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EC notice on BREXIT issued, licenses/certificates invalid

Old 28th Jun 2018, 22:18
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Are we seeing a pattern here guys?

British Airways’ parent company, IAG, has astonished the aviation market by launching a new Vienna-based subsidiary airline with less than three weeks’ notice before flights begin.
Still feeling happy holding a UK Part-FCL LIcence?
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 10:59
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Is delaying the Brexit date on the table?
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 11:11
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superflanker No, that would require unanimous assent of the EU 28 nations (yes, UK as well) and time and patience is running short.
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 11:58
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Assuming that somebody knows that the piece of paper is needed,
I think it fair to assume that if a bunch of pilots on an anonymous forum know it is needed then CAA and EASA and the relevant minister knows. These people are not stupid, misguided, selfish and arrogant maybe but not stupid.
As said above, money talks, VERY loudly.
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 19:37
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Originally Posted by superflanker View Post
Sooner or later, UK will start to make a lot of concessions. Money rules this world, and this mess is not profitable for anyone, especially the UK.
Thing is, money rules the world, and money loves times of uncertainty and turmoil, which is of course a reason why Farages friends made already billions shorting the pound and others with setting up their fonds in ireland or malta. The old, but still true provert "buy when the cannons thunder" is not a bad indicator of that.

I don't think politicians know the minutiae of stuff like licenses, however, their support staff does. Which, in the end, does not matter all that much if ideology comes into play and that plays a huge role currently in british politics. Especially with the prominent role of the DUP and the weak parliamentary position of the Tories.
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Old 30th Jun 2018, 07:40
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post


I think it fair to assume that if a bunch of pilots on an anonymous forum know it is needed then CAA and EASA and the relevant minister knows. These people are not stupid, misguided, selfish and arrogant maybe but not stupid.
As said above, money talks, VERY loudly.
Maybe, just maybe, not the CAA & EASA officials - but have you ever MET a Minister of the Crown - let's just say the one's I have met over 40 years wouldn't be on University Challenge or Brain of Britain..............

the "Thick of it" wasn't a comedy - it was a documentary...............
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 08:53
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UK CAA steps up planning for disorderly Brexit

Reuters 10 July 2018:

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s aviation regulator has stepped up planning for a “no deal” disorderly Brexit, identifying how many new staff would be needed and preparing safety systems to take on work now carried out by European authorities.......

On Tuesday the CAA published information on its plans to fulfill functions now delivered by the European Aviation Safety Agency, EASA, should that become necessary.

The CAA has consistently stated the most positive outcome is that Britain stays in EASA, and the government has said it wants to explore the terms on which that could happen.

Airlines and aerospace companies such as Airbus (AIR.PA), which makes the wings for all its passenger jets in Britain, are worried about Britain being excluded from EASA because the body approves planes and aircraft components.

As part of its “non-negotiated” withdrawal plans, the CAA could need to hire 30 to 50 new members of staff, a source told Reuters, adding no such jobs were advertised currently.

The CAA also said it would need to cover some regulatory processes itself if there is no deal.

“Our preparatory work includes adjusting existing systems so that they could continue to work in exactly the same way as now – but with the UK Government and the CAA fulfilling regulatory functions independently of the EU,” the CAA said on its website.

“As an example, the CAA is creating the capability required for the UK to fulfill State of Design responsibilities independently of EASA should that be needed once the UK leaves the EU.”

UK aerospace industry body ADS has said it would take approximately 5-10 years for the CAA to rebuild its safety regulation capability to take over from EASA.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 09:58
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"UK aerospace industry body ADS has said it would take approximately 5-10 years for the CAA to rebuild its safety regulation capability to take over from EASA."

Meanwhile...?
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 10:13
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What happens in case of a soft brexit ( brexit light version)???
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 10:23
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Meanwhile...?
Precisely. I wonder if Theresa can come up with anything suitable now that two of her Three Stooges have resigned?

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What happens in case of a soft brexit ( brexit light version)???
In this case, we likely stay in EEA as an EFTA member rather than currently as an EU member and therefore stay in EASA/current Air Service Agreements. But remember, we're plucky Brits who do things the hard way and respect "the will of the people" (TM Theresa May, HoC, 9 July 2018). So is soft brexit likely to happen under this current "government"?
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 21:52
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It's not just aircraft and aviation.

The UK could, of course, decide ( or retaliate - take your pick ) that after the UK leaves the EU and is squeezed out of EASA, that cars need to have a UK issued Type Approval as those issued in France, Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Italy, Sweden, Spain, etc, are no longer applicable to a non-EU member.

Type Approval for Cars
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 06:51
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
It's not just aircraft and aviation.

The UK could, of course, decide ( or retaliate - take your pick ) that after the UK leaves the EU and is squeezed out of EASA, that cars need to have a UK issued Type Approval as those issued in France, Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Italy, Sweden, Spain, etc, are no longer applicable to a non-EU member.

Type Approval for Cars
Of course, the UK could do that. Which might hurt some OEMs, although currently they are more concerned about china and the US. And at least the german OEMs have already stated that the continued integrity of the EU single market is more valuable to them than a fudged brexit deal, although they would of course prefer a good deal, which includes UK membership in the single market and customs union.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 12:04
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Vehicle Type Approval (VTA) might be a little off topic. However, I would think that UK using the issue as a retaliatory tool against the EU, post brexit, might be a little ill advised. Proceed with caution might be a better maxim, especially as VTA is actually a matter set above EU level by UNECE (United Nations Economic Commission Europe) and its WP.29 (Working Party .29) group. The link you provide seems to be slightly misleading in that it gives the impression that the EU sets VTA standards. This is not the case; the EU accepts the UNECE/WP.29 rules handed down (rule taking, as our politicians quaintly term it) and then issues its own Directives for the EU28 nations to implement.

Dr Richard North, yet again, provides interested parties with immaculately researched and reasoned pieces on his blog here and here. Well worth a concentrated read if you wish to attain knowledge greater than the sum total of our "government".
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 12:34
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UK white paper released:

"...In some manufactured goods sectors where more complex products have the potential to pose a higher risk to consumers...the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) facilitate part of these regulatory frameworks.
the UK is seeking participation in these EU agencies, as an active participant, albeit without voting rights
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"a. for EASA, becoming a third country member via the established route under Article 66 of the EASA basic regulation, as Switzerland has;
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So, they want to stay in EASA.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 12:51
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The Future Relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union

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Participation by the UK in those EU agencies that provide authorisations for goods in highly regulated sectors – namely the European Chemicals Agency, the European Aviation Safety Agency, and the European Medicines Agency – accepting the rules of these agencies and contributing to their costs, under new arrangements that recognise the UK will not be a Member State.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 14:05
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Originally Posted by superflanker View Post

So, they want to stay in EASA.

The UK Government has been saying that from the start, it is not a sudden revelation. The Government even changed the 'Red-line' as regards ECJ jurisdiction to accommodate that wish.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 22:45
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The UK Government has been saying that from the start, it is not a sudden revelation. The Government even changed the 'Red-line' as regards ECJ jurisdiction to accommodate that wish.
Well, some of the government has been saying that.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 09:42
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The UK Government has been saying that from the start, it is not a sudden revelation. The Government even changed the 'Red-line' as regards ECJ jurisdiction to accommodate that wish.
We will see if EU lets UK choose whatever they seem to find advantageous and reject all those thing that are not.
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Old 14th Jul 2018, 01:33
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I think the statement in the past by some EU politician, advising the UK cannot have its cake and eat it seems still very much what the UK is expecting to happen.
Surely the UK remaining in EASA suits everyone?. It solves Airbus's problem of component certification and it provides a seamless transition for the airlines across Europe.

Is there a negative for anyone to the UK remaining in EASA?
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Old 14th Jul 2018, 11:46
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After Brexit and leaving the EU the UK could remain an associate member of EASA, however it would have no influence, have to obey its rules and most importantly it would be subject to the ECJ. If Brexiteers are happy with that, which I would seriously doubt, then that would be a way forward. If not, the UK will no longer be part of Open Skies and all the benefits that brings.
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