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Ryanair FO faints in flight

Old 30th Aug 2018, 13:51
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Ryanair FO faints in flight

It was probably lack of food and/or water.
Ryanair should review their no-food, no-water policy with their crews.

​​​​​​https://finance.yahoo.com/m/bad0beaa...ot-faints.html
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 14:29
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Maybe. Though I can't help but think he had just read his T&Cs of employment properly for the first time.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 14:33
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Fainted at the sight of his new payslip? Just curious...
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think he had just read his T&Cs
Fainted at the sight of his new payslip?
I can't see anything in the links which says the gender is a man.......is there something you both know?
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 15:05
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Originally Posted by Evanelpus
I can't see anything in the links which says the gender is a man.......is there something you both know?
The article links to a Fox News article which states his gender.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 15:15
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Originally Posted by The Range
It was probably lack of food and/or water.
Ryanair should review their no-food, no-water policy with their crews.
Man, a whole 3 hours without a meal, how can anyone survive that.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 15:21
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Hi
Could any of you FR24 experts dig up and post the approach and go-around track. With vertical profile.?
FR 3918.
All well that ends well. Good job!
I do want to land ASAP if Jr passes out BUT in the 737 an unconscious pilot needs to be reStrained so not to interfere with the controls on short final and landing.
On a Airbus not so much a problem,except for the feet.!?

Not something you want to deal with on short final.
Palermo on a dark and stormy night is not for the fainthearted , no pun intended!

Again : Good Job Cpt.
Safe regards
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 15:50
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Originally Posted by BluSdUp
in the 737 an unconscious pilot needs to be retrained so not to interfere with the controls on short final and landing.
That could take a while.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 16:07
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Man, a whole 3 hours without a meal, how can anyone survive that.
Where does that come from? Quite possibly it was the third or even fourth sector. It could have been seven or more hours, maybe without a coffee or even water. We don't know the facts; don't jump to conclusions.
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Originally Posted by BluSdUp
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Could any of you FR24 experts dig up and post the approach and go-around track. With vertical profile.?
FR 3918.

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Correction, new fault follows shortly. ( HQ)

Thanks Airbubba.
And many thanks Doug E, that was one of my better splelling mistakes.
I am now retraining myself and correcting.
Humbly
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Originally Posted by Herod
Where does that come from? Quite possibly it was the third or even fourth sector. It could have been seven or more hours, maybe without a coffee or even water. We don't know the facts; don't jump to conclusions.
Well, is the OP that jumped to conclusions, saying that it was probably because of lack of food or water.
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Old 31st Aug 2018, 17:37
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Lack of food is not really an issue if the person in question is otherwise healthy. However, lack of water certainly is. And depending on sequence of duty, lack of coffee or other stuff that wakes you up as well. Shouldn't happen, but i believe caffeine is mentioned in every fatigue risk training i have ever witnessed. Not as a long term solution, but to help in a pinch.

That mentioned, of course the number of possible issues that might cause someone to faint are numerous. I hope the FO in question recovered quickly and has no lasting problems over that.
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If he's incapable of bringing a packed lunch to work then he shouldn't be flying an aircraft.
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Just flew last month SOU-Verona-SOU on a Dash 8 - quite a longish sector for anyone in the prop - flying time, upto 2 hours 30 minutes

On both legs I never saw the Cabin crew once go in the FD with any drinks (or food), hot or cold - and on the way home to SOU I found that all the crew had operated down from GLA early that morning, and then were doing SOU-VRN-SOU, so a 3 sector day (not sure if positioning back, or Hotac in SOU)

My point is, on these 3 sectors I knew the crew were delayed from the outset of their early start day and so then endured quick turnarounds at both SOU and then again at VRN (remote stand and 35c temps) so where was their chance to sit down relax even for 10 minutes, have a bite to eat, and a drink?
The cabin crew were certainly not providing anything upfront nor checking on them in-flights.
On boarding at VRN we were faced with 'sit down quick you lot, or we lose out slot' barked at us by the CC as if it was all our fault - The skipper on the other hand, was calm and apologetic and worked hard with all the agencies to get a new slot for us within 10 minutes, rather than the 3 hours possible delay which we were told on boarding could happen.

So how these guys upfront (and the CC) got any sustenance and rest at anytime that day until they landed at SOU at 1525 beggars belief. (although the CC were down the back with the curtain closed for much of the flights, as there was barely any in-flight service provided)

In the past on a 3 sector day like that there would have been a hot crew meal on at least two of those sectors, plus sandwiches, snacks etc wherever you wanted it or not...

Any wonder why nowadays Crews are fed up, grumpy and get sick & ill...OK crew food then was often nowt to shout about but it was there, as were Pax meals to eat if any left.
Airline managements sew what they reap I'm afraid.

And do you really think a knackered crew member is going to make his/hers packed lunch everyday and pop it into a Tupperware box every morning at 4am when he wakes up on his 4th early? Nooooo.
Come on!
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As far as no meal service, it's Karma, pax complained for years about the lousy airline meals. Now the airlines don't have complaints about the nonexistent meals , nor the expense of expensive catering and unappreciative pax.
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Originally Posted by 750XL
If he's incapable of bringing a packed lunch to work then he shouldn't be flying an aircraft.
Yep, sign on at 0400 with your (personally made?) chicken/ham/beef/dead fish sambo for consumption at 1200. What is this, the dark ages?
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Yep, sign on at 0400 with your (personally made?) chicken/ham/beef/dead fish sambo for consumption at 1200. What is this, the dark ages?
Quite apart from the fact that you probably wouldn't get it through security

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Quite apart from the fact that you probably wouldn't get it through security

One thing a daily visit to Pprune does is make me appreciate what the good times were like, and how lucky I am to be retired.
Most airlines still feed their staff on board, even low cost ones. Especially as EASA FTL makes it quite clear that there have to be meal opportunities (which actually doesn't mean food, just time to consume it).

That said, going without food is not any issue at all, if the person in question is otherwise healthy. However, going without anything to drink is a huge issue, or without sufficient sleep.
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I am not having a go at you sir, (rog747), because I agree with you, but some replies to your comments:

Originally Posted by rog747
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On both legs I never saw the Cabin crew once go in the FD with any drinks (or food), hot or cold.............
They probably each chose a sandwich from the cool bag of crew food provided when they boarded the aircraft initially, and were probably given a big bottle of water each to last the day..

..................So how these guys upfront (and the CC) got any sustenance and rest at anytime that day until they landed at SOU at 1525 beggars belief. (although the CC were down the back with the curtain closed for much of the flights, as there was barely any in-flight service provided)
Welcome to low cost flying !! This is the reality folks.
No actual rest time, I agree, but they would eat their sandwich in the cruise. (That’s what the Autopilot is really for !)


In the past on a 3 sector day like that there would have been a hot crew meal on at least two of those sectors, plus sandwiches, snacks etc wherever you wanted it or not...
In the past, sensible prices were paid for tickets !


Any wonder why nowadays Crews are fed up, grumpy and get sick & ill...OK crew food then was often nowt to shout about but it was there, as were Pax meals to eat if any left.
Yep, no wonder at all. (But remember also that we have to wake up at 0300-0400 or not get to bed until 0100-0200 four to six days in a row). Slightly different to the average 9-5. We were not technically allowed to eat pax meals. Don’t ask me why.

Airline managements sew what they reap I'm afraid.
You meant < reap what they sow >

Passengers have been conditioned by the LoCos to expect to pay ridiculously low prices for a seat on an airliner. Less than other forms of transport for the equivalent distance and time.





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