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It will be interesting how Mr Webster will tell share holders .
Why EASYJET needed to use contract pilots at 10000dollars a month ,and subcontracting titan and the like at 7000pounds per hour .
Reason being is that he didnt listen to the pilots that he had in the first place.
Why EASYJET needed to use contract pilots at 10000dollars a month ,and subcontracting titan and the like at 7000pounds per hour .
Reason being is that he didnt listen to the pilots that he had in the first place.
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Woe upon woe
Judging from the posts here, seems like both airlines lost their respective 'leaders of distinction'; Babs and Stellios. Maybe the investors should recognise this fact and do some damn quick rectification before the whole lot goes down the swanny.
Just an observation from the views posted here
Jack
Judging from the posts here, seems like both airlines lost their respective 'leaders of distinction'; Babs and Stellios. Maybe the investors should recognise this fact and do some damn quick rectification before the whole lot goes down the swanny.
Just an observation from the views posted here
Jack
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Over recruitment?
Apparently there has been heavy recruitment over the last few months for a large base NW of the Isle of Man, rumour is that some of our new colleagues are in for a nice surprise on day 1 when they find out their base is a little bit closer to London than they'd been led to believe...something to do with a few of the brothers from Go having first dibs at the B*****t base. Woops.
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No Sig - your efforts at defending the indefensible are noble but frankly you are too nice and honest a guy for this so my advice would be to give it a rest.
In the past I have also been a strong supporter of what we all dreamt we were doing here but the vision is lost - sadly I have found myself telling friends not to join
In the past I have also been a strong supporter of what we all dreamt we were doing here but the vision is lost - sadly I have found myself telling friends not to join
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BALPA arent cutting it.
Nearly choked on my corn flakes reading the LOG.
Balpa slapping themselves on the back over the GO pilots.
When are they going to get their fingers out and sort out the EASYJET pilots situation.
Double standards I am affriad so far ,looking after Barbie Dolls soldiers.
Not impressed.
Balpa slapping themselves on the back over the GO pilots.
When are they going to get their fingers out and sort out the EASYJET pilots situation.
Double standards I am affriad so far ,looking after Barbie Dolls soldiers.
Not impressed.
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What exactly are the problems at Easyjet.
You are paid one of the highest salaries in a UK airline with good and quick prospects of promotion in a secure airline job especially regarding the aftermath of 9/ 11.
Sure you have to work quite hard but do you honestly expect management to pay you for sitting around at home doing nothing.
You have had a few problems with rostering but these are problems some of us have had to live with for years, your airline is growing rapidly to become one of the biggest low cost outfits in Europe.
Sorry, I dont work for Easy and therefore are not in the know regarding all the detail and I could be completely misguided but I dont see too many problems compared to some airlines out there.
You are paid one of the highest salaries in a UK airline with good and quick prospects of promotion in a secure airline job especially regarding the aftermath of 9/ 11.
Sure you have to work quite hard but do you honestly expect management to pay you for sitting around at home doing nothing.
You have had a few problems with rostering but these are problems some of us have had to live with for years, your airline is growing rapidly to become one of the biggest low cost outfits in Europe.
Sorry, I dont work for Easy and therefore are not in the know regarding all the detail and I could be completely misguided but I dont see too many problems compared to some airlines out there.
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Amazon.
If you dont work for us .
Please p*ss off .
We often work 7 in row with 2 days off {you dont do that}.
I dont expect a free ride laddie only a resonable return when the company is making a profit of 60 million.
Plus the airline has just awarded 10 million between 40 managers without giving a full explaination to share holders.
If an airline isnt profitable then fair enough NO PAY RISE.
But when it is there should be a fair slice of the cake for everyone within that company.
If you dont work for us .
Please p*ss off .
We often work 7 in row with 2 days off {you dont do that}.
I dont expect a free ride laddie only a resonable return when the company is making a profit of 60 million.
Plus the airline has just awarded 10 million between 40 managers without giving a full explaination to share holders.
If an airline isnt profitable then fair enough NO PAY RISE.
But when it is there should be a fair slice of the cake for everyone within that company.
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Blackdog, a more careful reading of that piece would tell you that it was Go's (named) Company Council members that achieved the result, not a mythical swat team from New Road with a grudge against EJ. If you aren't getting results then it may be down to several factors, but a lack of help from BALPA is unlikely to be one of them. Remember, YOU are BALPA, and your reps are YOUR mouthpiece. If you don't like 'em, change 'em, but don't blame BALPA.
And to the poster a page or so back who wondered if there is any airline left that is pleasant and fun to work for you don't have far to look. It's now part of EasyJet. Wouldn't it be tragic if the incorporation of "best practices" somehow allowed that unique atmosphere and attitudes to work to be lost. It's so close to you, you could (rather we all could) have it. Now!
And to the poster a page or so back who wondered if there is any airline left that is pleasant and fun to work for you don't have far to look. It's now part of EasyJet. Wouldn't it be tragic if the incorporation of "best practices" somehow allowed that unique atmosphere and attitudes to work to be lost. It's so close to you, you could (rather we all could) have it. Now!
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boy Johnny,
I DISAGREE at this stage in EASYJET.
The senior negiotiator should be involved head to head with Mr Webster.
According to the LOG article you were assisted by Balpa{you didnt achieve it on your own}.
Plus remember you are now part of EASYJET so you can forget all your golden past with Barbie Doll thats all history.
It will be interesting to see how long you last.
About two or three months I would imagine.
By the way Go was a poor imitation of EASYJET .
Who owns who now.
In regards to BALPA the senior negiotator has not been present at any meetings. Communication has been none existant and they appear to be lackluster so far.
Therefore criticism is due .
Lets see some action and prove that you are not only interested in a bunch of NIGELS.
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
I DISAGREE at this stage in EASYJET.
The senior negiotiator should be involved head to head with Mr Webster.
According to the LOG article you were assisted by Balpa{you didnt achieve it on your own}.
Plus remember you are now part of EASYJET so you can forget all your golden past with Barbie Doll thats all history.
It will be interesting to see how long you last.
About two or three months I would imagine.
By the way Go was a poor imitation of EASYJET .
Who owns who now.
In regards to BALPA the senior negiotator has not been present at any meetings. Communication has been none existant and they appear to be lackluster so far.
Therefore criticism is due .
Lets see some action and prove that you are not only interested in a bunch of NIGELS.
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
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Little friend,
I nicely chilled thanks.
Just annoyed with our present proceedings.Its getting so late in the year we better start 2003 negiotiations into the equation.
Company says , People are its greatest asset.
We havent seen much proof of that over recent talks.
I nicely chilled thanks.
Just annoyed with our present proceedings.Its getting so late in the year we better start 2003 negiotiations into the equation.
Company says , People are its greatest asset.
We havent seen much proof of that over recent talks.
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Boy Blackdog am I glad I dont fly with you, there is an answer if you feel that unhappy with Easyjet vote with your feet otherwise you are only going to make yourself a very unhappy person, you seem to be a few steps down that road already. If you dont want anybody other than Easyjet crews replying, then post your comments on your own company forum, otherwise its a free country last time I looked and resorting to rude language only shows your inability to express yourself in any other way.
Regarding your comments about GO I totally disagree, GO as a low cost outfit were totally superior to everything else on offer right from ease of website use to ticket purchase, clean aircraft ,smart cabin crew uniforms pleasant people etc etc. I chose to fly with them on several occasions always on time and at a good price.
Biggest mistake BA made was selling GO.
Regarding your comments about GO I totally disagree, GO as a low cost outfit were totally superior to everything else on offer right from ease of website use to ticket purchase, clean aircraft ,smart cabin crew uniforms pleasant people etc etc. I chose to fly with them on several occasions always on time and at a good price.
Biggest mistake BA made was selling GO.
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Mark,
I know how you feel and Amzon man's gross over simplification of our position (clumsy attempt to p!$$ eJ crews off) is no help what so ever.
Question is what to do given the issues around TPC and the CC etc?
Perhaps we should confine ourselves to the coy. forum.
Good Luck
I know how you feel and Amzon man's gross over simplification of our position (clumsy attempt to p!$$ eJ crews off) is no help what so ever.
Question is what to do given the issues around TPC and the CC etc?
Perhaps we should confine ourselves to the coy. forum.
Good Luck
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Latest rumour.
I heard the food was to stay due to caa intervention!
Please can Captain pegram verify this.
Amazon enjoy go its shortly to be easyjet.
You also said we are paid the highest salaries in the uk.
Rubbish! A senior B747/b777 Captain with Ba would earn alot more than an easyjet Captain.
I heard the food was to stay due to caa intervention!
Please can Captain pegram verify this.
Amazon enjoy go its shortly to be easyjet.
You also said we are paid the highest salaries in the uk.
Rubbish! A senior B747/b777 Captain with Ba would earn alot more than an easyjet Captain.
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MJBD!!
Apparently that is no the case, heard the same rumour yesterday myself from an apparently good source so checked anyway and one of the Base Captains knows nothing about it.
However, the potential loss of crew food is certainly not helping the low morale at easyJet, and it reaalluy is a Flight Safety Issue. Go have been able to do without it, because they work shorter days than we do, and food is available from the bar at discounted prices. Naturally, one would expect their bars to be topped up more often than ours, which run out at about mid morning every day thus infuriating the passengers that get told they can buy something on board, only to find it has been sold out!
Anyway, it will be interesting to see what alternatives are suggested by the management, considering that so many of our days start with a 3.30 or 4.00 am out of bed, when the last thing that you want to be doing is rattle around the kitchen organising breakfast.
A couple of suggestions however;
Open the easyJet canteen at easyland on a 24 hours a day basis, so that the crews can stroll in when ever they like to get well fed, like the office workers do. Or perhaps they can send catering out to the aircraft at Madrid, Malaga and Palma, like the Duty Free vans. Or, even better, when we get hungry on a turn around, we stop, get off and disappear for an hour to find a cafe somewhere and get back to the aircraft within the hour (or two) once we have had our nutritious lunch!
A reminder to the management, so well versed in these matters:
Loss of concentration, fatigue, short term memory loss, impaired judgement, sloppy flying and decreased visual perception, increased reaction time, and being able to be easily distracted are only some of the symptoms of fatigued pilots; is that what you want to fly your new A319's??
Apparently that is no the case, heard the same rumour yesterday myself from an apparently good source so checked anyway and one of the Base Captains knows nothing about it.
However, the potential loss of crew food is certainly not helping the low morale at easyJet, and it reaalluy is a Flight Safety Issue. Go have been able to do without it, because they work shorter days than we do, and food is available from the bar at discounted prices. Naturally, one would expect their bars to be topped up more often than ours, which run out at about mid morning every day thus infuriating the passengers that get told they can buy something on board, only to find it has been sold out!
Anyway, it will be interesting to see what alternatives are suggested by the management, considering that so many of our days start with a 3.30 or 4.00 am out of bed, when the last thing that you want to be doing is rattle around the kitchen organising breakfast.
A couple of suggestions however;
Open the easyJet canteen at easyland on a 24 hours a day basis, so that the crews can stroll in when ever they like to get well fed, like the office workers do. Or perhaps they can send catering out to the aircraft at Madrid, Malaga and Palma, like the Duty Free vans. Or, even better, when we get hungry on a turn around, we stop, get off and disappear for an hour to find a cafe somewhere and get back to the aircraft within the hour (or two) once we have had our nutritious lunch!
A reminder to the management, so well versed in these matters:
Loss of concentration, fatigue, short term memory loss, impaired judgement, sloppy flying and decreased visual perception, increased reaction time, and being able to be easily distracted are only some of the symptoms of fatigued pilots; is that what you want to fly your new A319's??
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Let's remind ourselves that crew food will only be withdrawn if we , the pilots , vote in its favour. This goes for the whole of the "new" easyJet terms and conditions. We now have BALPA recognition and matters like this have to be negotiated and not unilaterally imposed by management. Any package proposed will go to ballot and if you don't like it just say "no".
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Wimps!
Brakes to Park has it in one!
You all have control over your own lives. You decide where you will be and when. You owe 'these people' nothing except to perform pilotage for an agreed wage. Perhaps you should think hard about just who 'these people' are and ask yourself what you owe them. If they want to change or do something you disagree with then refuse to cooperate. If they want to make unreasonable changes to your roster exercise your basic rights of self determination, say NO! If they want you to fly without providing food and water or an adequate opportunity to obtain and consume it then, say NO! You willget no argument from them once they realise you can't be cowed or frightened.
So stand up for yourselves and stop acting like cowardly sheep. Why are you afraid of people who have absolutely no power over you. They can no more place demands on you than a tradesman or shopkeeper with whom you transact any other business. They are a bunch of faceless strangers to you and your families. Remember that and to whom your loyalty and goodwill should be directed; yourself, your family and friends.. easyJet comes a very long way last.
Until you all realise this they will have you in their grasp to twist and manipulate as they see fit. The answer to this dilemma is the same as if you are faced by similar behaviour from any other stranger in society. Retain control over your life.
You all have control over your own lives. You decide where you will be and when. You owe 'these people' nothing except to perform pilotage for an agreed wage. Perhaps you should think hard about just who 'these people' are and ask yourself what you owe them. If they want to change or do something you disagree with then refuse to cooperate. If they want to make unreasonable changes to your roster exercise your basic rights of self determination, say NO! If they want you to fly without providing food and water or an adequate opportunity to obtain and consume it then, say NO! You willget no argument from them once they realise you can't be cowed or frightened.
So stand up for yourselves and stop acting like cowardly sheep. Why are you afraid of people who have absolutely no power over you. They can no more place demands on you than a tradesman or shopkeeper with whom you transact any other business. They are a bunch of faceless strangers to you and your families. Remember that and to whom your loyalty and goodwill should be directed; yourself, your family and friends.. easyJet comes a very long way last.
Until you all realise this they will have you in their grasp to twist and manipulate as they see fit. The answer to this dilemma is the same as if you are faced by similar behaviour from any other stranger in society. Retain control over your life.
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No BS,
The theory is fantastic and you are right of course.
How do you suppose we implement your fantastic plan.On the assumption that forces must balance; what opinion have the top 40 of us?
In a way if I idealise a theory (as you have) I have no right to insist on a change at easy, than they of me given I volunteered.
As in all western developed states-cash is king-loss of liberty is secondary to money. This delicate balance is why eJ can produce a crap roster and we (with huff and puff) accept it.
Our ONLY power is to not be there-but elsewhere.
The theory is fantastic and you are right of course.
How do you suppose we implement your fantastic plan.On the assumption that forces must balance; what opinion have the top 40 of us?
In a way if I idealise a theory (as you have) I have no right to insist on a change at easy, than they of me given I volunteered.
As in all western developed states-cash is king-loss of liberty is secondary to money. This delicate balance is why eJ can produce a crap roster and we (with huff and puff) accept it.
Our ONLY power is to not be there-but elsewhere.