Ethiopian airliner down in Africa
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UK Channel Islands airspace now closed to 737 MAX ... valuable, since none of our airports are big enough to take the aircraft anyway! 
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Perhaps they do but just haven't hooked the tubes up to the right taps.
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Finally US ground aircraft
President Donald Trump has issued an emergency order to ground all Boeing 737 Max aircraft following the crash of an Ethiopian Airlines jet on Sunday.
The Federal Aviation Administration had previously held out while many countries banned the aircraft from flying over their airspace.
President Trump said the planes would now be grounded until Boeing "comes up with a solution".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47562727
The Federal Aviation Administration had previously held out while many countries banned the aircraft from flying over their airspace.
President Trump said the planes would now be grounded until Boeing "comes up with a solution".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47562727
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I would go to the manufacturer of the FDR and CVR and take some experts with, which do participate in the examination and restoration of the content. Should be plenty of experts around in the different national agencies.
Then get a copy of the digital content and take it to a safe place. From that on any tempering with the evidence is impossible and can always be proven. So the critical path is until you can read out the digital content. You can be sure that Boeing, GE, Safran and all the current Max users have a high interest in a timely and honest investigation. Is enough money at stake here.
Then get a copy of the digital content and take it to a safe place. From that on any tempering with the evidence is impossible and can always be proven. So the critical path is until you can read out the digital content. You can be sure that Boeing, GE, Safran and all the current Max users have a high interest in a timely and honest investigation. Is enough money at stake here.
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But on your large and congested islands at least you are now safe from the risk of an overflight going wrong. By the way, you call it UK CI airspace, but isn't it pretty much all inside the Brest FIR?
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And airlines now are starting to claim some refunds...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1QU0S9
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1QU0S9
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So I guess that must signal the end of the FAA as it is today. Even their ultimate boss is doing their job for them.
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Boeing's latest response..."abundance of caution"
[QUOTE]Boeing statement on grounding move
Boeing continues to have full confidence in the safety of the 737 MAX. However, after consultation with the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), and aviation authorities and its customers around the world, Boeing has determined - out of an abundance of caution and in order to reassure the flying public of the aircraft’s safety - to recommend to the FAA the temporary suspension of operations of the entire global fleet of 371 737 MAX aircraft.
Boeing continues to have full confidence in the safety of the 737 MAX. However, after consultation with the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), and aviation authorities and its customers around the world, Boeing has determined - out of an abundance of caution and in order to reassure the flying public of the aircraft’s safety - to recommend to the FAA the temporary suspension of operations of the entire global fleet of 371 737 MAX aircraft.
[QUOTE]Boeing statement on grounding move
Boeing continues to have full confidence in the safety of the 737 MAX. However, after consultation with the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), and aviation authorities and its customers around the world, Boeing has determined - out of an abundance of caution and in order to reassure the flying public of the aircraft’s safety - to recommend to the FAA the temporary suspension of operations of the entire global fleet of 371 737 MAX aircraft.
Boeing continues to have full confidence in the safety of the 737 MAX. However, after consultation with the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), and aviation authorities and its customers around the world, Boeing has determined - out of an abundance of caution and in order to reassure the flying public of the aircraft’s safety - to recommend to the FAA the temporary suspension of operations of the entire global fleet of 371 737 MAX aircraft.
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Another similar Boeing media release:
In Consultation with the FAA, NTSB and its Customers, Boeing Supports Action to Temporarily Ground 737 MAX Operations
March 13, 2019 – Boeing continues to have full confidence in the safety of the 737 MAX. However, after consultation with the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), and aviation authorities and its customers around the world, Boeing has determined -- out of an abundance of caution and in order to reassure the flying public of the aircraft’s safety -- to recommend to the FAA the temporary suspension of operations of the entire global fleet of 371 737 MAX aircraft.
“On behalf of the entire Boeing team, we extend our deepest sympathies to the families and loved ones of those who have lost their lives in these two tragic accidents,” said Dennis Muilenburg, president, CEO, Chairman of The Boeing Company.
“We are supporting this proactive step out of an abundance of caution. Safety is a core value at Boeing for as long as we have been building airplanes; and it always will be. There is no greater priority for our company and our industry. We are doing everything we can to understand the cause of the accidents in partnership with the investigators, deploy safety enhancements and help ensure this does not happen again.”
Boeing makes this recommendation and supports the decision by the FAA.
March 13, 2019 – Boeing continues to have full confidence in the safety of the 737 MAX. However, after consultation with the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), and aviation authorities and its customers around the world, Boeing has determined -- out of an abundance of caution and in order to reassure the flying public of the aircraft’s safety -- to recommend to the FAA the temporary suspension of operations of the entire global fleet of 371 737 MAX aircraft.
“On behalf of the entire Boeing team, we extend our deepest sympathies to the families and loved ones of those who have lost their lives in these two tragic accidents,” said Dennis Muilenburg, president, CEO, Chairman of The Boeing Company.
“We are supporting this proactive step out of an abundance of caution. Safety is a core value at Boeing for as long as we have been building airplanes; and it always will be. There is no greater priority for our company and our industry. We are doing everything we can to understand the cause of the accidents in partnership with the investigators, deploy safety enhancements and help ensure this does not happen again.”
Boeing makes this recommendation and supports the decision by the FAA.
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For AF447 it was quickly established that airspeed sensors problems were probably responsible for the initial 'upset' and there was a programme to replace that type of (Thales) sensor - presumably successful? For the MAX, Boeing say that the MCAS system only operates when the aircraft is OUTSIDE its 'normal envelope' (or sensors suggest it is). In the recent accidents it seems that faulty AoA sensors caused the a/c computers to think that the a/c were outside of the 'normal envelope' and erroneously invoked MCAS. Seems to me that maybe the AoA sensors should perhaps be more the focus of attention - surely there must be alternative manufacturers for similar sensors?
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Originally Posted by MPN11
UK Channel Islands airspace now closed to 737 MAX ... valuable, since none of our airports are big enough to take the aircraft anyway!
But on your large and congested islands at least you are now safe from the risk of an overflight going wrong. By the way, you call it UK CI airspace, but isn't it pretty much all inside the Brest FIR?
Wrong lol -
There are weekly charters to Spain and Tenerife flying from Jersey which were the recent domain of Germania (RIP) but the tour operator got Smart wings/Travel Service Prague in with a 737 MAX to fly from Jersey for them
Jersey Post reports today that Smart-wings had to ground their MAX fleet but can get a 737-800 in as an immediate stand in UFN
https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...erife-service/
Originally Posted by MPN11
UK Channel Islands airspace now closed to 737 MAX ... valuable, since none of our airports are big enough to take the aircraft anyway!
But on your large and congested islands at least you are now safe from the risk of an overflight going wrong. By the way, you call it UK CI airspace, but isn't it pretty much all inside the Brest FIR?
Wrong lol -
There are weekly charters to Spain and Tenerife flying from Jersey which were the recent domain of Germania (RIP) but the tour operator got Smart wings/Travel Service Prague in with a 737 MAX to fly from Jersey for them
Jersey Post reports today that Smart-wings had to ground their MAX fleet but can get a 737-800 in as an immediate stand in UFN
https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...erife-service/
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If one presumes the grounded aircraft will be towed to an unused corner of their respective airports rather than taking up valuable space on the apron, or at gates, would preventative preparations be made for an extended grounding? How long can the aircraft be grounded for in a "cold" state without requiring extensive checks and maintenance prior to returning to service?
Would the airports be levying a "storage charge"?
Would the airports be levying a "storage charge"?
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FAA statement on the grounding:
3/13/19 3:00pm Update
Statement from the FAA on Ethiopian Airlines
The FAA is ordering the temporary grounding of Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operated by U.S. airlines or in U.S. territory. The agency made this decision as a result of the data gathering process and new evidence collected at the site and analyzed today. This evidence, together with newly refined satellite data available to FAA this morning, led to this decision.
The grounding will remain in effect pending further investigation, including examination of information from the aircraft’s flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. An FAA team is in Ethiopia assisting the NTSB as parties to the investigation of the Flight 302 accident. The agency will continue to investigate.
Statement from the FAA on Ethiopian Airlines
The FAA is ordering the temporary grounding of Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operated by U.S. airlines or in U.S. territory. The agency made this decision as a result of the data gathering process and new evidence collected at the site and analyzed today. This evidence, together with newly refined satellite data available to FAA this morning, led to this decision.
The grounding will remain in effect pending further investigation, including examination of information from the aircraft’s flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. An FAA team is in Ethiopia assisting the NTSB as parties to the investigation of the Flight 302 accident. The agency will continue to investigate.
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Originally Posted by agnostique75
The UK Channel Islands didn't close their airports but their airspace, nuance....[img]images/smilies/wink2.gif
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In the recent accidents it seems that faulty AoA sensors caused the a/c computers to think that the a/c were outside of the 'normal envelope' and erroneously invoked MCAS. Seems to me that maybe the AoA sensors should perhaps be more the focus of attention - surely there must be alternative manufacturers for similar sensors?
