Resultantly, the government has lost at least Rs 190 crore in revenue, according to the CVC probe.
NEW DELHI: A large number of flying schools across India are involved in an elaborate fraud, posing as no-profit no-loss operations while raking in crores.
An investigation by the Central Vigilance Commission has found that a majority of flying schools/clubs in India posed as registered societies, operating on no-profit no-loss basis, to avoid paying the government full fee for operations. Resultantly, the government has lost at least Rs 190 crore in revenue, according to the CVC probe.
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this is beautiful 
.. the flying clubs here cheat the government so openly 
and they think the skill test provided by them is gona be any genuine 
??? 
the dgca should now atleast have some shame
to blame the authenticity of other icao states licenses and paperwork!!
.. the flying clubs here cheat the government so openly and they think the skill test provided by them is gona be any genuine ??? the dgca should now atleast have some shame
to blame the authenticity of other icao states licenses and paperwork!!
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Another thing! They wont accept your application without the AADHAR UID CARD from 1st April and even if i apply the card now which takes 4 months to get i will be out of recency by the time i get! Oh god!!
i wanna die! iam my recency right now and was planning to come to india & submit my application in April!!
i wanna die! iam my recency right now and was planning to come to india & submit my application in April!!
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DGCA rule
Guys, everything is planned. It is DGCA's plan to keep number of un-employed pilots less by not giving us indian license. So that they can show ICAO that most of Indian pilots are employed.
According to this rule, we have to fly in India for recency and as you guys know that it will take atleast 2 months to do recency in India and even quality of flying and condition of aircrafts are very bad. So it will take time.
I am doing my recency here, and told my CFI about this rule. And i will be done with my recency in 3 days. Thats good for me,
I hope you guys can also submit your paper work before April 1st 2012. If you need any help for recency or anything, feel free to pm me.
Regards,
Anil dedha.
According to this rule, we have to fly in India for recency and as you guys know that it will take atleast 2 months to do recency in India and even quality of flying and condition of aircrafts are very bad. So it will take time.
I am doing my recency here, and told my CFI about this rule. And i will be done with my recency in 3 days. Thats good for me,
I hope you guys can also submit your paper work before April 1st 2012. If you need any help for recency or anything, feel free to pm me.
Regards,
Anil dedha.
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Holding CPL ME on FAA license!!!
Guys I hold FAA CPL ME only. I do not have SE ad-on on FAA. Now i require SE endorsement only, on DGCA license. i have flown C 152/172 in the U.S. Am i eligible to get SE on DGCA CPL by doin GFT day/night, and all other recency req in India by flying SE here as per new rules? Also do i need to give any tech paper for SE? is FRTOL req to do recency in India? pls help...
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Regarding the single engine endorsement on DGCA CPL,
the flowchart and the circular do not mention any skill test or record of ground training required from the foriegn country. nor does it mention the tech paper requirement for that aircraft here.
So if I am doing the skill tests for SE here, I dont need to do any skill tests on the same aircraft abroad and no certificate of ground training required. also, no Tech specific paper required to be cleared here for the aircraft here. Is this correct?
Also, If i have done my flying on DA-40 abroad but do the skill tests on Cessna 172 here, will there be any prob in getting the latter endorsed on indian CPL? will i need to do any recent flying on cessna 172 abroad or just come here and do the skill tests on 172 here and thats it?
the flowchart and the circular do not mention any skill test or record of ground training required from the foriegn country. nor does it mention the tech paper requirement for that aircraft here.
So if I am doing the skill tests for SE here, I dont need to do any skill tests on the same aircraft abroad and no certificate of ground training required. also, no Tech specific paper required to be cleared here for the aircraft here. Is this correct?
Also, If i have done my flying on DA-40 abroad but do the skill tests on Cessna 172 here, will there be any prob in getting the latter endorsed on indian CPL? will i need to do any recent flying on cessna 172 abroad or just come here and do the skill tests on 172 here and thats it?
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ok i have a few friends who say the following:
irresepctive of the april 01st deadline
they would go to the US for their flight recency somewhere around the 16th of march as they are in the middle of the US visa process (I-20 etc) and they would come back around the 1st week of april......give just the skill test which according to them is just 1 hour day check and 1 hour night check on a single engine...........and they r good to go
on the other hand one guy says he will get all his skill tests done and signed for by a FAA examiner,as DGCA would accept it then
wonder who is right
Is anyone going to delhi for the open house?.....we can throw these questions at them instead......anybody here?????
irresepctive of the april 01st deadline
they would go to the US for their flight recency somewhere around the 16th of march as they are in the middle of the US visa process (I-20 etc) and they would come back around the 1st week of april......give just the skill test which according to them is just 1 hour day check and 1 hour night check on a single engine...........and they r good to go
on the other hand one guy says he will get all his skill tests done and signed for by a FAA examiner,as DGCA would accept it then
wonder who is right
Is anyone going to delhi for the open house?.....we can throw these questions at them instead......anybody here?????
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i wish i can attend the open house but i am out of the country! somebody needs to go the open house and find out what they really want!
The new flowcharts also says the u should have cleared the papers in the last "30 months" but is'nt the papers supposed to be Valid for 5 years?
It also says u should'nt log PIC even if you have a PPL when u r flying dual but thats not the case with FAA!
Freaking dgca should be burnt to the ground!
The new flowcharts also says the u should have cleared the papers in the last "30 months" but is'nt the papers supposed to be Valid for 5 years?
It also says u should'nt log PIC even if you have a PPL when u r flying dual but thats not the case with FAA!
Freaking dgca should be burnt to the ground!
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Hey Guys,
I called up the Bombay Flying Club and spoke to a guy who manages the paperwork and documents, and he clearly stated, that if you want to fly all your skill tests in India you need to have your FRTOL and your SPL...........
Thank you DGCA ..........I Love You.............Please bring on new rules like these ......we all would love you even more............PROUD to be an INDIAN
I called up the Bombay Flying Club and spoke to a guy who manages the paperwork and documents, and he clearly stated, that if you want to fly all your skill tests in India you need to have your FRTOL and your SPL...........
Thank you DGCA ..........I Love You.............Please bring on new rules like these ......we all would love you even more............PROUD to be an INDIAN
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How come this bring these rules with so little notification! They should atleast give a few months time to enforce! 1 month notice? really
Guy lets bombard them with phone calls & attend the open house and get this thing sorted out!
Guy lets bombard them with phone calls & attend the open house and get this thing sorted out!
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I found this on face book on the UPWA page
All this information is courtesy Varun
To all fellow aviators...This is the latest update with reg. to the "TRAINING AND LICESING DIRECTORATE" and new flowchart that appeared on DGCA website on 21/02/2012, the below mentioned info is from V.P. Singh, licensing dept of DGCA. You can now safely disregard all my previous posts with reg. to the same.
HERE GOES,
-ALL TESTS VIZ., GFT DAY/NIGHT CHK, IR CHK, 120 NM NIGHT, 250 NM DAY MUST BE MANDATORILY CARRIED OUT IN INDIA IN AT LEAST ONE TYPE OF A/C
(SE OR ME) FOR WHICH ENDORSEMENT ON LICENSE IS REQUESTED. FOR "ME ONLY" ENDORSEMENTS ON DGCA LICENSE CHKS MUST BE DONE IN INDIA. THIS RULE IS WITH EFFECT FROM 1ST APRIL 2012 AND IS APPLICABLE TO ALL CANDITATES WHO WANT TO CONVERT THEIR FOREIGN LICENSES IRRESPECTIVE OF RECENCY.
-DGCA WANTS YOU TO FULFILL ONLY THE ABOVE MENTIONED SKILL CHKS IN INDIA ON AT LEAT ONE A/C TYPE. SO IF U INTEND TO DO ME RECENCY ABROAD, IT IS STILL PERMITTED, PROVIDED YOU UNDERGO SKILL CHKS ON SE BCK IN INDIA. SO THE CHOICE OF SELECTING A/C TYPE FOR DOING SKILL CHKS IN INDIA IS UP TO THE CANDITATE.
- THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS LIKE 15 HRS PIC WITHIN 6 MONTHS, 5 HRS NIGHT PIC, SIGNAL RECEPTION TEST REPORT WITHIN 6 MONTHS, CAN BE STILL DONE ABROAD IF YOU INTEND TO.
DGCA has introduced this new rule to curb fake logging overseas, and to prevent ppl from faking recency - V.P. Singh.
He further added that students must stop going abroad to do get CPL license from foreign countries and instead do it here in India. To make things even miserable DGCA have intentions to make conversion candidates to give technical paper on requested a/c type he added...!
To all fellow aviators...This is the latest update with reg. to the "TRAINING AND LICESING DIRECTORATE" and new flowchart that appeared on DGCA website on 21/02/2012, the below mentioned info is from V.P. Singh, licensing dept of DGCA. You can now safely disregard all my previous posts with reg. to the same.
HERE GOES,
-ALL TESTS VIZ., GFT DAY/NIGHT CHK, IR CHK, 120 NM NIGHT, 250 NM DAY MUST BE MANDATORILY CARRIED OUT IN INDIA IN AT LEAST ONE TYPE OF A/C
(SE OR ME) FOR WHICH ENDORSEMENT ON LICENSE IS REQUESTED. FOR "ME ONLY" ENDORSEMENTS ON DGCA LICENSE CHKS MUST BE DONE IN INDIA. THIS RULE IS WITH EFFECT FROM 1ST APRIL 2012 AND IS APPLICABLE TO ALL CANDITATES WHO WANT TO CONVERT THEIR FOREIGN LICENSES IRRESPECTIVE OF RECENCY.
-DGCA WANTS YOU TO FULFILL ONLY THE ABOVE MENTIONED SKILL CHKS IN INDIA ON AT LEAT ONE A/C TYPE. SO IF U INTEND TO DO ME RECENCY ABROAD, IT IS STILL PERMITTED, PROVIDED YOU UNDERGO SKILL CHKS ON SE BCK IN INDIA. SO THE CHOICE OF SELECTING A/C TYPE FOR DOING SKILL CHKS IN INDIA IS UP TO THE CANDITATE.
- THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS LIKE 15 HRS PIC WITHIN 6 MONTHS, 5 HRS NIGHT PIC, SIGNAL RECEPTION TEST REPORT WITHIN 6 MONTHS, CAN BE STILL DONE ABROAD IF YOU INTEND TO.
DGCA has introduced this new rule to curb fake logging overseas, and to prevent ppl from faking recency - V.P. Singh.
He further added that students must stop going abroad to do get CPL license from foreign countries and instead do it here in India. To make things even miserable DGCA have intentions to make conversion candidates to give technical paper on requested a/c type he added...!
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DGCA officials suspended for causing loss of Rs 190 cr
NEW DELHI: Three senior offcials from the DGCA - the country's aviation regulator- were suspended for issuing licences classifying 28 flying schools as charitable non-profit entities instead of fully commercial entities.
According to sources close to the ministry, Joint Director General A K Sharan and two other officials at the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) have been suspended and an FIR has been lodged against the erring flying clubs.
The wrong classification has caused a loss of Rs 190 crore to the Airports Authority of India (AAI). These clubs were registered under the charitable category paid a nominal fee of just 10% of the original fee they owed the government.
This nominal charge is only permitted for those that are registered as educational societies and run on no-profit no-loss basis, and not as profit-making entities. "The subsidised rates were extended to 28 flying clubs without proper examination," the source said.
This was reported in The Times of India, a sister publication of The Economic Times, in its edition dated February 28, 2012. "After a MLA made a complaint about certain flying clubs getting facilities of Category I or charitable flying clubs not fulfilling the required criteria, the Central Vigilance Commission (CVC) made an enquiry and submitted a report to the aviation ministry last month," a highly placed source said.
Based on the recommendations of the CVC, civil aviation minister Ajit Singh took the requisite action against the people involved, the source added.
While, the CVC has called this a case of criminal conspiracy between the DGCA officials and the erring flying clubs, the AAI has been asked to recover its dues of Rs 190 crore by the end of this month.
Last year in October, DGCA's audit of the 40 flying schools of the country revealed that almost all of them were flouting safety norms and were issued notices to comply with rules or else face a shut down.
False logging of flying hours, violation of standard operating procedures and lack of infrastructure were the two main discrepancies that surfaced in this audit
DGCA officials suspended for causing loss of Rs 190 cr - The Economic Times
According to sources close to the ministry, Joint Director General A K Sharan and two other officials at the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) have been suspended and an FIR has been lodged against the erring flying clubs.
The wrong classification has caused a loss of Rs 190 crore to the Airports Authority of India (AAI). These clubs were registered under the charitable category paid a nominal fee of just 10% of the original fee they owed the government.
This nominal charge is only permitted for those that are registered as educational societies and run on no-profit no-loss basis, and not as profit-making entities. "The subsidised rates were extended to 28 flying clubs without proper examination," the source said.
This was reported in The Times of India, a sister publication of The Economic Times, in its edition dated February 28, 2012. "After a MLA made a complaint about certain flying clubs getting facilities of Category I or charitable flying clubs not fulfilling the required criteria, the Central Vigilance Commission (CVC) made an enquiry and submitted a report to the aviation ministry last month," a highly placed source said.
Based on the recommendations of the CVC, civil aviation minister Ajit Singh took the requisite action against the people involved, the source added.
While, the CVC has called this a case of criminal conspiracy between the DGCA officials and the erring flying clubs, the AAI has been asked to recover its dues of Rs 190 crore by the end of this month.
Last year in October, DGCA's audit of the 40 flying schools of the country revealed that almost all of them were flouting safety norms and were issued notices to comply with rules or else face a shut down.
False logging of flying hours, violation of standard operating procedures and lack of infrastructure were the two main discrepancies that surfaced in this audit
DGCA officials suspended for causing loss of Rs 190 cr - The Economic Times
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DGCA has introduced this new rule to curb fake logging overseas, and to prevent ppl from faking recency - V.P. Singh.
DGCA has introduced this new rule to curb fake logging overseas, and to prevent ppl from faking recency - V.P. Singh.
This was reported in The Times of India, a sister publication of The Economic Times, in its edition dated February 28, 2012.
Last year in October, DGCA's audit of the 40 flying schools of the country revealed that almost all of them were flouting safety norms and were issued notices to comply with rules or else face a shut down.
False logging of flying hours, violation of standard operating procedures and lack of infrastructure were the two main discrepancies that surfaced in this audit
Last year in October, DGCA's audit of the 40 flying schools of the country revealed that almost all of them were flouting safety norms and were issued notices to comply with rules or else face a shut down.
False logging of flying hours, violation of standard operating procedures and lack of infrastructure were the two main discrepancies that surfaced in this audit
DGCA and HUMOR at its best.
Bad times ahead
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hi, i really need help! i have my faa multi engine instrument cpl, i.e i have given my commercial checkride in PA-34-200! so now what all do i have to do in an indian flying club in order to convert my licence! do i need to all the 6-mth requirements in both ME and SE? or any one type of a/c is ok? also in the flow chart it is mentioned for multi endorsement, we need technical pass result along with ground certificate, from where do we get that? do i need to give technical specific paper in india?
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reg. SE rating (C 172) on DGCA license with FAA CPL ME(only)!!!
@cyrilroy21 - Cyril, I hold FAA CPL Multi engine license (only) +IR from U.S.A. I do not hold Single Engine commercial. Now i want to give checks in C 172 along with recency in India (as per new rule) and get initial DGCA CPL on C172 only. I do not want Multi engine on DGCA CPL as i have flown Beech Duchess in U.S.A, which is now not recognised in India.
My flying experience is as follows:
C 172 - 200 hrs (have done PPL, IR, hour building on C 172)
Beech Duchess (BE 76) - 25 hrs (holding CPL Multi engine license FAA, U.S.A)
Pls let me know if it is possible by flying C 172 in India, doing all the checks and recency in C 172 and get DGCA CPL+IR with C 172 rating only?
My flying experience is as follows:
C 172 - 200 hrs (have done PPL, IR, hour building on C 172)
Beech Duchess (BE 76) - 25 hrs (holding CPL Multi engine license FAA, U.S.A)
Pls let me know if it is possible by flying C 172 in India, doing all the checks and recency in C 172 and get DGCA CPL+IR with C 172 rating only?
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Hey everyone! Just stumbled upon this forum while trying to make sense of the new DGCA rules on Google Things just keep getting better for Indian pilots! Sorry for the long post, but I'd appreciate any help.
I had a talk (if you can call it that) with A. K. Bharadwaj of the licensing dept. Apart from being extremely rude, what he said was it was better if I did all my recency and time building here in India, otherwise getting my license was doubtful! Talk about being extreme! Not one person is helpful and to top it off they treat you as though you were there to ask THEM money for YOUR training! So I was hoping someone here could help me out.
I take it that it would be safer to do my recency and time building (about 35 hours X-Country) here in India? Also, I have a FAA CPL ME license (ME on the Duchess). As cyril has explained in a very helpful and straigtforward manner, it would mean I would have to get all my skill tests done on the PA34, right? The remaining 5 hours IR time and night time can be done on the 172?
I had a word with the captain at Chimes Aviation and he confirmed that I would have to have a FRTOL and a SPL to fly in India AND I also have to give a technical paper for the Seneca. Kudos to DGCA to mess the whole situation up
Things just keep getting better for Indian pilots! Sorry for the long post, but I'd appreciate any help.I had a talk (if you can call it that) with A. K. Bharadwaj of the licensing dept. Apart from being extremely rude, what he said was it was better if I did all my recency and time building here in India, otherwise getting my license was doubtful! Talk about being extreme! Not one person is helpful and to top it off they treat you as though you were there to ask THEM money for YOUR training! So I was hoping someone here could help me out.
I take it that it would be safer to do my recency and time building (about 35 hours X-Country) here in India? Also, I have a FAA CPL ME license (ME on the Duchess). As cyril has explained in a very helpful and straigtforward manner, it would mean I would have to get all my skill tests done on the PA34, right? The remaining 5 hours IR time and night time can be done on the 172?
I had a word with the captain at Chimes Aviation and he confirmed that I would have to have a FRTOL and a SPL to fly in India AND I also have to give a technical paper for the Seneca. Kudos to DGCA to mess the whole situation up
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Is it necessary to do recency in India from now on , the circular is so badly drafted that am left wondering as to what does dgca really wants.
I have a CPL ME on PA 34 + IR (only) from USA and what i have planned is as follows :
1. Go to US (have to go as recency is due), get the single commercial on Cessna 152 or 172 so that am eligible on opting for one skill test in India if commercial is endorsed on two aircrafts - i think it would be economical as well as easy to find a cessna here compared to PA 34.
2. Do all my recency from USA only as even my recency is due now - i cant seem to understand why getting a license would be impossible if recency is done abroad as dgca officials are saying.
3. If not - then i need to give the multi engine skill test here in India as well as do my recency here - dont know what flight schools charge here so no clue as to what would be a viable option.
This way i can save the single commercial training cost + trip expense to USA.
What to do?
, the circular is so badly drafted that am left wondering as to what does dgca really wants.I have a CPL ME on PA 34 + IR (only) from USA and what i have planned is as follows :
1. Go to US (have to go as recency is due), get the single commercial on Cessna 152 or 172 so that am eligible on opting for one skill test in India if commercial is endorsed on two aircrafts - i think it would be economical as well as easy to find a cessna here compared to PA 34.
2. Do all my recency from USA only as even my recency is due now - i cant seem to understand why getting a license would be impossible if recency is done abroad as dgca officials are saying.
3. If not - then i need to give the multi engine skill test here in India as well as do my recency here - dont know what flight schools charge here so no clue as to what would be a viable option.
This way i can save the single commercial training cost + trip expense to USA.
What to do?
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I might be wrong, but since you have your CPL ME rating on the PA34, its better you just get your skill tests done on it right here in India. Chimes charges around 30k/hour! But as you mentioned, you do save on travel and other expenses. Not to mention, its relatively 'safer' to get your recency done in India given the current state of affairs in DGCA
I might be wrong, but since you have your CPL ME rating on the PA34, its better you just get your skill tests done on it right here in India. Chimes charges around 30k/hour! But as you mentioned, you do save on travel and other expenses. Not to mention, its relatively 'safer' to get your recency done in India given the current state of affairs in DGCA
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even i have the same query! even i have an faa multi commercial on a PA-34-200! so what i am assuming is that i need to do all the x-ctry checks and gft tests in a pa-34-200, so that i get a multi engine cpl, right? all these hours would add upto 10 hours PIC, so we are left with another 5 hours PIC time, which we can do in india as well! luckily i have both spl and frtol! but from where do we get technical pass result from? acc to me, if we have done training from abroad, why do we need to give technical specific exam?