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redsnail 22nd Sep 2018 11:25

Our company has asked those who have a UK issued EASA lic to check with the UK CAA that our medical records are up to date so if we need to transfer to another authority, that aspect is already sorted.

robin 24th Sep 2018 15:42

It's arrived and what a load of rubbish

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...no-brexit-deal

Denti 24th Sep 2018 19:40

Funny enough, the UK pretty much promises to let EU airlines continue to fly into the UK and hopes (hope? in a legal process?) the EU would reciprocate. Why would the EU do that? I mean, the EU gets the full deal and the UK nothing? That would help EU airlines quite a bit, wouldn't it?

The same as for flights is actually going to happen to channel ferries and trains. Which would pretty much isolate the UK from the EU on march 30th with the exception of NI.

robin 24th Sep 2018 20:30

Question. How does this affect non-commercial flying? If you go to L2K for lunch will you need special permission? Looking forward to the next ramp check

Tandemrotor 25th Sep 2018 00:33

I can only imagine this all comes as a terrible shock to the tourist industries of Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, France et al. Not to mention the Airbus manufacturing industry.

Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.

Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!

Oh well. Onwards and upwards.

wiggy 25th Sep 2018 06:19


Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K.
which of course means 4 out 5 don’t...and I rather doubt given the last two and a half years this comes as a shock to anybody..certainly not Airbus.

Dannyboy39 25th Sep 2018 06:36


Originally Posted by Tandemrotor (Post 10257591)
I can only imagine this all comes as a terrible shock to the tourist industries of Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, France et al. Not to mention the Airbus manufacturing industry.

Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.

Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!

Oh well. Onwards and upwards.

I'm sure Aena, hoteliers, restaurants and traders love the fact that they're going to lose 50 million passengers next year going through their local airports!

Yeah, the most lucrative routes over the Atlantic - pity not many can use them until a replacement for the Bermuda II UK-US air transport agreement is put in place!

For me, I don't understand why a system of bilateral agreements need to be in place - surely this should be at ICAO level rather than at EU or individual member level? What does anyone have to gain to go back to a 1980s system where only certain operators can operate certain routes, at certain times, which to be fair, still exists in many parts of the world. (I'm sure BA would love this system to return as they were really rolling in the money under this system).

sixchannel 25th Sep 2018 08:00

Hope? What "hope"?
 
As a retired professional negotiator ive been constantly stunned to see that our Government and "Negotiators" couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag. I wouldn't have paid DD in washers and poor Raab is simply now a mouthpiece for our crackers final position.
What's with this "hope" thing? It reminds me of that dreadful quip - "and the meek shall inherit the earth- if thats alright with you chaps."
To me this is a straightforward. We have a superb negotiating position. Look at our geographic location. If we cannot fly to any EU country, a situation which is laughable posturing, then no EU generated flight can cross UK aerospace.
Simples? Unworkable? Probably - but lets take the fight to the EU and stop rolling over!
Nurse! The screens!

bulldog89 25th Sep 2018 08:02


Originally Posted by Tandemrotor (Post 10257591)
I can only imagine this all comes as a terrible shock to the tourist industries of Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, France et al. Not to mention the Airbus manufacturing industry.

Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.

Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!

Oh well. Onwards and upwards.

Ehm...what about the UK tourist industry? I heard 5 out of 5 tourists travelling to the UK are not from the UK...

bulldog89 25th Sep 2018 08:07


Originally Posted by sixchannel (Post 10257728)
As a retired professional negotiator ive been constantly stunned to see that our Government and "Negotiators" couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag. I wouldn't have paid DD in washers and poor Raab is simply now a mouthpiece for our crackers final position.
What's with this "hope" thing? It reminds me of that dreadful quip - "and the meek shall inherit the earth- if thats alright with you chaps."
To me this is a straightforward. We have a superb negotiating position. Look at our geographic location. If we cannot fly to any EU country, a situation which is laughable posturing, then no EU generated flight can cross UK aerospace.
Simples? Unworkable? Probably - but lets take the fight to the EU and stop rolling over!
Nurse! The screens!

Not really sure about this, as the right to overfly a country is dictated by ICAO, not EASA...anyway talking about EU-Americas flights this could be a really good situation for France, Spain and maybe even Portugal. I’m sure Macron is very aware of this seen the way he’s “negotiating”.

sjimmy 25th Sep 2018 08:33

Not a lawyer but,
There is a difference between overflying a nation versus landing in this nation.
different rules apply.

edit: Bulldog already mentioned this

seabird007 1st Oct 2018 00:17

Brexit / Advantages for third party holder ?
 
This opinion slammed into my head this morning just like I had 5 tequila shots for breakfast:

me: EU citizen with Canadian commercial ( ICAO 3rd party ) and not over 1000tt yet

my quest: just assumed it's gonna be a no deal and UK has to develop and figure out a brand new CAA from a to z with all subtopics in terms of air law, marshaller jacket colour and of course licensing validation and conversion;
does anyone maybe belive that this could be a loophole for folks like me, trying to come home without conversion since EASA wouldn't be no longer Uk's principal ? Any assumption out there?

"if you pull-houses become smaller-if you pull more, they become bigger again"

Longhitter 1st Oct 2018 06:03

Short answer: no.

The UK would have to decide to endorse / convert Canadian licenses to UK ones, and they would be UK national licenses that are not valid to operate EASA registered aircraft.

seabird007 1st Oct 2018 18:22


Originally Posted by Longhitter (Post 10262734)
Short answer: no.

The UK would have to decide to endorse / convert Canadian licenses to UK ones, and they would be UK national licenses that are not valid to operate EASA registered aircraft.

Who cares about EASA aircraft... I was just thinking of getting a job then somewhere in the UK where I don't have to convert my ICAO license and can fly UK aircraft but being "home " based somewhere in the UK.
can you guys follow? Sorry... It's a little mess and chaos but that's my situation

Icarus2001 2nd Oct 2018 03:56

Well the UK will not recognise an ICAO licence they will make you sit multiple exams to learn their laws of physics then charge you a heap of money for the privilege.

Denti 2nd Oct 2018 06:37


Originally Posted by seabird007 (Post 10263374)
Who cares about EASA aircraft... I was just thinking of getting a job then somewhere in the UK where I don't have to convert my ICAO license and can fly UK aircraft but being "home " based somewhere in the UK.
can you guys follow? Sorry... It's a little mess and chaos but that's my situation

Well, are you a UK citizen or have the right to work an reside in the UK? Which you would have to, being an EU citizen doesn't help there as you would need to get residency and that will be based on missing skills, which pilots won't be in all probability, there will be no preference for EU citizens post brexit. And to get residency status now you already have to be in the country for a while being in a job and earning a certain amount of money or having enough in the bank to support yourself including private health insurance.

seabird007 2nd Oct 2018 07:31


Originally Posted by Denti (Post 10263767)
Well, are you a UK citizen or have the right to work an reside in the UK? Which you would have to, being an EU citizen doesn't help there as you would need to get residency and that will be based on missing skills, which pilots won't be in all probability, there will be no preference for EU citizens post brexit. And to get residency status now you already have to be in the country for a while being in a job and earning a certain amount of money or having enough in the bank to support yourself including private health insurance.

no sir I'm not a UK citizen. But seemes like you're pritty involved in that working/visa/post Brexit thing so another quest:
my gf ( were both Germans) just recently got a job in Switzerland. A country that has never been part of the EU. So should i expect mpre difficulties in getting a visa of a former eu country than one that has never been a part? I think that visa thing won't be an issue since trade/internal market/nato and what else topics are still in discussion when Brexit has already been conducted. And vice versa by the way.. I mean how many UK citizens work across eu as a commuter? They wouldn't loose their jobs just because not having a eu passport all of a sudden. Just my opinion

NutLoose 2nd Oct 2018 11:29

https://news.sky.com/story/juncker-b...-fail-11514505

Juncker: British planes may be stopped from landing in EU if Brexit talks fail



You couldn't make this rubbish up could you, I wonder what he would think if we refused EU aircraft permission to fly in UK airspace, that would be make a heck of a long route to the US etc.

bulldog89 2nd Oct 2018 13:05


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10263971)
https://news.sky.com/story/juncker-b...-fail-11514505

You couldn't make this rubbish up could you, I wonder what he would think if we refused EU aircraft permission to fly in UK airspace, that would be make a heck of a long route to the US etc.

The wording was quite different:
"There never was a real referendum campaign in Britain in the sense of an information campaign.
The British, including government ministers, are only now discovering how many questions it raises.
If talks [on air transport] go wrong, then no more British airplanes can land on the continent.
People didn't know that, and they should probably have been told."

I personally agree with him, and about the right to overfly UK...have you ever wondered what will happen to UK airlines if they can’t overfly Europe anymore?
This war is bad for everyone, but let’s be honest: do you really think the EU is going to suffer more than the UK in case if no deal?


Global_Global 2nd Oct 2018 13:24


On leaving th EU we automatically become a third country. That is a consequence of Article 50. Anything more than that needs to be negotiated,
I expect the EU would rather like us to remain part of EASA. However, for that to happen we would have to accept ruling of the ECJ, which at present is still one of Mrs May’s Red Lines.
The UK has been one of the biggest contributors to EASA both financially and (human)resource wise... It is very sad that the people who helped building it now have to leave.. Besides the ECJ you also need to contribute financially to EASA and for that you need: a deal... So yes it will be a mess.. Think about all the spare parts that will be without certification, simulators that are no longer certified, manufacturers that cannot deliver their final products... Nothing thought through by the politicians :rolleyes:


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