Ryanair flight: 'Racial abuse passenger' referred to police
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Seems like the state of Thailand has a less than enlightened attitude to people from Eastern Europe.
That may have reflected in how useless your post on the topic is.
Most i could understand was "Don't talk to me in a foreign language".
Seems like a reasonable request but "I can't understand you" might have been more appropriate.
Anyway no matter race or anything he is being loud and sure seems aggressive yet not physically.
Who changes seat is not an indication of who "got his way". It is just the best solution if there is a disagreement for whoever of the parties is willing to change seats to do so.
It is in their best interest.
And judging from the video the passenger does not make the impression he is going to go on a rampage but that's not my call to make it was the cabin crews.
They decided the problem was solved for the time being.
If this verbal aggression deserves time in court is not my decision to make.
I probably wouldn't like to fly with this guy but to deny him transportation for life seems a bit harsh but it may very well be appropriate but also that is for Ryanair to decide.
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I agree. We have no idea, from the video posted on YT, how this unseemly incident kicked off. The video picks up on the vitriolic barrage of abuse from the man and more or less ends with him.
Quite possibly wrong but I have always thought that one had to prove damage for a trespassing charge to stick?
A Sydney, Australia lawyer, told me very recently that it is an offence to photograph someone without their permission, being careful to draw the line between deliberately taking a persons picture, without their permission and taking a picture that included a person but who was not the object of the picture. This was all related to drones but the lawyer did say that certain laws about taking a persons picture applied across the board . The photographer on the Ryan Air aircraft was, I think, without a doubt, photographing the man who was engaged in the dispute. IF the audio and visual here is illegal would it be inadmissible too? As soon as the defence can get two or three witnesses contradicting each other the case would surely be lost?
A Sydney, Australia lawyer, told me very recently that it is an offence to photograph someone without their permission, being careful to draw the line between deliberately taking a persons picture, without their permission and taking a picture that included a person but who was not the object of the picture. This was all related to drones but the lawyer did say that certain laws about taking a persons picture applied across the board . The photographer on the Ryan Air aircraft was, I think, without a doubt, photographing the man who was engaged in the dispute. IF the audio and visual here is illegal would it be inadmissible too? As soon as the defence can get two or three witnesses contradicting each other the case would surely be lost?
The idea that that evidence obtained in breach of a contract of carriage would not be admissible in a criminal proceeding seems pretty unlikely. Even if it was obtained in breach of the criminal law, the courts (at least in the UK and Oz) have a discretion to admit it.
There's plenty of videos on YouTube regarding the legality of filming in a public place. Usually they involve police or security guards objecting to being filmed during their interactions with the public. In the UK it is allowed and they can't stop it.
This incident is hardly worth police attention, I'm sure there are more important things they can do, such as dealing with moped crime in London.
This incident is hardly worth police attention, I'm sure there are more important things they can do, such as dealing with moped crime in London.
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If he told you that, he was quite wrong.
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I listened to it several times. He very clearly says "ugly black bastard". If you listen very carefully - the confusion comes from another passenger saying "listen" the moment he says "black" which makes it harder to discern the word and for some to incorrectly (and very generously) infer he's saying "blasted bastard". But he says "black". It's clearly a racist insult.
It's very easy to start throwing labels around and often they just make the situation worse.
This guy was guilty of appallingly bad manners and should be ashamed of himself.
If people behaved decently the world would be a better place....
This guy was guilty of appallingly bad manners and should be ashamed of himself.
If people behaved decently the world would be a better place....
You don't know all the details first hand, so in practise you may delegate that to your CM where you can. If you're told there's an aggressive man shouting racial abuse at a passenger unable to calm down or act in a civil manner, I know where I stand.
The question over whether the captain had enough information vs how you interpret someone's actions are different questions.
The question over whether the captain had enough information vs how you interpret someone's actions are different questions.
If both parties held overnight and Police are clear who the culprit is then ensure the innocent party gets returned home PDQ including if necessary sending whole aircraft just
to bring said person back.
It looks like CC did not have enough information to go on, which makes this a difficult call, which is which best referring it and getting PIC involved with Police and Ground Handling.
Probably a bit of refresher training needed but if CC did not see or hear ANYTHING then they rely on Pax to provide evidence, this can be difficult in a fraught situation like this.
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That's very racist of you towards the people of Poland for example.
Seems like the state of Thailand has a less than enlightened attitude to people from Eastern Europe.
That may have reflected in how useless your post on the topic is.
Most i could understand was "Don't talk to me in a foreign language".
Seems like a reasonable request but "I can't understand you" might have been more appropriate.
Anyway no matter race or anything he is being loud and sure seems aggressive yet not physically.
Who changes seat is not an indication of who "got his way". It is just the best solution if there is a disagreement for whoever of the parties is willing to change seats to do so.
It is in their best interest.
And judging from the video the passenger does not make the impression he is going to go on a rampage but that's not my call to make it was the cabin crews.
They decided the problem was solved for the time being.
If this verbal aggression deserves time in court is not my decision to make.
I probably wouldn't like to fly with this guy but to deny him transportation for life seems a bit harsh but it may very well be appropriate but also that is for Ryanair to decide.
Seems like the state of Thailand has a less than enlightened attitude to people from Eastern Europe.
That may have reflected in how useless your post on the topic is.
Most i could understand was "Don't talk to me in a foreign language".
Seems like a reasonable request but "I can't understand you" might have been more appropriate.
Anyway no matter race or anything he is being loud and sure seems aggressive yet not physically.
Who changes seat is not an indication of who "got his way". It is just the best solution if there is a disagreement for whoever of the parties is willing to change seats to do so.
It is in their best interest.
And judging from the video the passenger does not make the impression he is going to go on a rampage but that's not my call to make it was the cabin crews.
They decided the problem was solved for the time being.
If this verbal aggression deserves time in court is not my decision to make.
I probably wouldn't like to fly with this guy but to deny him transportation for life seems a bit harsh but it may very well be appropriate but also that is for Ryanair to decide.
and the courtroom got to see the full raw video(s) of what happened...which seems harder and harder on to actually find on t’internet as initially at least the search engines tend to lead one into watching the edited highlights of the argument complete with voiceovers, presenters comments and subtitles of what the man said, as shown by much of the the MSM.
I’m talking about everything that was captured right from the moment the “camera(s)” started rolling, without various profanities bleeped out so it’s absolutely clear who exactly is saying what (especially the multiple uses of the F word) and without the view being cropped so we can see all the body language and gestures made by all the participants in the fracas.
I’m talking about everything that was captured right from the moment the “camera(s)” started rolling, without various profanities bleeped out so it’s absolutely clear who exactly is saying what (especially the multiple uses of the F word) and without the view being cropped so we can see all the body language and gestures made by all the participants in the fracas.
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Now I confess that I'm no lawyer … BUT … surely there has been enough YouTuberry / casual chit-chat / idle speculation about this man's personality to justify a claim that any possible trial (if we were ever to pin down in which jurisdiction) would be fatally flawed in terms of prejudice?
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8602486.html
Seems CC acted appropriately in moving the people concerned away from each other, checking that each were ok, NO CLAIMS of racial abuse were made to them and based on that the CC believed the incident of 2 passengers shouting at each other was at an end.
Realising a racial element they referred it to Essex Police.
Seems CC acted appropriately in moving the people concerned away from each other, checking that each were ok, NO CLAIMS of racial abuse were made to them and based on that the CC believed the incident of 2 passengers shouting at each other was at an end.
Realising a racial element they referred it to Essex Police.
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Does anyone who’s watched the footage seriously contend that if it had been an elderly white lady who found herself between the vile Mr Mesher and his seat, he’d have become a paragon of patience and politeness? Yet had she been white she would have had no legal protection whatever from his disgusting tirade. Why is that fair? Indeed why isn’t it racist? Yet apparently the fact of even raising the question makes one an apologist for racism. Seriously?
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Does anyone who’s watched the footage seriously contend that if it had been an elderly white lady who found herself between the vile Mr Mesher and his seat, he’d have become a paragon of patience and politeness? Yet had she been white she would have had no legal protection whatever from his disgusting tirade. Why is that fair? Indeed why isn’t it racist? Yet apparently the fact of even raising the question makes one an apologist for racism. Seriously?