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Originally Posted by carlvinson
So many people claim to have a PASSION to fly, but honestly, how much about airplanes and flying do they know? I don't want to put anyone down, but when I think of PASSION, I think of someone who permanently changed his life, lives the passion or spends significant resources (time & money) to pursue his dream.
You equate passion with sacrifice. But that is just one of the many aspects of passion.
If you ever make it into an airline you will find that there are many ways of doing something and as a junior pilot if you continue with this rigid approach to life in general and how things ought to be done by your standards, then you will have an absolutely miserable time.
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Need some help..I'm new here.
Currently i'm studying mechanical engineering in diploma level, will finish diploma level by may 2007. Do you think SIA will accept my application eventhough i didnt finish diploma level? The SIA website stated, polytechnic diploma, but i'll be having a college diploma, will they accept? Give some comment please..... thanks!!
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Originally Posted by thk917
Currently i'm studying mechanical engineering in diploma level, will finish diploma level by may 2007. Do you think SIA will accept my application eventhough i didnt finish diploma level? The SIA website stated, polytechnic diploma, but i'll be having a college diploma, will they accept? Give some comment please..... thanks!!
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Originally Posted by carlvinson
I just think guys should DEMONSTRATE this passion to work with aircraft. Surfing www.airliners.net or reading FLIGHT magazine DOES NOT COUNT. I see people claiming passion all the time, it has become so cliche, and it makes it even harder for SIA to differentiate the true pilots from the wannabes.
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P.S. Just curious, how do you define a 'true pilot' anyway?
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On a different note, I read in a bike forum somewhere that this particular frequent flyer was feeling unhappy about the service by the flight crew.
He mentioned that he wished the pilots would not mumble over the PA and to create a rapport with the passengers. By rapport he does not mean that the pilots go around to each class and perform magic tricks or juggle fruits but perhaps more like, addressing the passengers and not just mumbling mumbo jumbo information to no one in particular.
What are you guys' take on this?
PS: 9V... the ideal pilot should know his ship inside out I guess... probably in terms of single rotor engines... he could errrr repair mechanical/electrical faults to the engine? my opinion i guess...
He mentioned that he wished the pilots would not mumble over the PA and to create a rapport with the passengers. By rapport he does not mean that the pilots go around to each class and perform magic tricks or juggle fruits but perhaps more like, addressing the passengers and not just mumbling mumbo jumbo information to no one in particular.
What are you guys' take on this?
PS: 9V... the ideal pilot should know his ship inside out I guess... probably in terms of single rotor engines... he could errrr repair mechanical/electrical faults to the engine? my opinion i guess...
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Interesting case mocca. But actually I think SIA itself does not really create a rapport with the passengers. (which I think every pilot should). Although a pilot's job is to fly the plane, gaining the trust of the passengers is also important. They are putting their lives in your hand and I feel that pilots themselves should reassure the passengers of a safe and comfortable flight instead of the cabin crew. That's my own opinion though. People/passengers have plenty of complaints, but a complaint like that is pretty trivial. He may think we are mumbling nonsense because maybe it ain't important to him. Some people indeed do not care about the time taken, the altitude and such. They just want to reach their destination. But others do care. So one person's opinion does not mean it's something wrong that we are doing.
A true pilot..that's a very good question....i guess everyone has their own views/definition on this. However, I shall share my views and definition of a "true pilot". It's one that has the confidence and responsibility to handle situations and his ship. Taking the initiative and trouble to know everything that's going on...be it the controls, auto-pilot, cabin, engines, co-pilot's personality/mood (team-work is very important), etc. Making sure that the trip is safe as safety is the most important issue. One that takes everything into consideration when a challenging situation arises, analayze and make good decisions. And that's of course, besides having the passion to fly. Lastly, one that is objective oriented and know his role.
Hope you guys will share your views.
A true pilot..that's a very good question....i guess everyone has their own views/definition on this. However, I shall share my views and definition of a "true pilot". It's one that has the confidence and responsibility to handle situations and his ship. Taking the initiative and trouble to know everything that's going on...be it the controls, auto-pilot, cabin, engines, co-pilot's personality/mood (team-work is very important), etc. Making sure that the trip is safe as safety is the most important issue. One that takes everything into consideration when a challenging situation arises, analayze and make good decisions. And that's of course, besides having the passion to fly. Lastly, one that is objective oriented and know his role.
Hope you guys will share your views.
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next SIA Cadet Pilot vacancy
hi. i'm new here.. i'll save the intro for next time but for now i wish to know when any of you think the next vacancy will be? your replies will be much appreciated. thanks!
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Originally Posted by Thermal Image
If you are saying this, it means that you don't know him, and more importantly, he does not know you.
It also means that you don't know that there are as many Chief Pilots as there are fleet types.
It also means that you don't know that they are not involved in the selection and training of cadets.
The selection process is not at all as though you are queueing up outside a club and you go to the bouncer and say I know the owner and then he says OK please come in.
You really do need to demonstrate how vastly different you are from the last time you were interviewed to be reconsidered.
Like maybe how you have a patent in your name to manipluate the genes of an oil plam and you can get the plant to produce kerosene at $20 per barrel instead of palm oil.
It also means that you don't know that there are as many Chief Pilots as there are fleet types.
It also means that you don't know that they are not involved in the selection and training of cadets.
The selection process is not at all as though you are queueing up outside a club and you go to the bouncer and say I know the owner and then he says OK please come in.
You really do need to demonstrate how vastly different you are from the last time you were interviewed to be reconsidered.
Like maybe how you have a patent in your name to manipluate the genes of an oil plam and you can get the plant to produce kerosene at $20 per barrel instead of palm oil.
You might want to know that while SQ is a transparent company, knowing someone on the top might help. I personally know one line pilot who was selected as a cadet due to Chief Pilot strong recommendation (they are not relative btw). He didn't qualify for the SQ cadet pilot program (i won't say which one) & Joyce at STC was really protesting having him admitted but she can't win against CP. Heck, he didn't even go for the 1st interview, but straight to the final round.
But, he turn out to be a very helpful pilot (to fellow cadet).
SQ really looking for people with strong passion in flying. I believe people like Cpt. M can tell a different if someone know things from what he just read few days before interview or due to his own self-interest for years.
Someone going for the 1st interview called me before for tips & he can't even tell the different between B744 or B777 like no of engine, or at least how the "queen of the sky" look like. Not sure whether he made it through or not....
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Originally Posted by SQ228
Thermal Image,
You might want to know that while SQ is a transparent company, knowing someone on the top might help. I personally know one line pilot who was selected as a cadet due to Chief Pilot strong recommendation (they are not relative btw). He didn't qualify for the SQ cadet pilot program (i won't say which one) & Joyce at STC was really protesting having him admitted but she can't win against CP. Heck, he didn't even go for the 1st interview, but straight to the final round.
But, he turn out to be a very helpful pilot (to fellow cadet).
SQ really looking for people with strong passion in flying. I believe people like Cpt. M can tell a different if someone know things from what he just read few days before interview or due to his own self-interest for years.
Someone going for the 1st interview called me before for tips & he can't even tell the different between B744 or B777 like no of engine, or at least how the "queen of the sky" look like. Not sure whether he made it through or not....
You might want to know that while SQ is a transparent company, knowing someone on the top might help. I personally know one line pilot who was selected as a cadet due to Chief Pilot strong recommendation (they are not relative btw). He didn't qualify for the SQ cadet pilot program (i won't say which one) & Joyce at STC was really protesting having him admitted but she can't win against CP. Heck, he didn't even go for the 1st interview, but straight to the final round.
But, he turn out to be a very helpful pilot (to fellow cadet).
SQ really looking for people with strong passion in flying. I believe people like Cpt. M can tell a different if someone know things from what he just read few days before interview or due to his own self-interest for years.
Someone going for the 1st interview called me before for tips & he can't even tell the different between B744 or B777 like no of engine, or at least how the "queen of the sky" look like. Not sure whether he made it through or not....
Yes I do agree that knowing one of the CPs can be very helpful in getting in and even short circuiting the selection process (to the extent of ruining the gatekeeper Joyce's day - yeah!).
If any CP is willing to vouch for a particular cadet then that should be good enough for Capt M. You don't even need to be a CP to ask Capt M to take a look at someone. He's not such a scary guy, you know?
However such personal favours are not at all the same as being a cadet wannabe, flunking the intial interview AND THEN trying to salvage the situation by talking to one of the CPs. They would not be the least bit interested in departing from their routine to stick their neck out for someone they don't already know. As simple as that.
As for your friend who doesn't know 2 from 4, no self resepecting pilot should help someone who can't even be bothered to discover such basic, even crude differences / knowledge for himself.
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Originally Posted by Thermal Image
Your version of passion is seriously lopsided and one-dimensional.
You equate passion with sacrifice. But that is just one of the many aspects of passion.
If you ever make it into an airline you will find that there are many ways of doing something and as a junior pilot if you continue with this rigid approach to life in general and how things ought to be done by your standards, then you will have an absolutely miserable time.
You equate passion with sacrifice. But that is just one of the many aspects of passion.
If you ever make it into an airline you will find that there are many ways of doing something and as a junior pilot if you continue with this rigid approach to life in general and how things ought to be done by your standards, then you will have an absolutely miserable time.
Back to the topic, yes, you could say I see sacrifice as a measure of one's passion. Passion is a pretty strong word, and making sacrifices in our lives help us prioritise the things that are most dear to us. How can one not make sacrifices and claim to have passion? If we could all live life with no sacrifices, nothing would be of value anymore.
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Originally Posted by NinerVictor
It's good that you are able to afford your own flying, but not everyone is as fortunate. You might be spending a substantial amount of your OWN salary on flying and equate that sacrifice of money and time as passion. But consider another scenario where a guy has jobless parents to suppport, education loan to pay off and younger siblings to look after. It will not be viable for him to spend the bulk of his money and time to persue his flying, will it? BUT he can advance his knowledge about aviation through magazines, books, simply talking to pilots or just plane spotting. He might not have the benefit of experiencing flight first hand, but the willingness to learn about it in other ways IS passion in my opinion. So I agree with Billkill that passion is not about the sacrifice you make, but the road you take. Not being physically associated with planes does not disqualify a person from being passionate about flying. When I say reading up on aviation stuff, I'm referring to people who are really doing it in their spare time, and not those who read up alot just before the interview. So if you are worried that these so claimed 'passionate' people will 'spoil the market' for you, rest assured that the interviewers are experienced enough to tell the difference. Just my two cents worth.
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P.S. Just curious, how do you define a 'true pilot' anyway?
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P.S. Just curious, how do you define a 'true pilot' anyway?
You're right about the comment about someone without time or money to demonstrate the passion (sheesh, this word is getting cliche!). Think about it, if he's got so many commitments, he's not going to be thinking of taking off for training and leaving his folks behind. Sadly, flying is a privilege and you either need lots of money or zero commitments in life.
You know, I was half expecting someone to say that I was afraid "the market might be spoiled". You are right, I feel the market is spoiled, and I am not alone when I say this. At least one other person awaiting the final round also told me this. You know why I am perturbed? There are jokers out there who cannot tell a 777 from a 747.
TRUE Pilot? Simply someone who runs a tight ship and makes sure his crew is running efficiently.
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Passion or interests, these 2 are traits that can't be gauged in an individual in any profession that they do. A CEO can say that he is passionate about making his company profitable, for his stakeholders, etc, but his BEST interests could be the pay and perks that he is getting annually that keep him going from all the daily s**t he has to face. You can't blame the chap for SPOILING the market then, because he sits there with RESPONSIBILITIES and COMMITMENTS, and he was being APPOINTED with trust and faith. He ain't drawing salary for nothing. And honestly, not everyone can be a CEO.
Back to aviation. What I am trying to convey is, as long as a pilot DELIVER in his best of ability, in line with the company directions and his SELF MOTIVATION AND COMMITMENTS, I do not see why we should doubt a person's integrity, or even discuss about it. Its a person's character and values who make the best out of the pilot in him, not the other way round. There might be a few sour grapes around that give pilots a bad name, but thats just an insignificant amount.
Sacrifices are needed at times, to pursue your dream or things that appeal to you most. But a good leader and a sensible person will always weigh and balance it out on what is the best decision to do at that particular point of time. We are all VICTIM OF CIRCUMSTANCES. Passion is passion, reality is always reality. Life is like a s**t sandwich, the more bread we have the less s**t we have to eat. I've always wanted to be a engineer and I have interests in fluid dynamics, but my old man says "Dude, here is a million dollar company waiting for your heirship". What can I do then
Now I am pursuing my dream to be a pilot, and letting go of all thats tangible in value. That's my pay and my perks. I've switched from reading Harvard Business Review to Airliners and Aviation publications. Still not enough moolah to get my ass to indulge in GA yet. Passionate enough in me?
Back to aviation. What I am trying to convey is, as long as a pilot DELIVER in his best of ability, in line with the company directions and his SELF MOTIVATION AND COMMITMENTS, I do not see why we should doubt a person's integrity, or even discuss about it. Its a person's character and values who make the best out of the pilot in him, not the other way round. There might be a few sour grapes around that give pilots a bad name, but thats just an insignificant amount.
Sacrifices are needed at times, to pursue your dream or things that appeal to you most. But a good leader and a sensible person will always weigh and balance it out on what is the best decision to do at that particular point of time. We are all VICTIM OF CIRCUMSTANCES. Passion is passion, reality is always reality. Life is like a s**t sandwich, the more bread we have the less s**t we have to eat. I've always wanted to be a engineer and I have interests in fluid dynamics, but my old man says "Dude, here is a million dollar company waiting for your heirship". What can I do then
Now I am pursuing my dream to be a pilot, and letting go of all thats tangible in value. That's my pay and my perks. I've switched from reading Harvard Business Review to Airliners and Aviation publications. Still not enough moolah to get my ass to indulge in GA yet. Passionate enough in me?
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Originally Posted by carlvinson
sir, you should save those personal jibes for yourself. You are welcome to criticize my comments and ideas, but I do not appreciate the comments you make about me and my life.
Back to the topic, yes, you could say I see sacrifice as a measure of one's passion. Passion is a pretty strong word, and making sacrifices in our lives help us prioritise the things that are most dear to us. How can one not make sacrifices and claim to have passion? If we could all live life with no sacrifices, nothing would be of value anymore.
Back to the topic, yes, you could say I see sacrifice as a measure of one's passion. Passion is a pretty strong word, and making sacrifices in our lives help us prioritise the things that are most dear to us. How can one not make sacrifices and claim to have passion? If we could all live life with no sacrifices, nothing would be of value anymore.
See the last paragraph, the one that appears to have provoked some kind of reaction from you.
See if you can find the words "if....then...."
The plain meaning of those words is merely to state what would happen in your career IF you had a certain attitude. It is not, as you state, criticising you and your life.
However, IF (here it comes again) the words DO sting, then they must have quite a degree of truth in it.
So perhaps I am correct, as are the others who are showing you other meanings of passion, that you are just a very narrow minded person.
And hey, if your idea of a true pilot (from a wannabe, no less) is running "a tight ship" and "making sure his crew is running efficiently" (your words), then that just about confirms your obviously flawed concept of CRM. You think pilots are generals ah?
Did your ideas about AIRLINE flight operations come from some Hardy Boys storybook about WW2 bomber pilots?
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Originally Posted by Thermal Image
Go back to my post.
See the last paragraph, the one that appears to have provoked some kind of reaction from you.
See if you can find the words "if....then...."
The plain meaning of those words is merely to state what would happen in your career IF you had a certain attitude. It is not, as you state, criticising you and your life.
However, IF (here it comes again) the words DO sting, then they must have quite a degree of truth in it.
So perhaps I am correct, as are the others who are showing you other meanings of passion, that you are just a very narrow minded person.
And hey, if your idea of a true pilot (from a wannabe, no less) is running "a tight ship" and "making sure his crew is running efficiently" (your words), then that just about confirms your obviously flawed concept of CRM. You think pilots are generals ah?
Did your ideas about AIRLINE flight operations come from some Hardy Boys storybook about WW2 bomber pilots?
See the last paragraph, the one that appears to have provoked some kind of reaction from you.
See if you can find the words "if....then...."
The plain meaning of those words is merely to state what would happen in your career IF you had a certain attitude. It is not, as you state, criticising you and your life.
However, IF (here it comes again) the words DO sting, then they must have quite a degree of truth in it.
So perhaps I am correct, as are the others who are showing you other meanings of passion, that you are just a very narrow minded person.
And hey, if your idea of a true pilot (from a wannabe, no less) is running "a tight ship" and "making sure his crew is running efficiently" (your words), then that just about confirms your obviously flawed concept of CRM. You think pilots are generals ah?
Did your ideas about AIRLINE flight operations come from some Hardy Boys storybook about WW2 bomber pilots?
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This is just my personal thought of passion. How i weigh if this person is passionate of flying.
If i meet a person who knows so much about flying...can tell me the difference in every type of aircraft and has a vast knowledge of aviation. Is this person passionate?
If i meet a person who had not flown before but had always love to look at the sky for aeroplanes since young. Is this person passionate?
Hard to differenciate? If i straight away say come on...u only know this and that or u havent even flown how do u know u r passionate? I can be right or i can be wrong. How can one judge a person's passion by just reading or knowing the person for a day or 2? Passion is a collective event. You think the SQ interviewers can see if one is passionate or not in just a 20mins interview?
This is all a trap of what i call perception. If he likes u good if not too bad. Everyone of us has a perception build in us of what passions are. So to argue and debate this issue, it will never come to an end. My only advise is, if one is really passionate about flying, forget about what others think about you, u can be either rich or poor, if your heart is always with the sky while working, eating or sleeping, you can tell yourself flying is what u want to do for the rest of your life. If you failed once, twice, thrice and thought about giving up, then you know which category u fall into. Cheers and just my 2 cents worth.
If i meet a person who knows so much about flying...can tell me the difference in every type of aircraft and has a vast knowledge of aviation. Is this person passionate?
If i meet a person who had not flown before but had always love to look at the sky for aeroplanes since young. Is this person passionate?
Hard to differenciate? If i straight away say come on...u only know this and that or u havent even flown how do u know u r passionate? I can be right or i can be wrong. How can one judge a person's passion by just reading or knowing the person for a day or 2? Passion is a collective event. You think the SQ interviewers can see if one is passionate or not in just a 20mins interview?
This is all a trap of what i call perception. If he likes u good if not too bad. Everyone of us has a perception build in us of what passions are. So to argue and debate this issue, it will never come to an end. My only advise is, if one is really passionate about flying, forget about what others think about you, u can be either rich or poor, if your heart is always with the sky while working, eating or sleeping, you can tell yourself flying is what u want to do for the rest of your life. If you failed once, twice, thrice and thought about giving up, then you know which category u fall into. Cheers and just my 2 cents worth.
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Originally Posted by carlvinson
sir, you should save those personal jibes for yourself. You are welcome to criticize my comments and ideas, but I do not appreciate the comments you make about me and my life.
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Haha, you're pretty full of yourself.
Nothing new here, when children can't counter an argument, they just resort to name calling. Well done.
So you got your FAA PPL on 19 April, and now you're some kind of airline aviation god?
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whoa... this place is turning into a warzone.. guys.. truly... the best way for a win-win situation is to understand each other and reconcile if required. having a war here makes it look like a child's play.. try this.. stay humble and share.. that's all.. what ever information that's shared will be each individual's own perception and conclusion within themselves only.. bare in mind.. we're adults and we're human.. we have brains to think and every individual has their own mind and ways.. never thought flying is such a political gameplay and even worse... not a diplomatic one... keep on throwing grenades at each other and you will never end the war until someone stops throwing grenades.. in this case i'd recommend this.. since it had turned sour.. RECONCILE.. both of you are wrong to throw insults at each other regardless of who started it first... the person whom threw the insult back after the first should think this... are you actually as low of a standard as the person who threw the insult first? just take 2 seconds and give it a thought.. hope to see some apologies even if the one side is too proud to be feel sorry.. (hint. one has to start first) gosh.. i'd think i'll make better money being a marriage consultant.. haha!