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easyJet Morale Rock Bottom

Old 25th Sep 2002, 10:33
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easyJet Morale Rock Bottom

Morale rock bottom at easy due derisory pay and conditions changes soon to be announced.

Fat cat management laughing all the way to the bank with pilots and cabin crew working to maximum FTL.

Effective cut in overall package being kept under wraps by senior management until they can decide how to sell it to the pilot workforce.

Potential industrial action by up to 49% of pilots looming.

Many size 9s thinking of walking.

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Old 25th Sep 2002, 10:46
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Glad to see someone's happy..
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I think its ****ty of the EZY management to behave in this way right now. They know that the industry is facing possible downturn again thanks to Saddam, George W, Tony, et al.......and that very, very few carriers are at present recruiting in significant numbers.

Accordingly, although it would be nice to be able to do so, I don't think that as many size 9's will be walking as one would like to think. The package may be terrible, but under current economic situation, it is probably the case that most will stay put in the meantime.....until the storm is ridden out.

Industrial action - why not? A few sporadic days of decimated schedules will surely make the fat ones sit up and take a bit of notice.............or a mass viral infection to sweep through the Company rendering all of the pilots unfit to fly............hmmmmm
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Old 25th Sep 2002, 13:09
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very doubtful that in times of challenging employment situations with extensive leisure effects people step out of any kind of job unless they have something else secured...and the beancounters work on this fact.
 
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Employers screw workers all the time to keep the profits healthy - whether you are flying shiney, new Boeings or selling newspapers at the corner on the high street it is just the same means to an end.
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And a strike increases losses, or decreases profits thus hitting the beancounters bottom line - the same bottom line used to calculate staff (including pilots) salary increases.

Think on boys (and girls)

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Morale pretty low on the dole queue too
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Old 25th Sep 2002, 16:46
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Ah you poor wee things you. Morale low heh, ah what a shame, awful people expecting you to work to the limit eh. So what do you expect? Join the real world laddie.
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Well said seriph. not so long ago any criticism of easy or its pilots was met with a smug arrogance and accusation about sour grapes. no sympathy here.
and no i wasnt refused, i havent even applied. too much like the "prisoner" tv series, all roses until you question the hip orange culture , then a visit from a big orange bouncy balloon.

you pays yer money you take yer chances.
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Seems to me that Max Factor`s morale is always at rockbottom. A real profi whinger - must be fun to fly with him. Oh yes - and a bit of a one track lobbier too...
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I have a few comments after reading the above,

1. Morale does not have to be low when working for an LCA! The excellent roster practices employed at GO are testament to the fact that stable, acceptable rosters are possible and yet still work to the FTL.

2. GO had very healthy profits without screwing the workforce.

3. Why should it be an automatic conclusion that to improve ones working enviroment that to "walk" is the only option.

4. Industrial action should not be discounted just because of the present aviation climate. No one would wish to go on strike but for management to take notice then this threat must be employed and that the majority of pilots are prepared to back action should it be necessary. Easyjet nor Ryanair can suddenly conjure up several hundred 737 pilots. We have the power NOT management!

5. If the employers wish to screw the workers then they will not have a profitable company as a result.


The morale at GO was very high before the takeover. Many are worried that we are slipping towards a Ryanair attitude to staff. This fear is not allayed by Mr Websters' remarks made in a recent Telegraph interview denegrating Cassani. She was respected by all at GO. Remarks against her are more likely to alienate his new workforce. Not a clever move by a CEO.
Indeed if we could swap Cassani for Webster we would all have a brighter future!!!

And now I have just read the last two replies and wonder why I bother posting anything on this forum. Oh well.......
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Simple unadulterated fact(s)...
In the present economic climate, management calls the shots, like it or not...and many won't.

Wait for better times if you want to move employers or take industrial action...simple as that.

Have often wondered why so-called professional pilots cannot understand these very basic principles.
Put on your oxy masks guys and wake up.
It ain't gonna change ANYTIME soon.

PS: Even the HKAOA guys are starting to wake up...and about time too.
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Old 25th Sep 2002, 19:26
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You think its bad at Easy, believe me you guys are on a hell of a lot better wickit than we are, but I do understand where you are comming from.
Look on the bright side, you could be worse off, chin up...
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Irony

Am I the only person to have read this thread with an easyjet recruitment banner at the top of the page?
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Firstly, I'd much rather be with Easy than out of work at the moment!

That said I do have every sympathy with low morale in a Company having been there myself. The commonest reason for staff to leave an organisation is "lack of recognition" - pay and conditions rarely are the main reason.

I was recently talking to a friend who is not in the airline business who was complaining bitterly about his job etc. After a while I asked him what he liked about his job. His initial reply was "Nothing". I then asked them if they paid him - "Yes" he replied so I said well there's one good thing about your job. I then asked him about the people he was working with. "A great team - I really like working with them". Do you like the job itself "Yes - I actually love it". So, I said, there are at least three good things about your job: a) they pay you, b)you are working with a good team of people and c) you like the job!!

I am not one of those people that believes positive thinking enables you to turn everything around but it certainly will enable you to do everything better than employing negative thinking!

I know that some of the managment styles out there are pretty appalling but think not what your Company can do for you but what you can do for your Company! With the "lack and limitation programming " that exists in the "datasphere" it is so easy to get caught up in the mindset that there is no way anyone can help to improve things. Step up to a higher standard - don't lose your cool - make sure than you keep communicating with the Company and let them know how you feel but at all times maintain your posture - act professionally even if the Company doesn't.
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Reading an accident report for an easyjet flight at http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/bulletin/sep02/gezyb.htm it stated that the captain had flown 91 hours in the last 90 days of which 34 hours had been flown in the last 30 days. Good job if you can get one.
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I think the truly offensive thing about this is the 'spin' put on by the managers at easyJet. Their 'head-in-the-sand' attitude displays either incredible ignorance of what's going on in their airline, or utter stupidity in their approach to 'managing' it.

With the inspirational Stelios gone, those calling the shots lack credibility, respect, ability, and even basic management skills.

The remarks about Barbara (above) are spot on. She used her vision, drive, and principles to build a fine airline. So did Stelios. He stepped out, she stood for what she believed in and had to let go.

My only question is, whether the airline's founder will grasp the nettle and set about re-building the business? He built the brand in a magnificent manner, and should keep a close watch on a potential failure.

Meanwhile, those 'at the sharp end' and 'down the back' slave on. I believe they'd be a lot happier if the bosses came out with the truth and said 'we don't value you, we're going to work you into the ground, and we'll pay you as little as we can get away with'. At least, there would be some honesty then... (and honesty is a good first step on the road to respect).
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Seriph What an unpleasant individual you are. I assume you are not a Pilot as otherwise you would have some sympathy with anyone expected to work to limits of CAP 371,in whatever company they work for. CAP 371 has been hijacked by the Airlines as a limit to work to which was never the intention but the CAA which is paid for by the Airlines has never had the bottle to take on the Airlines who cry poverty at every opportunity.
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NorthernSky has got it about right. Unfortunately most managers have come to the airline from other management postions and have little experience in running an airline, and even less in flying aircraft. How often have you had a manager on the jump seat who has no idea of what is going on in the cockpit?

It is unlikely that Stelios will be able to do as much for the company in the future. Go fly to Italy and easy have not been doing so up till now because of the legal problems Stelios has in Italy. Therefore with the Go takeover he has to back off from the running of the company now, or the Italians may impound some of easy/Go's aircraft.
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How things change eh?

This thread proves the theory that being an airline pilot is as paradoxical as it can get. To have so much responsibility yet treated with such little respect. Show me another job that has so many lives to safeguard and such little respect from those that entrust you with them. Ask yourself why a pilot, who proves his ability on a 6 monthly basis, feels it necessary to speak of industrial action? Could it be that he feels that without respect he has no other response to use?

For the 'seriphs' out there, the reason we whinge so much is because individuals like you prod us with tactless comments like yours, thus lowering our opinion of you (a manager I presume?) even more. Get back to your 'powerpoint' presentations and shove them next to the Major Incident File to gather dust....
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