Skill Test in India before Conversion of Licence
 

Laughable

1. DGCA questioning the authenticity and integrity of flight training abroad, Pot meet kettle.

2. Opens up a new avenue for flying clubs and the babus here to milk more money from the unfortunate.(This used to be done before the fictitious shortage at the beginning of the boom)

Although the Idea itself is commendable but just will not work like they way it should, here in India.

Hello,
There are some questions in my mind regarding this notice just put up by the DGCA, hope to get a answer back soon.
1.what is this test all about?Is it a practical, oral or written?
2.are we suppose to do it from the same flight school abroad from where CPL and IR was issued or it has to be done in india only?
3.what is this test all about? i mean what might be the syllabus?
4.If it can be done in the US and duly signed by an FAA inspector will that be good enough...?

Thanks a ton in advance.
God bless.!

NO TXT SPK - THNX

HWB

I kind of like saw this coming . All the DGCA officers hinted that this would be made the rule soon all thanks to the FAKE PILOT SCAM :ugh:

Not much of a difference than the old conversion chart .

The primary difference is if you want two types of aircraft ( multi and single ) endorsed on your license atleast one of the aircraft skill checks must be done in India

In Appendix I
(A) Applicants must obtain from foreign for submission along with application

If you look at item number 8 it states that the skill checks can be done abroad .

(B) Applicants need to do in India before submission of application:-

Item number 1 states that Single Engine skill checks has to be done in India .

It also states that if you only want Multi then the skill checks have to be done in India since you are only endorsing one single type of aircraft on your license .

@Intruder101
The multi skill checks and other PIC requirement can be done abroad but single engine skill checks have to be done in India . Contact a flying school ask them about the syllabus and other requirements .

I am guessing you will also need to hold an FRTOL and Student Pilot license prior to doing any recency flying in India


:ugh::ugh::ugh:

ATPL license conversion chart
 

@cyrilroy21, could you post the link forthe ATPL license conversion chart from an ICAO state (FAA)?
How much different is it from the current one to convert to the Indian CPL?

Thanks :)

The DGCA has not exactly published a Flow chart for ATPL

However you can use the application form as a checklist

http://www.dgca.nic.in/forms/crew-d/atpl_aR.pdf

I think the skill check requirement to be done in India will be applicable to ATPL and PPL conversion applicants .

@cyril

I have noticed that you have a keen eye for detail and are always willing to help out on any querries regarding the DGCA.

I have gone through the flowchart and I have one or two main querries.

I have been trying to get Mr Vashist on the phone but no one's answering.

Lets see if we can work out an understanding here on this forum.

here goes....

If I want a single engine endorsement on indian CPL, then the flowchart does not mention any skill test/general test/cross country test to be done abroad but I will need to do them here in india. am i right so far?

Next, if I want only multi endorsement on the Indian CPL, I still have to do the Day test, night test, IR check on the multi at my foriegn school on the DGCA format (as per point no. 8 of the first box, Part A) . Now these day/night test are general test and not skill test correct?
However the last line of point 1 of Part B (second Box) says that the skill test will be carried out in India for multi endorsement. Which test are these? are they diff from the day test/nigh test/ir check mentioned above in part A, point no. 8? do I have to repeat those in india?
What about the cross country checks by day and night? will i need to them in india or abroad if I want only multi on indian CPL because i wont do them abroad as they are not mentioned in part A and I wont do them in india as I am only asking for multi on indian CPL and for that it only says i need multi skill tests here..

So to summarise, I will be getting a multi+IFR from abroad and will want only Multi+IFR here, not single or single+IFR. What do i need to do there and what do i need to do here in terms of flying/skill test?

On a related note, what is the difference between general flight tests by day and night Versus day and night skill test? I cant find the various forms for them on the DGCA site .only found CA 40 for general flight test. which forms are to be used for skill checks and cross country checks?

would be grateful to anyone who can clarify these for me.

The Day , Night and IR check are the skill checks / tests . Form CA 40 B is used for the multi aircraft .

In case CPL is requested only on Multi engine aircraft then skill tests on
the said type will be carried out in India

It has now been decided by the Competent Authority that all applications for issue
of Indian CPL will be accompanied with skill test reports on at least one aircraft type
required to be endorsed on the Indian licence in accordance with para 4 of the said CAR.

As you can see its clearly mentioned .

If you are getting both multi and single
Then Single to be done in India , Multi can be done abroad

If you are getting only Multi
Then Multi has to be done in India.
But then you will need to do the 1 hr day check ( skill test ) , 1 hr night check , 1 IR check
but also the 250nm VFR XC ( this is also a flying test )by and 120nm VFR XC ( also a flying test) by night also has to be done on multi .

Even though the flow chart does not mention it it clearly states in Schedule II
of the aircraft rules that XC test must be done on every aircraft that you want endorsed on your license ( sometimes the licensing officer skips this rule if you do xc checks on the single sometimes they enforce it for both multi and single , better to be on the safe side )

this is as ridiculous at it can get :ugh: i'm just glad i got my license before this came into effect and i pity the ones who haven't, i just wish this rule can be overturned in due course of time

"If you are getting both multi and single
Then Single to be done in India , Multi can be done abroad

If you are getting only Multi
Then Multi has to be done in India.
But then you will need to do the 1 hr day check ( skill test ) , 1 hr night check , 1 IR check
but also the 250nm VFR XC ( this is also a flying test )by and 120nm VFR XC ( also a flying test) by night also has to be done on multi ."

I see what you mean and you do make a lot of sense.

If I understand you correctly,
If I want CPL with Multi Endorsement only, I will need to do all these tests here on the said multi engine a/c and no tests on the single engine?
Do i need to do the tests twice for multi (day, night, IR)?
or do I skip them abroad if i'm going to do them here anyways?
What about the cross country tests on multi then, since i will need these too as per this interpretation?
which ones do I do abroad and which ones here.
Why do they need these tests there anyways if they are going to do them here.
These tests are not part of the Multi and IFR syllabus there and will be extra flights which will cost money.
Im sorry to keep going on about this but I just wanna make sure the rules dont force me to duplicate flights and want to be clear what has to be done abroad and what needs to done here.

@cyrilroy
 

i dont think an SPL and FRTOL will be required because its going to be a dual check. Maybe if we are flying solo in India we need one, but thats not the case here

@stiknruddr

Whenever I say Flying tests / Skill Check It means the following
1hr day check
1hr night check
1hr IR check
250nm VFR XC by day
120nm VFR XC by night


You dont have to do those tests twice . IF you only want CPL multi then the tests HAVE TO BE DONE IN INDIA .
You can do them abroad if you want but they wont recognize it . However you will need to be multi endorsed with IR on multi on your foreign license .



If you want both Single and Multi
SINGLE FLYING TESTS HAS TO BE DONE IN INDIA
Multi can be done abroad .

@Kingmaker
The Flying tests / checks are logged as PIC . They expect you to act as PIC and part of the test means operating the aircraft radio .

I not exactly sure about the SPL part but I am quite sure you need an FRTOL
I guess its best to confirm with one of the flying schools

Indian Skill Test...
 

'Indian Skill Test'. Oxymoron. This country's aviation is an international joke and disaster.

The DGCA Skill Test is: 'How skillfully can one slip a few thousand rupees into the palm of the TRE (who also bought his license), 24, 000 hours, endorsements on 10 high performance jets and has been actively working in aviation (so he says) for 40 years and he is only 35 years old...something doesn't add up.

ICAO needs to get tough with this lot. Soon!

Cyril,

Thanks for the analysis, I am quite clear about it now.

Regarding the SPL and FRTOL, even DGCA is not clear about that yet.
I managed to speak to the erstwhile dy. director of licensing who has now shifted to a diff department.
He was one of the people who drafted this note last year and he explained it much the same way cyril has above.
When i asked him about the SPL and FRTOL reqt, he wasnt sure about it and said he hadnt foreseen that when the note was drafted. I guess they will come up with a work around for it by april or worst case, we end getting them for the skill tests.

Only 29/43 Flying Schools / Clubs are Functional In India :hmm:

List of Flying Clubs

Please do your research thoroughly before you pay any money upfront to any flying school .

One Simple Solution: DO YOUR RECENCY FROM INDIA........i know it takes time but it saves you all the trouble......:ok::ok::ok::ok:

"Skill test" in Indian aviation ! I could die laughing !!

As someone above rightly said, the only real "skill" needed in India to get a flying license is to be able to pass on some wads of currency notes and a couple of bottles of scotch whiskey to that scumbag of an officer in the DGCA in New Delhi.

more queries
 

Hey guys, just saw the amendments on the DGCA website and its got me worried :\.
1) First question, when are these amendments effective from?
2) And also, I have an NZ CPL and am in the process of doing my Multi and Instrument hours. My Dilemma is I intend to do the 40 hrs that DGCA requires, however, NZ doesn't endorse the IR on my CPL till I have sat for their IR exams (written and practical). Does that mean the skill test that is issued for the 40 hours in rendered invalid and would I have to then do an IR skill test/check flight in India. If that be so, can I do my single engine and IR skill test on the same aircraft and at the same time?
3) Lastly, does my application need to be accompanied with an AADHAR/UID number if I submit it before 1st of April?
Thanks heaps guys :)

I tried a lot of people, including those sitting in the DGCA office, and I swear to god, I still cannot comprehend how the organization runs when nobody seems to have any idea about anything. Oh and the phones are either never connected or picked up, and if they are, they redirect you back to the first chap, who doesn't even know what his name is!!! Folks you gotta help me out here!