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Safest airline is Finnair or Qantas ?

Old 7th Jan 2019, 17:19
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I think people need to get a grip - the difference in "safety" between say Finnair and any other European or N American airline is in real terms miniscule. You are in far more danger every time you cross the road or drive your car

IF, and only if, your travels take you to Africa South of the Sahara, parts of Russia or Indonesia your risks will be higher but believe it or not even in these places the skies are not full of falling aluminium. Your chances of accident are roughly the same as they were in the USA and Europe in say the 1960's. If this frightens or worries you DON'T GO.

For almost all airlines the chances of accidents are almost random, not systemic
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 20:13
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
The simple answer is you can't.
Corrrect. How can Mr Thomas website pronounce QF the safest in the World? For example QF total airframes and operational sectors are miniscule compared with say Ryanair in Europe with over 400 aircraft operating safely to many lesser equipped Regional airports. EASA training and crew regulation are equal to CASA. And Ryanair havenít had a fatal in jet operation either, one of the seeming qualifications for his top spot.
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 21:04
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post
Corrrect. How can Mr Thomas website pronounce QF the safest in the World? For example QF total airframes and operational sectors are miniscule compared with say Ryanair in Europe with over 400 aircraft operating safely to many lesser equipped Regional airports. EASA training and crew regulation are equal to CASA. And Ryanair haven’t had a fatal in jet operation either, one of the seeming qualifications for his top spot.
Folks,
One thing this thread illustrates is what a useless word "safe" is, "safe/safety" is a perception.
Grandma looking from the kitchen window at grandson poking the Bull Mastiff in the eye with a stick has a completely different concept of safe than said grandson.
We should all be talking about risk, which can be measured, and risk management.
I know it is trite to say it, but: "If you can't measure it, you can't manage it".
Safe is a dimensionless and largely emotive term, for management purposes (but not propaganda and spin --- because every sentient member of the public believes they know "what is safe") lets talk rationally about risk.
Tootle pip!!

PS: All Comrade Geoffrey is doing is following the standard Australian/CASA spin.
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 21:31
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
Didn't Emirates end up near the top of one of those 'safest' lists right after they crashed a 777 by attempting an aborted landing with the throttles at idle?
I seem to recall that The Australian's aviation opionista, BB, quickly exonerated the airline (and the pilots and the aircraft manufacturer) less than a week after that accident occured. Under the headline Emirates B777 crash was accident waiting to happen he opined,

It was not the fault of the pilots, the airline or Boeing, because this accident could have happened to any pilot in any airline flying any modern glass cockpit airliner ó Airbus, Boeing or Bombardier ó or a large corporate jet with autothrottle.
Seems like it was just one of those Rumsfeldian events that just, you know, happened.
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 22:31
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post
... How can Mr Thomas website pronounce QF the safest in the World? For example QF total airframes and operational sectors are miniscule compared with say Ryanair in Europe with over 400 aircraft operating safely to many lesser equipped Regional airports. EASA training and crew regulation are equal to CASA. And Ryanair havenít had a fatal in jet operation either, one of the seeming qualifications for his top spot.
Ryanair aren't IATA IOSA certified so that leaves them comparatively worse off on most ratings systems against airlines that are on the IOSA register.
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 22:38
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Originally Posted by readywhenreaching View Post
Each time in the new-born year I'm staggered seeing two worlds collide.

In World1 there is a change on top Finnair displaced Emirates as the first airline in the world

Whereas in World2 it steadfastly stays all the same https://www.traveldailynews.com/post...ntas-is-on-top

Can anyone see through this without becoming a non-believer in such ratings at all ?
It's all a matter of opinion.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 07:09
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Who could have the inside knowledge to come to those conclusions globally? Certainly not any armchair web-dataminers.
It's okay to want "simple answers" the reality might still be more complex.
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