Why I turned down Cathay Pacific (SO Transition)
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...and this is the type of crew that Cathay relies on....Frightening! I wonder what level of education they have, probably high school.
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Cpt. Underpants has been providing useful, respectful content to this board for years. Airgent, you are no gent. You come off as a disrespectful brat.
I was hired as a DESO in 2008. I ended up in a pool, and was finally offered a class in 2010 under the new terms. The recruiter who called and explained the new offer sounded embarrassed.
But you know better, don't you?
Oh, and I passed on the offer.
I was hired as a DESO in 2008. I ended up in a pool, and was finally offered a class in 2010 under the new terms. The recruiter who called and explained the new offer sounded embarrassed.
But you know better, don't you?
Oh, and I passed on the offer.
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@jriv. I'm not disputing your statement, it's just that respect will get respect back. A senior guy should know better how to respond, gotta lose the attitude. Foul language is unwarranted and I'd use it on someone who's careless to use it on me first.
Airgent,
I hate to tell you this but I'll try in the most diplomatic way I can.....You, are at the bottom of the aviation food chain and if you expect to be respected by guys who've been flying aircraft since before you were probably born, you are in for a rude awakening.
Respect in this industry, has to be earnt by those who are starting out. You can increase your chances of being respected quicker, by listening to guys like Undie and having the maturity to realise that they have been around avaition and CX long enough to know, that guys accepting the I-Cadet deal, are being taken advantage of by CX. They're being brutally honest in the vain hope you might actually realise that if you believe CX, you may very well, be up the proverbial creek, financially.
Don't behave like a spoilt gen Y brat.
Oh, and just so you know, there are CX STC's that will end up doing your checks, that have posted in this thread. The very guys that your job will depend on. You might want to stop insulting people......just sayin'.
I hate to tell you this but I'll try in the most diplomatic way I can.....You, are at the bottom of the aviation food chain and if you expect to be respected by guys who've been flying aircraft since before you were probably born, you are in for a rude awakening.
Respect in this industry, has to be earnt by those who are starting out. You can increase your chances of being respected quicker, by listening to guys like Undie and having the maturity to realise that they have been around avaition and CX long enough to know, that guys accepting the I-Cadet deal, are being taken advantage of by CX. They're being brutally honest in the vain hope you might actually realise that if you believe CX, you may very well, be up the proverbial creek, financially.
Don't behave like a spoilt gen Y brat.
Oh, and just so you know, there are CX STC's that will end up doing your checks, that have posted in this thread. The very guys that your job will depend on. You might want to stop insulting people......just sayin'.
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Airkid.... You're right in some ways. This is the standard of applicant CX seek:
because experience, credentials let alone 1 single hour of flight training is not needed. What you endorse, support and subscribe to by hoping to join CX under such circumstances speaks volumes of your own standards, not those of others.
If it weren't for those turning down the offer (i.e. those with thousands of hours of experience as Capt and FO in GA, regional, international ops in piston, turbine and jet aircraft) then you and cohorts would be chasing something else fast and easy without the need for credentials or experience. And, if you do have such experience, then more the shame you. In fact it took this iCadetship for so many of these "passionate" wannabe aviators to even try to be a pilot. Such "passion" didn't exist before the standards for applicants was so low.
People in the know tell you and others the truths. But you deem all that experience and knowledge as below your own naive, selfish and ignorant wants.
If selected you're not the best of the best but the cheapest option. Nothing more, nothing less.
I wonder what level of education they have, probably high school
If it weren't for those turning down the offer (i.e. those with thousands of hours of experience as Capt and FO in GA, regional, international ops in piston, turbine and jet aircraft) then you and cohorts would be chasing something else fast and easy without the need for credentials or experience. And, if you do have such experience, then more the shame you. In fact it took this iCadetship for so many of these "passionate" wannabe aviators to even try to be a pilot. Such "passion" didn't exist before the standards for applicants was so low.
People in the know tell you and others the truths. But you deem all that experience and knowledge as below your own naive, selfish and ignorant wants.
If selected you're not the best of the best but the cheapest option. Nothing more, nothing less.
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@Kenny. You know what's so funny about online discussion? many people assume many things. Just because I ask for advice doesn't require me to lower my standards, or let someone out there treat me in a disrespectful way. We probably come from different background, but as you said respect is earned. That's fair however respect comes both ways, it's not a one way street. Another thing is, how do you know if I'm a cadet, how do you know that I have zero time in aviation? think about it for a second, I may have way more time on the yoke then you do. You don't know that! I don't and won't reveal my aviation background in here (maybe not quite yet), I'm here because I'm looking at the prospects of probably joining CX but I'm not sure, so I come here to you guys see if you could help. What good is there if those who volunteer to provide answers act themselves like kids? just saying...Regardless, there are good people in here willing to provide info in a polite way, I appreciate that. I understand no one is required to answer any question in here but should anyone volunteer please do it in a professional way after all most of you are pilots and expected to act as professionals. Isn't it what seniors strive to be like? like role models?
Thanks for your "diplomacy" but you've got to look at things outside the box sometimes not just in your own perspective. Good day!
Thanks for your "diplomacy" but you've got to look at things outside the box sometimes not just in your own perspective. Good day!
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@ChinaBeached....I always considered CX as a high class world airline but if CX is only looking for such applicants (no disrespect to anyone), it may not be for me. It tells a lot about the workplace in general.
Here is a question for you? Why is CX looking for SO? is it a requirement from the HK civil authority or just another way to slowly weed out pilots on scale A and B? I mean hire cheap labor to replace those who are there already?
Here is a question for you? Why is CX looking for SO? is it a requirement from the HK civil authority or just another way to slowly weed out pilots on scale A and B? I mean hire cheap labor to replace those who are there already?
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Airgent,
Not that I think that you are going to get this in any way shape or form but I’ll humour you, for now….
Why have I and many others made various assumptions about you and your situation? Simple really; you accept that respect is earned but then state that it’s a two way street. Actually, in a company like CX, it’s not. If you join as an I-Cadet, you and only you will have everything to prove. You will be judged from day one on your attitude, how you interact with your peers and those senior to you, what you say and how you say it. Given that you don’t realize that, it shows that either there’s a lack of maturity or a lack of experience within aviation.
CX is not a “touchy-feely” airline, they’re not going to hold your hand and give you a kleenex, when you have a bad day and screw up in the sim or on the line. They will expect you to do your job to their standards and nothing less. Why? Because that’s the way they’ve been doing it for the last 60 odd years and it’s worked for them. The culture at CX and pretty much all the other “Colonial” airlines is probably the main thing most pilots from the US, struggle with at first.
Continuing on with why I made the assumptions I have; you ask how I can be sure you don’t have more experience or flight time than I do? Well, if you have 13 years as a commercial pilot, 9000 hours and 2000 in the left seat of a jet, then I guess you do but the only question I have is….why the hell would you be looking at the CX I-Cadet program? Given that I don’t think anyone in my position would consider the current entry options to CX, that would leave 2 main options; Either you’re an RJ/TP FO or you’re probably at Riddle. And that, God help us, would explain everything!
I’ll tell you what I find amusing about online discussions….That younger posters, who don’t know about a time when Facebook, Twitter or even the internet existed, can’t seem to resist the urge or temptation to put everything on the internet for the whole world to see. It’s not that difficult to work out who you are if you ever make it to an interview, especially if you’ve told the very people that might interview you, that they’re a moron. I’m not kidding, by the way. Also, you do understand that the CX recruitment team look at these pages? What do you think they’d make of your posts?
You’re right though, there is a wealth of information here from guys who know CX inside out but there are those who seem to be unable to accept being told the truth and act like petulant little children, when told something that doesn’t agree with what they conned themselves into thinking, just to justify accepting such poor terms and conditions.
I’ll leave you with this…Dan B wasn’t attacking you and CB hit the nail squarely on the head. You are not the best of the best but very much the cheapest option. Why would anyone want to join a company that so cynically values them so poorly?
Not that I think that you are going to get this in any way shape or form but I’ll humour you, for now….
Why have I and many others made various assumptions about you and your situation? Simple really; you accept that respect is earned but then state that it’s a two way street. Actually, in a company like CX, it’s not. If you join as an I-Cadet, you and only you will have everything to prove. You will be judged from day one on your attitude, how you interact with your peers and those senior to you, what you say and how you say it. Given that you don’t realize that, it shows that either there’s a lack of maturity or a lack of experience within aviation.
CX is not a “touchy-feely” airline, they’re not going to hold your hand and give you a kleenex, when you have a bad day and screw up in the sim or on the line. They will expect you to do your job to their standards and nothing less. Why? Because that’s the way they’ve been doing it for the last 60 odd years and it’s worked for them. The culture at CX and pretty much all the other “Colonial” airlines is probably the main thing most pilots from the US, struggle with at first.
Continuing on with why I made the assumptions I have; you ask how I can be sure you don’t have more experience or flight time than I do? Well, if you have 13 years as a commercial pilot, 9000 hours and 2000 in the left seat of a jet, then I guess you do but the only question I have is….why the hell would you be looking at the CX I-Cadet program? Given that I don’t think anyone in my position would consider the current entry options to CX, that would leave 2 main options; Either you’re an RJ/TP FO or you’re probably at Riddle. And that, God help us, would explain everything!
I’ll tell you what I find amusing about online discussions….That younger posters, who don’t know about a time when Facebook, Twitter or even the internet existed, can’t seem to resist the urge or temptation to put everything on the internet for the whole world to see. It’s not that difficult to work out who you are if you ever make it to an interview, especially if you’ve told the very people that might interview you, that they’re a moron. I’m not kidding, by the way. Also, you do understand that the CX recruitment team look at these pages? What do you think they’d make of your posts?
You’re right though, there is a wealth of information here from guys who know CX inside out but there are those who seem to be unable to accept being told the truth and act like petulant little children, when told something that doesn’t agree with what they conned themselves into thinking, just to justify accepting such poor terms and conditions.
I’ll leave you with this…Dan B wasn’t attacking you and CB hit the nail squarely on the head. You are not the best of the best but very much the cheapest option. Why would anyone want to join a company that so cynically values them so poorly?
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@Kenny...allow me to say that you may be confusing professional respect and internet etiquette, the two don't mingle. You have your opinion on this, I respect it and I have mine. Like I said before, I will treat you the same way you treat me.Of course I know in the airline industry, there is a chain of command, the Capt get the utmost respect, usually "unchallenged" except in rare situations.
Furthermore, CX in the past, was accepting applications for both FO and SO, so I applied for FO position but was offered interview for SO position recently. Don't just assume I wanna be a SO or I'm a RJ FO/ Riddle or Gen Y, so much for profiling. I want you not to err (on the wrong side of this) based on your online experience, once in a while you come across someone different. You can believe whatever you'd like, I know what I am.
See if I was that stupid, as you're insinuating, I could have just taken the deal right away but I'm looking for info to make a sound decision; this is what brought me here to begin with but I started regretting my decision to seek info on this forum due to certain people's attitudes. 'Tell you what, even if CX offered A Scale to new hires, I'd think twice before joining if that's the type of people I'd work with. I have experience to know there are better companies out there!
Furthermore, CX in the past, was accepting applications for both FO and SO, so I applied for FO position but was offered interview for SO position recently. Don't just assume I wanna be a SO or I'm a RJ FO/ Riddle or Gen Y, so much for profiling. I want you not to err (on the wrong side of this) based on your online experience, once in a while you come across someone different. You can believe whatever you'd like, I know what I am.
See if I was that stupid, as you're insinuating, I could have just taken the deal right away but I'm looking for info to make a sound decision; this is what brought me here to begin with but I started regretting my decision to seek info on this forum due to certain people's attitudes. 'Tell you what, even if CX offered A Scale to new hires, I'd think twice before joining if that's the type of people I'd work with. I have experience to know there are better companies out there!
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I cannot understand why some people are so keen to go and work for a company that has so much ill feeling and negativity surrounding it.
Having been through the selection process I can tell you that a more oppresive and intimidating company I could not wish to work for.
Regards,
VFE.
Having been through the selection process I can tell you that a more oppresive and intimidating company I could not wish to work for.
Regards,
VFE.
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Gotta love Gen Y
I really feel for CX Capts/FO's if this is the mental maturity of the SO's/iCadets you'll be flying with.
Cpt. Underpants wrote
but then went on to answer the question.
airgent who later carries on about
immediately replies with
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And then wonders why several posters are giving him attitude.
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Mate, most people (on Prune and face-to-face) are mirrors. Maybe people on this forum are giving you 'attitude' because they're reflecting yours back onto yourself.
DIVOSH!
Cpt. Underpants wrote
I don't remember signing up to be your biatch, and don't feel obligated to respond to your demands
airgent who later carries on about
internet etiquette
oh shut up you moron
And then wonders why several posters are giving him attitude.
this is what brought me here to begin with but I started regretting my decision to seek info on this forum due to certain people's attitudes.
Mate, most people (on Prune and face-to-face) are mirrors. Maybe people on this forum are giving you 'attitude' because they're reflecting yours back onto yourself.
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LOL!
airgent
You crack me up mate!
Five minute reply last time and around three minutes for this one. In between posts, I've walked both my dogs and enjoyed the very narrow window of good weather here in Melbourne today!
I've got plenty of time for Prune 
But I'm not the one asking for information about CX and then abusing people who reply.
Ask yourself this: After your display on this thread, why would anyone bother trying to help you?
You crack me up mate!
Five minute reply last time and around three minutes for this one. In between posts, I've walked both my dogs and enjoyed the very narrow window of good weather here in Melbourne today!
I've got plenty of time for Prune But I'm not the one asking for information about CX and then abusing people who reply.
Ask yourself this: After your display on this thread, why would anyone bother trying to help you?
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@Di_Vosh...Haven't you realized it yet that I don't care if you try to persuade me of your good will to provide advice? Low IQ perhaps? 'Thought CX has methods in place to weed out such people hummm. Your time is up already, who's next?
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ROFLMAO!
G'day again airgent
It was pretty obvious that you didn't care for my advice. However, my last post wasn't for your benefit.
Way off the mark there, sunshine! I've never applied to CX and never will. The reasons for that should be obvious. Pity you can't take your own advice about assuming things about other people.
Keep it coming.
@Di_Vosh...Haven't you realized it yet that I don't care if you try to persuade me of your good will to provide advice?
'Thought CX has methods in place to weed out such people hummm.
Keep it coming.
