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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 12:41
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Youve hit the nail on the head there. He’s a dispatcher/handler (probably Manchester) or the like with an attitude problem. Better he sticks to leftover catering than eats it up front.
Good effort, but incorrect.

If you're telling me Ryanair crew would rather eat an airline provided meal () than something brought from home then you're deluded. It takes no more than 10 minutes to stuff some food down your throat even on a 12 hour day.

People manage it all across the globe in a variety of different jobs.
Always assuming that said packed lunch is not confiscated by "security" at some point during the day.

If they're qualified to fly a big pointy thing with a few engines then I'm sure they can comply with the very simple security rules, which hundreds of thousands of passengers manage every day, then you'll be just fine.

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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 13:42
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Where's the fridge for my chicken sambos again?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 14:04
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
Where's the fridge for my chicken sambos again?
Probably the same place they would keep the food that everybody wants provided by the airline?
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Originally Posted by Luke258
Do we know which sector that was? I once had to fly 2 sectors according to the roster on day 5 of earlies. Long week, lunch plans after flight, so I only took a tiny breakfast and a small bottle of water. After we landed we've been told to fly 2 more sectors to STN. Picked up a big delay there. Had no food water or money on me to buy myself stuff in the aircraft. And part of me was to proud and pissed to ask anyone for money to buy at ridiculous high prices.
C'mon man, You must have some money with You at least to buy Yourself a sandwich and a bottle of water, You never know what can happen. What if the aircraft went AOG after Your first sector ?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 14:34
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Originally Posted by 750XL

If you're telling me Ryanair crew would rather eat an airline provided meal () than something brought from home then you're deluded.
That is a pretty sensible statement. If they were obliged to provide some crew food I am quite sure nobody would dare to eat it anyway *unless* there would be specific instructions on the type and variety of food to be provided like in many major carriers, where You can actually choose the type of food You want to eat. Other than that You can probably expect some plastic sandwiches fully loaded with preservatives of all kinds.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 15:01
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Originally Posted by sonicbum
C'mon man, You must have some money with You at least to buy Yourself a sandwich and a bottle of water, You never know what can happen. What if the aircraft went AOG after Your first sector ?
I'd assume a good employer would take care of their employees regardless of whether or not they have brought cash to work.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 15:43
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Originally Posted by schweizer2
I'd assume a good employer would take care of their employees regardless of whether or not they have brought cash to work.
True, but I'd assume an adult professional pilot would have a few bucks in his wallet to buy a sandwich and some water.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 16:53
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Originally Posted by schweizer2
I'd assume a good employer would take care of their employees regardless of whether or not they have brought cash to work.
Bit like a good employee spending their allowances down route on food ...............
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 17:48
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Originally Posted by 750XL
If they're qualified to fly a big pointy thing with a few engines then I'm sure they can comply with the very simple security rules, which hundreds of thousands of passengers manage every day, then you'll be just fine.
I take it you've never tried getting through staff search at MAN T1 then?
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley
Bit like a good employee spending their allowances down route on food ...............
I am willing to bet not all flight crews receive a daily allowance for food/water to spend down route.

This argument that is taking over the thread can go both ways, yes a responsible adult should carry some cash but why should he/she have to pay out of his pocket for an AOG? (as an example)

Can't this thread just get back to the status of the FO, any updates? Is he getting better?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 17:54
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I sit in the back in a paid seat that often times comes with a meal. This on many occasions includes very nice seats on very nice Airlines with theoretically great food. I bring a sandwich, you are welcome to my meal. I do like the free booze though.
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You cant take your own food as security will confiscate it.
you cant buy it down route as the 40 min turn round became 10 due delays and the other 5 sectors you were catching up
eat the pax meals and get sacked for theft.
have a beer 10 hours before turning up at the gate knackered due legal roster.......
the industry is f#£&Ē( and this poor chap is the result
get well soon and to everyone on their £10 ticket enjoy your holiday iwith the belief that nothing can go wrong.
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I buy food landside at the airport just before I go through security. Iíve never had any food confiscated. Ever. Iíve flown from pretty much every major UK airport.

There really is no excuse to not look after yourself and make sure youíre properly fed.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 19:23
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Sorry for the thread drift, while waiting to know what really happened to our colleague (I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with the poor lad starving himself anyway), can someone point out what kind of food is likely to be confiscated through security ? Just curious.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 20:08
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Originally Posted by sonicbum
True, but I'd assume an adult professional pilot would have a few bucks in his wallet to buy a sandwich and some water.
Ever happened to you that you simply forgot to bring cash or your wallet? Glad you're so adult and professional. One could say simply perfect 😊Anyway I'm not going to work assuming I'll be stuck on the ground at some Italian regional airport. Just wanted to give an example. And on some days many things go wrong. In that case, a bottle of water and a snickers or whatsoever would have been nice to get free of charge.
Some examples of food that are being confiscated are yogurts, salad dressings and I even heard of a guy that had to give away his lasagne. Of course with Ryanair you will have to buy yourself water airside for 3£. I know of stansted where they have the tap water machine. Wouldn't want to get my water though where hundreds of crews filled up theirs already.
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can someone point out what kind of food is likely to be confiscated through security ?
I know one of our crew had jam doughnuts confiscated at LGW once. Basically they'll confiscate any food with too much liquid content and that includes frozen liquid content. It's also random, one day you'll get your frozen chicken tikka masala through security, the next day it will get confiscated.

I must be one of those unhealthy people, because I cannot do a 10 hour plus duty without food, I'd end up feeling quite ill. And whoever thinks that there's time to run into the terminal and get food in a low cost operation is living in a dream world.

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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 08:07
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Originally Posted by simmple
You cant take your own food as security will confiscate it.
Completely random. Depends on whatever sort of 'chip on the shoulder' type you meet. Avoid MAN
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 08:43
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Originally Posted by Biggles78
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750XL appears to have the attitude of a former powered student pilot who couldn't go solo and as such moved to gliders.
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If he couldn't cut the mustard in power he almost certainly won't in gliders. True, no engine to deal with, but nothing like as easy as driving a car.
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Originally Posted by Luke258
Ever happened to you that you simply forgot to bring cash or your wallet? Glad you're so adult and professional. One could say simply perfect 😊Anyway I'm not going to work assuming I'll be stuck on the ground at some Italian regional airport. Just wanted to give an example. And on some days many things go wrong. In that case, a bottle of water and a snickers or whatsoever would have been nice to get free of charge.
Some examples of food that are being confiscated are yogurts, salad dressings and I even heard of a guy that had to give away his lasagne. Of course with Ryanair you will have to buy yourself water airside for 3£. I know of stansted where they have the tap water machine. Wouldn't want to get my water though where hundreds of crews filled up theirs already.
The thing is, if your employer does not provide you with food or refreshments (that's the way they are) then the importance of having food with you or means to buy food (i.e money) becomes important as much as having your licences and documentation with your prior to a flight. Just stick 20 bucks somewhere in your flight bag as emergency money in case you find yourself stuck in an Italian regional airport pulled out from stby at the very last minute and you forgot basically everything home except your licence. The brain works much better with a sandwich and some soda while you try to figure out how the heck you are going to get home.
Regarding overzealous security around, if you do have a legitimate doubt that they are not entitled to confiscate your food (ask them why) then take a picture of your gourmet meal and start a reporting process which could go up as much as to the UK CAA if needed.
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the issue of food and breaks in airliner flying I think needs to be seriously looked at.

You cannot drive a truck for more than 4 hours without a break. Nor work on a til in sainsburys.

Aviation and the marine industry is exempted, for understandable reasons, you cannot just pull over a jet into a lay by and take a break. I believe the rules were written by people that assume every aircraft has a bunk on board being long haul, or the airlines would be responsible and roster in long turn arounds for a break.

At the blue harp, with 25min turnarounds, it is impossible. You are locked in that cockpit all day, and if your lucky you get 2 mins outside for a walk around on every other sector. It is not safe, nor humane, to roster people for 12hr duties, then expect them to go into discretion for another 2 hrs, without a single break in such an un-natural environment.

Last week I caught a cabin crew eating his sandwich in the toilet on a turnaround because there is zero time in flight with their sales targets to not be doing some for of service, and he was not allowed to eat in front of the passengers....another colleague of mine was supposed to be deadheading for 2hrs, and in the end had to operate a 9hr day after an issue with the current crew, he had no food. Called ops to ask for permission to open galley, denied. Called duty pilot, denied. Told duty pilot the flight will be further delayed by 1hr (on top of the 2.5hrs delay already) while he goes to get food, and they accepted that, rather than giving him a 2euro box of pringles from the galley. This is their mentality. Get EU compensation claim rather than have a duty of care to their staff.

I do not believe that is what was intended with the rules, but that is how a large very successful company, has yet again circumvented the rules to keep their productivity high.
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