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Hi,
Wanna know when you guys did ur medical? I have a few friends from my batch who are still waiting for our medical results... It is taking like 2 weeks already... so wanna noe when you guys did urs
Wanna know when you guys did ur medical? I have a few friends from my batch who are still waiting for our medical results... It is taking like 2 weeks already... so wanna noe when you guys did urs
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Aug OBS
Rain84: I did my medical on the 12th of June with 2 other guys. All 3 of us got in, but the last one got his confirmation only today...and he found out he is the last entry in, according to him.
Randomx, sL_ilovetofly: Do you mind if you guys P.M me? I am compiling a list (particulars) and email loop for the guys going for the Aug OBS. Look forward to see you guys.
Randomx, sL_ilovetofly: Do you mind if you guys P.M me? I am compiling a list (particulars) and email loop for the guys going for the Aug OBS. Look forward to see you guys.
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rain84: Sorry I made a mistake. My friend who got in meant he was the last one of our medical lot to get in...
So it means there might be some more intake for this batch! Don't despair...normally that long a wait means they are trying to slot you in...which is good news right?
So it means there might be some more intake for this batch! Don't despair...normally that long a wait means they are trying to slot you in...which is good news right?
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Hey @rain84, I think you don't need to worry for now... Judging by the experience of ppl in this forum, the waiting time ranges from 6 weeks to 4 months. So keep your hopes up and keep waiting. As long you don't get a rejection, there's still hope.
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Greetings guys,
What can I say, I have nothing useful to contribute to existing cadet pilot applicants but questions.
But what I will say is my tremendous appreciation for the amount of invaluable feedback and tips that previous and existing applicants and SQ pilots have contributed to potential applicants.
Having read and re-read all 79 pages of this thread spanning several years, I would like to request for advice from successful SQ candidates or Pilots on my chances of HR department accepting my application for Cadet pilot.
I have recently just completed my masters degree in international business and hold bachelor of commerce with double major.
I will be turning 26 in slightly over 1 year. Like what most existing SQ pilots and candidates have mentioned, I will hold off applying for now due to the economic crisis as well as giving myself the chance to improve myself in all aspects for this 1 year or so duration.
As I study abroad in Perth, I did not take physics during my highschool days and hence do not meet the minimum requirements.
Is there any possibility of applying for SQ if I were to obtain an O' Level cert in Singapore whilst weathering through this economic crisis ?
I have been a keen aviator since I could walk. I took up flying when I was 14 yrs of age studying abroad. I flew solo at 15 and obtained GFPT at 17 which is CAAS's equivalent PPL-R.
During my NS days, I decided to try applying for RSAF pilot and went through several tests just to see how far I could go with the assumption that RSAF's test should be more stringent than SQ.
I'll admit I am no fighter pilot material. Apart from flying, I was clueless just about the avionics systems on board the fighter jets we have. I have neither the personality or attributes of a fighter pilot.
I have been through the medical test at ST Aeromedical centre as well as about a 4 hours computer test at CMPB which surprisingly is about 90% identical to what one of the member has described. I was not aware RSAF and SQ applicants utilise the same test till today.
I passed both medical and computer test but anticipate to be dropped out during interview which of cause I did.
Having flown for a short duration of time at what used to be Singapore Flying Club (SIA) and now Seletar Flying Club, I was given the opportunity of a life time to fly the B777 simulator at STC which I still remember vividly every single detail of that morning session.
My main concern is not meeting the minimum requirements set by SIA. I also intend to pursue CPL in Perth even though it is not recognised by CAAS, which I can only hope would show the interviewers, my passion for flying.
I would greatly appreciate any feedbacks offered.
To all previously unsuccessful applicants, please do not be disheartened.
I sincerely hope you guys would persevere to the end. If nothing comes out of it, take plight in knowing you have put forth your best effort for passion of flying and that is all you need to know.
In addition for aspiring pilots, like what others have said, please do try out the B738 Simulator at Flight Experience Singapore. ---> Flight Experience - Flight Simulators - Take the ride of your life on our Flight Simulator
Here's a video of my session to give you a rough idea. YouTube - Flight Experience Singapore (Part 1)
Rest assure the staff won't force you to do an engine failure on take off. Your "Co-Pilot" is very friendly and helpful and is more than willing to take you through the instruments onboard the simulator.
I just did mine last week and it is simply amazing. The simulator is very authentic. Apart from not having a motion platform, I believe this simulator will give you a bit more perspective on the operations of an airliner. Also bearing in mind the operational tempo in a real life flight is about 10 times busier than what is shown.
What can I say, I have nothing useful to contribute to existing cadet pilot applicants but questions.
But what I will say is my tremendous appreciation for the amount of invaluable feedback and tips that previous and existing applicants and SQ pilots have contributed to potential applicants.
Having read and re-read all 79 pages of this thread spanning several years, I would like to request for advice from successful SQ candidates or Pilots on my chances of HR department accepting my application for Cadet pilot.
I have recently just completed my masters degree in international business and hold bachelor of commerce with double major.
I will be turning 26 in slightly over 1 year. Like what most existing SQ pilots and candidates have mentioned, I will hold off applying for now due to the economic crisis as well as giving myself the chance to improve myself in all aspects for this 1 year or so duration.
As I study abroad in Perth, I did not take physics during my highschool days and hence do not meet the minimum requirements.
Is there any possibility of applying for SQ if I were to obtain an O' Level cert in Singapore whilst weathering through this economic crisis ?
I have been a keen aviator since I could walk. I took up flying when I was 14 yrs of age studying abroad. I flew solo at 15 and obtained GFPT at 17 which is CAAS's equivalent PPL-R.
During my NS days, I decided to try applying for RSAF pilot and went through several tests just to see how far I could go with the assumption that RSAF's test should be more stringent than SQ.
I'll admit I am no fighter pilot material. Apart from flying, I was clueless just about the avionics systems on board the fighter jets we have. I have neither the personality or attributes of a fighter pilot.
I have been through the medical test at ST Aeromedical centre as well as about a 4 hours computer test at CMPB which surprisingly is about 90% identical to what one of the member has described. I was not aware RSAF and SQ applicants utilise the same test till today.
I passed both medical and computer test but anticipate to be dropped out during interview which of cause I did.
Having flown for a short duration of time at what used to be Singapore Flying Club (SIA) and now Seletar Flying Club, I was given the opportunity of a life time to fly the B777 simulator at STC which I still remember vividly every single detail of that morning session.
My main concern is not meeting the minimum requirements set by SIA. I also intend to pursue CPL in Perth even though it is not recognised by CAAS, which I can only hope would show the interviewers, my passion for flying.
I would greatly appreciate any feedbacks offered.
To all previously unsuccessful applicants, please do not be disheartened.
I sincerely hope you guys would persevere to the end. If nothing comes out of it, take plight in knowing you have put forth your best effort for passion of flying and that is all you need to know.
In addition for aspiring pilots, like what others have said, please do try out the B738 Simulator at Flight Experience Singapore. ---> Flight Experience - Flight Simulators - Take the ride of your life on our Flight Simulator
Here's a video of my session to give you a rough idea. YouTube - Flight Experience Singapore (Part 1)
Rest assure the staff won't force you to do an engine failure on take off. Your "Co-Pilot" is very friendly and helpful and is more than willing to take you through the instruments onboard the simulator.
I just did mine last week and it is simply amazing. The simulator is very authentic. Apart from not having a motion platform, I believe this simulator will give you a bit more perspective on the operations of an airliner. Also bearing in mind the operational tempo in a real life flight is about 10 times busier than what is shown.
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@AC Schnitzer: Wow, I can tell that you're a very keen aviator! Glad that you tried Flight Experience. Man, I should have tried more adventurous stuff like your engine failure when I went there last time. :P
SIA's cadet pilot recruitment page says the following:
Do you have another Science subject other than Physics? If so you might be meeting the minimum requirements. Maybe you want to consider calling the HR to clarify?
Anyway, I can't say much for HR, but if I were you and if I can afford it, I'd probably do the same and take the O Levels just to be sure that I meet the minimum requirements, while waiting for the economy to recover (hopefully some time next year). But if I'm not mistaken this year's O Levels registration has been closed, hasn't it?
As for the CPL... I'm not sure if SIA's policy accepts CPL holder and above or not for cadet pilots. I seem to recall that some airlines have a policy of not accepting CPL holders and above as cadet pilots.
Wishing you all the best!
SIA's cadet pilot recruitment page says the following:
[...] you must have obtained a minimum of 5 Credits in the GCE ‘O’ level or its equivalent. These must include English, Mathematics and a Science subject, preferably Physics, taken at one sitting.
Anyway, I can't say much for HR, but if I were you and if I can afford it, I'd probably do the same and take the O Levels just to be sure that I meet the minimum requirements, while waiting for the economy to recover (hopefully some time next year). But if I'm not mistaken this year's O Levels registration has been closed, hasn't it?
As for the CPL... I'm not sure if SIA's policy accepts CPL holder and above or not for cadet pilots. I seem to recall that some airlines have a policy of not accepting CPL holders and above as cadet pilots.
Wishing you all the best!
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Hi Randomx,
Congrats in getting through your interview !
Because I took the 90 min package, the first 2 flights were landing in Switzerland and Kai Tak. I decided to make full use of the remaining time to do an emergency scenario.
I've gotten Edward's contact at HR and will be calling him to speak to him about my circumstances and take it from there. Not much can be done without knowing what is required in the first place. I'll still be re-reading the threads and see if there is any more I can do or any information I have missed.
Do keep us updated on your flight training progress ! Stories like that inspire others not to give up hope. All the best in your endeavors with SIA.
Congrats in getting through your interview !
Because I took the 90 min package, the first 2 flights were landing in Switzerland and Kai Tak. I decided to make full use of the remaining time to do an emergency scenario.
I've gotten Edward's contact at HR and will be calling him to speak to him about my circumstances and take it from there. Not much can be done without knowing what is required in the first place. I'll still be re-reading the threads and see if there is any more I can do or any information I have missed.
Do keep us updated on your flight training progress ! Stories like that inspire others not to give up hope. All the best in your endeavors with SIA.
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Dear AC Schnitzer,
The requirement of a minimum of :
5 Credits in the GCE ‘O’ level or its equivalent, These must include English, Mathematics and a Science subject, preferably Physics, taken at one sitting.
From what I understand, is a CAAS requirement. So there is probably no way around it other than to do your O levels if you do not have the above. You can do a combine science rather than Pure Physics. It will work.
to get you started, links to some schools offering O levels:
'O' Level Courses - Cambridge International Examinations
Course: GCE O-Level (5 Subjects) (MOE)
:: ITE : Part-time Education (CET) : GCE 'A', 'O', 'N' & SEC Education
Please note that you need to take practical lessons for Pure Physics. Make sure the school conducts practical lessons if you decide to enrol.
As for CPL holders, if you go thru the threads, there is at least one CPL holder from a Malaysia flying school who got into the cadet program. BUT from what I know, CASA CPL won't work unless you get a conversion, which is another thread by itself.
I hope things will work out for you.
The requirement of a minimum of :
5 Credits in the GCE ‘O’ level or its equivalent, These must include English, Mathematics and a Science subject, preferably Physics, taken at one sitting.
From what I understand, is a CAAS requirement. So there is probably no way around it other than to do your O levels if you do not have the above. You can do a combine science rather than Pure Physics. It will work.
to get you started, links to some schools offering O levels:
'O' Level Courses - Cambridge International Examinations
Course: GCE O-Level (5 Subjects) (MOE)
:: ITE : Part-time Education (CET) : GCE 'A', 'O', 'N' & SEC Education
Please note that you need to take practical lessons for Pure Physics. Make sure the school conducts practical lessons if you decide to enrol.
As for CPL holders, if you go thru the threads, there is at least one CPL holder from a Malaysia flying school who got into the cadet program. BUT from what I know, CASA CPL won't work unless you get a conversion, which is another thread by itself.
I hope things will work out for you.
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Hi there Cagivaplanet,
What you just suggested is pretty much on my cards and I am making arrangements for that to happen. Thanks for the recommendations, the school's facilities are pretty impressive.
I am aware CPL obtained in Australia is CASA accredited which is practically useless to CAAS. Going by CPL route is not really for certification purpose but rather out of self interest as well as gaining some experience.
At the moment my priority is to obtain my O Levels as that is the minimum requirements. Once done, I'll look into other avenues for area of improvement to increase my chances at interview.
Thanks once again
What you just suggested is pretty much on my cards and I am making arrangements for that to happen. Thanks for the recommendations, the school's facilities are pretty impressive.
I am aware CPL obtained in Australia is CASA accredited which is practically useless to CAAS. Going by CPL route is not really for certification purpose but rather out of self interest as well as gaining some experience.
At the moment my priority is to obtain my O Levels as that is the minimum requirements. Once done, I'll look into other avenues for area of improvement to increase my chances at interview.
Thanks once again
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Good luck, AC_S,
RSAF pilot trainee selection is 'easier' to get in than SIA... SIA selection also counts 'personality' (of course, as defined by their own opaque yardstick!!) as an important factor and even having all the correct 'attributes' (vision, education, reflexes & coordination, etc) required will not guarantee anything.
I have seen even ex-RSAF ( BWC ) not getting into SIA.
RSAF pilot trainee selection is 'easier' to get in than SIA... SIA selection also counts 'personality' (of course, as defined by their own opaque yardstick!!) as an important factor and even having all the correct 'attributes' (vision, education, reflexes & coordination, etc) required will not guarantee anything.
I have seen even ex-RSAF ( BWC ) not getting into SIA.
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Hi Edenspace,
As I've mentioned before, it was my assumption in the past to assume that RSAF pilot selection and tests are more tedious and stringent than SIA cadet pilot program.
However having read this thread over the years and having basic comprehension of the process that each Cadet Pilot has to go through, my perception has changed.
I believe "both" RSAF and SIA has its own unique set of character, personal attributes and character that they are seeking and not just SIA alone. You obviously would not want excessive amount of Type A personality in Airline Pilot.
I think most existing SIA pilots would agree with me when I say they have never studied so hard in their lives before in preparation for their ATPL papers. Unless of cause with the exception of a few who do sample ATPL papers during their spare time and score 100%.
I believe standards and expectations are set high at SIA which explains why we are one of the world's most prestigous and reputable Airline. From a Singaporean standpoint, that is something I am very proud of.
As I've mentioned before, it was my assumption in the past to assume that RSAF pilot selection and tests are more tedious and stringent than SIA cadet pilot program.
However having read this thread over the years and having basic comprehension of the process that each Cadet Pilot has to go through, my perception has changed.
I believe "both" RSAF and SIA has its own unique set of character, personal attributes and character that they are seeking and not just SIA alone. You obviously would not want excessive amount of Type A personality in Airline Pilot.
I think most existing SIA pilots would agree with me when I say they have never studied so hard in their lives before in preparation for their ATPL papers. Unless of cause with the exception of a few who do sample ATPL papers during their spare time and score 100%.
I believe standards and expectations are set high at SIA which explains why we are one of the world's most prestigous and reputable Airline. From a Singaporean standpoint, that is something I am very proud of.
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Hi guys
I beg to differ. I was once a RSAF trainee (BWC) and now in the SIA system. Hence i have first hand experience at both their selection process. In fact, the SIA selection is more stringent than the RSAF one.
The difference between the two - Passing the RSAF's interview and airgrading does not signify the beginning of one's flight training. The BWC phase is also an advanced airgrading (i cant think of any other words) rather than a training facility. At least 50% of pilots will get "chopped" there and then. A lot of people, including myself will feel that its a waste - so near yet so far. But if you think about, no actual training has even begun!
SIA on the other hand, places a lot of emphasis and trust on its interviews. The company believes once a person passes their selection process, he is ready to embark on a SIA career as a cadet pilot. Yes, sure there will be people who do not make the cut at seletar, jandakot or even maroochydore but these are quite rare cases. Once you sign on the dotted line to be a pilot of SIA, the company will train you with love and do its best to make sure you will become one.
As for CASA CPL conversions or any country's license for that matter, CAAS is willing to convert all licences now provided one meets the requirements as listed on their form5. (i.e. the core ATPL subjects and Performance A) All that is needed is for one to take the CAAS air law paper and possibly Perf A paper again if CAAS deems it as necessary.
I beg to differ. I was once a RSAF trainee (BWC) and now in the SIA system. Hence i have first hand experience at both their selection process. In fact, the SIA selection is more stringent than the RSAF one.
The difference between the two - Passing the RSAF's interview and airgrading does not signify the beginning of one's flight training. The BWC phase is also an advanced airgrading (i cant think of any other words) rather than a training facility. At least 50% of pilots will get "chopped" there and then. A lot of people, including myself will feel that its a waste - so near yet so far. But if you think about, no actual training has even begun!
SIA on the other hand, places a lot of emphasis and trust on its interviews. The company believes once a person passes their selection process, he is ready to embark on a SIA career as a cadet pilot. Yes, sure there will be people who do not make the cut at seletar, jandakot or even maroochydore but these are quite rare cases. Once you sign on the dotted line to be a pilot of SIA, the company will train you with love and do its best to make sure you will become one.
As for CASA CPL conversions or any country's license for that matter, CAAS is willing to convert all licences now provided one meets the requirements as listed on their form5. (i.e. the core ATPL subjects and Performance A) All that is needed is for one to take the CAAS air law paper and possibly Perf A paper again if CAAS deems it as necessary.
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AC Schnitzer, I have seen you post arrogantly in other forums. While you may be a keen aviator, and have done a little reading on planes, you post as if you are the final authority on aviation.
Of course, you wouldn't on aviation-related websites like this one, since you know there are many people here who know far more, and have much greater experience than you have.
No, it was in non-aviation websites that you displayed such behaviour. We have even posted in reply to each other, and only when I finally decided to post some technical details, to correct your mistakes and to stop you from being so condescending, did you shut up and leave the discussion.
Now you'd probably ask me to show you where, and make excuses, that it was a misunderstanding etc etc. I won't bother sending you a link, because you know what you are like and how you've behaved.
I don't make this post frivolously, I am not a frivolous person. You can see from my past posts that I have tried many times to help aspiring SIA pilots in any way i can, whether in interview preparation, application status, and even to find out the real reason why they failed in their interviews, so that they can improve should they get another opportunity.
But not to worry, I have nothing against you personally. I can't be bothered to go snooping around in the near future just to find out who you are, or try to derail your SIA aspirations, although you've made it really easy to find out by providing so many personal details. I only post this because I have something to say.
So what have we learnt? 1) Pilots surf and contribute in non-aviation forums too. 2) If you want to behave badly, at least change the nickname you use - S'pore is a small place.
Of course, you wouldn't on aviation-related websites like this one, since you know there are many people here who know far more, and have much greater experience than you have.
No, it was in non-aviation websites that you displayed such behaviour. We have even posted in reply to each other, and only when I finally decided to post some technical details, to correct your mistakes and to stop you from being so condescending, did you shut up and leave the discussion.
Now you'd probably ask me to show you where, and make excuses, that it was a misunderstanding etc etc. I won't bother sending you a link, because you know what you are like and how you've behaved.
I don't make this post frivolously, I am not a frivolous person. You can see from my past posts that I have tried many times to help aspiring SIA pilots in any way i can, whether in interview preparation, application status, and even to find out the real reason why they failed in their interviews, so that they can improve should they get another opportunity.
But not to worry, I have nothing against you personally. I can't be bothered to go snooping around in the near future just to find out who you are, or try to derail your SIA aspirations, although you've made it really easy to find out by providing so many personal details. I only post this because I have something to say.
So what have we learnt? 1) Pilots surf and contribute in non-aviation forums too. 2) If you want to behave badly, at least change the nickname you use - S'pore is a small place.
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Hi Knightwhosays_NI,
I have spent the last 15 minutes pondering if I have made any of such arrogant post and to no avail.
I am disappointed that you have clarify your misunderstanding with me and made your decision to accuse me of a wrong doing that I did not commit.
If you feel the need to prove your point, feel free to contact me by any means of communication or face to face.
I would appreciate that you remove your post pertaining your accusations as you are defaming me.
I have spent the last 15 minutes pondering if I have made any of such arrogant post and to no avail.
I am disappointed that you have clarify your misunderstanding with me and made your decision to accuse me of a wrong doing that I did not commit.
If you feel the need to prove your point, feel free to contact me by any means of communication or face to face.
I would appreciate that you remove your post pertaining your accusations as you are defaming me.
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Just to clarify on Hiphippyhipo's post:
"As for CASA CPL conversions or any country's license for that matter, CAAS is willing to convert all licences now provided one meets the requirements as listed on their form5. (i.e. the core ATPL subjects and Performance A) All that is needed is for one to take the CAAS air law paper and possibly Perf A paper again if CAAS deems it as necessary."
This is not all there is to a conversion. As state in CAAS website below:
ii) Alternatively, you may wish to undergo a full CPL flying training school overseas and obtain a foreign CPL or ATPL. We will consider converting the licences to a Singapore equivalent. Please note that prior to the conversion of the licence, you will be required to be gainfully employed as a pilot with a Singapore air operator eg. airline or flying club.
So if you are not empolyed by a 9V operator, you will not get your conversion. If you do not have your conversion, you will not be employed by a 9V operator. Terrible catch 22 situation we have here.
Here is the link to CAAS FAQ section on licences:
Flight Crew Licence
"As for CASA CPL conversions or any country's license for that matter, CAAS is willing to convert all licences now provided one meets the requirements as listed on their form5. (i.e. the core ATPL subjects and Performance A) All that is needed is for one to take the CAAS air law paper and possibly Perf A paper again if CAAS deems it as necessary."
This is not all there is to a conversion. As state in CAAS website below:
ii) Alternatively, you may wish to undergo a full CPL flying training school overseas and obtain a foreign CPL or ATPL. We will consider converting the licences to a Singapore equivalent. Please note that prior to the conversion of the licence, you will be required to be gainfully employed as a pilot with a Singapore air operator eg. airline or flying club.
So if you are not empolyed by a 9V operator, you will not get your conversion. If you do not have your conversion, you will not be employed by a 9V operator. Terrible catch 22 situation we have here.
Here is the link to CAAS FAQ section on licences:
Flight Crew Licence
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Hi everyone,
I need some information regarding LASIK. I know that people who go through LASIK must still meet the pre-LASIK requirements for SIA.
What I want to know is how long is the waiting period to stabilize the eyes, by SIA/CAAS standards? Is it 1 Year? Anyone has any experience or know anyone who has undergone LASIK and had to wait before going in?
I have tried checking CAAS website for Pilot medical standards but to no avail. Have e-mailed ST Medical/CAMB and am yet to receive a reply. Would be great if anyone knew any reliable and factually correct information. Please PM me or just post it out here.
Thanks much.
I need some information regarding LASIK. I know that people who go through LASIK must still meet the pre-LASIK requirements for SIA.
What I want to know is how long is the waiting period to stabilize the eyes, by SIA/CAAS standards? Is it 1 Year? Anyone has any experience or know anyone who has undergone LASIK and had to wait before going in?
I have tried checking CAAS website for Pilot medical standards but to no avail. Have e-mailed ST Medical/CAMB and am yet to receive a reply. Would be great if anyone knew any reliable and factually correct information. Please PM me or just post it out here.
Thanks much.