Drones threatening commercial a/c?
As the threat surely isn't limited to the "commercial a/c" aspect of this topic's title: a serious drone midair with a Black Hawk:
Sept2017 pics: drone hits Blackhawk helicopter over New York, debris embedded in fuselage
Sept2017 pics: drone hits Blackhawk helicopter over New York, debris embedded in fuselage
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News report of drone strike in Quebec
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Another in Argentina it appears
https://www.aeroinside.com/item/1053...7-drone-strike
Argentinas 738. Pic on Simon's site but hard to determine impact point.
Argentinas 738. Pic on Simon's site but hard to determine impact point.
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Brazilian CGH closed for 2 hours
Due to a drone presence, CGH airport was closed for 2 hours:
Drone causa cancelamento de voos em Congonhas por duas horas - São Paulo - Estadão [in portuguese]
Preliminary investigations couldn't find the responsible.
Drone causa cancelamento de voos em Congonhas por duas horas - São Paulo - Estadão [in portuguese]
Preliminary investigations couldn't find the responsible.
Hints of proposed legislation in the UK
Drone users in the UK will be required to do safety awareness tests as part of planned new legislation on their usage.
Police will also be given new powers to crack down on illegal use of the unmanned aerial vehicles.
UK drone users to sit safety tests under new law - BBC News
Drone users in the UK will be required to do safety awareness tests as part of planned new legislation on their usage.
Police will also be given new powers to crack down on illegal use of the unmanned aerial vehicles.
UK drone users to sit safety tests under new law - BBC News
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Communities all over the U.S. are passing local drone laws. They are all illegal. Only the FAA has jurisdiction over UAVs. In fact, the FAA's regulatory powers were diminished in September in a law suit brought by an attorney in Massachusetts. A federal judge ruled that noncommercial UAVs below the threshold weight need not be registered with the FAA, nor can the FAA charge a fee. The operational rules stand, though: noncommercial UAVs cannot be operated above 400 feet, agl, and not within 5 miles of an airport unless the airport authority gives permission.
In my local community in California the city counsel has passed a more restrictive code, which is unenforceable. One of the city's restrictions is a UAV cannot be operated within 500 feet horizontally of city-designated public buildings. I recently asked for the list of these buildings and am being stonewalled. Probably because the city manager failed to make any such designations.
My wife was shopping at the local WalMart yesterday. She said there were boxes and boxes of the "GPS Shadow Drone" on sale for $99.60. The new year should be interesting around here. We don't have enough local law enforcement to enforce the traffic laws, much less chase down errant drones.
In my local community in California the city counsel has passed a more restrictive code, which is unenforceable. One of the city's restrictions is a UAV cannot be operated within 500 feet horizontally of city-designated public buildings. I recently asked for the list of these buildings and am being stonewalled. Probably because the city manager failed to make any such designations.
My wife was shopping at the local WalMart yesterday. She said there were boxes and boxes of the "GPS Shadow Drone" on sale for $99.60. The new year should be interesting around here. We don't have enough local law enforcement to enforce the traffic laws, much less chase down errant drones.
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A little bit more than hints. Here is the news story on the UK government website that is behind the BBC article -
http://www.gov.uk/government/news/ne...-use-of-drones
Most of the stuff the government are saying was in their response to their drone consultation back in July.
http://www.gov.uk/government/uploads...t-response.pdf
The one thing that I haven't seen before is this -
http://www.gov.uk/government/news/ne...-use-of-drones
Most of the stuff the government are saying was in their response to their drone consultation back in July.
http://www.gov.uk/government/uploads...t-response.pdf
The one thing that I haven't seen before is this -
The Flying High Challenge, funded by the government and run by Nesta in partnership with Innovate UK, is set to launch tomorrow (Monday, 27 November) when cities will be invited to register their interest.
Up to 5 cities will be supported in the research and development of drone technology which could transform critical services in – for example, emergency health services and organ transport, essential infrastructure assessment and repair, and parcel delivery and logistics.
Up to 5 cities will be supported in the research and development of drone technology which could transform critical services in – for example, emergency health services and organ transport, essential infrastructure assessment and repair, and parcel delivery and logistics.
Good luck with that.
An expression involving genies and bottles springs to mind ...
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I think registration is only going to be mandatory for new purchases. Makes sense as they can enforce it through the machine setup/registration process. Mind you I think they could enforce on most existing machines the same way.
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'They' will not be able to retrospectively enforce these regulations. They also do not apply to 'model aircraft' clubs. Anyone with a malevolent intent can easily build their own remote controlled aircraft (RPAS) and of course if they do that there is no reason to use the standard communications and control channels, a simple cellular network number is all that is required. So all the jamming of standard frequencies will not work.
Why is it that bureaucrats think that passing a law against something will stop people with malevolent intent?
Why is it that bureaucrats think that passing a law against something will stop people with malevolent intent?
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Having looked through the new proposals published by Gov.UK, I am still at a loss regarding the definition of a "Drone" vs a model aeroplane or helicopter.
I can see where they are trying to go with this, and appreciate that the 250g lower limit will rule out the gadget shop toys.
Can anyone see where it is defined?
A 5kg helicopter flown badly (or flown well, in a bad place) is probably going to end up messily but harmlessly re-kitted.
But a 5kg moulded sailplane that "gets away", would be a different matter if it gets in the way of GA or airline traffic.
Note here, I am not in any way suggesting we regulate RC model flyers beyond the existing codes of practise.
I can see where they are trying to go with this, and appreciate that the 250g lower limit will rule out the gadget shop toys.
Can anyone see where it is defined?
A 5kg helicopter flown badly (or flown well, in a bad place) is probably going to end up messily but harmlessly re-kitted.
But a 5kg moulded sailplane that "gets away", would be a different matter if it gets in the way of GA or airline traffic.
Note here, I am not in any way suggesting we regulate RC model flyers beyond the existing codes of practise.
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EASA and the CAA use 'drone' as a synonym for unmanned aircraft. The coming changes will affect model aircraft. See EASA NPA 2017-05 2.3.1.5 (page 9).
If you fly a unmanned aircraft over 250g, you will be required to register. See table 2 on page 15 of the NPA.
There are hooks in the NPA that the DfT/CAA can hang exemptions for the model aircraft associations on, see article 14.
If you fly a unmanned aircraft over 250g, you will be required to register. See table 2 on page 15 of the NPA.
There are hooks in the NPA that the DfT/CAA can hang exemptions for the model aircraft associations on, see article 14.
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In other words, the same sensible legal framework that demands responsible ownership and use of any other potentially dangerous technology - like guns, cars and aircraft.
I'm sure that, behind the bluster, you understand the underlying principle that the more potential your behavior has to harm others, the more responsibility you have to behave intelligently.
Legislation takes time to catch up with technology and to fully understand the risk. When hobby UAVs were seen as 'just fun toys' there was no need for legislative control. Ten years on, the law needs to reflect widespread public fears that a hobby UAV could bring down an airliner. If these fears are unfounded, the law will never be used, and in time will drop off the statute book.
The current government proposed other laws or actions it has since dropped or not realised, and who knows whether the same government will be there in a few months time?
Off-topic: Boris Johnson said a year ago he wants to support Turkey's candidacy to join the EU, but looks unlikely to ever have the chance.
The draft Drone Bill, which will be published next spring, will give officers the right to ..
Pedantry corner: not quite, the draft bill is a proposal, for consultation, and the powers arise when legislation is actually passed, either the same as originally drafted or subsequently amended.
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'The bureaucrats' don't think regulation and legislation will stop people with malevolent intent. Legislation will, however, make it harder to implement that intent; will reduce (over time) the availability of the hardware to those with ill-intent; and will provide law enforcement and the judiciary with a robust legal framework to prosecute those who abuse the technology.
In other words, the same sensible legal framework that demands responsible ownership and use of any other potentially dangerous technology - like guns, cars and aircraft.
I'm sure that, behind the bluster, you understand the underlying principle that the more potential your behavior has to harm others, the more responsibility you have to behave intelligently.
Legislation takes time to catch up with technology and to fully understand the risk. When hobby UAVs were seen as 'just fun toys' there was no need for legislative control. Ten years on, the law needs to reflect widespread public fears that a hobby UAV could bring down an airliner. If these fears are unfounded, the law will never be used, and in time will drop off the statute book.
In other words, the same sensible legal framework that demands responsible ownership and use of any other potentially dangerous technology - like guns, cars and aircraft.
I'm sure that, behind the bluster, you understand the underlying principle that the more potential your behavior has to harm others, the more responsibility you have to behave intelligently.
Legislation takes time to catch up with technology and to fully understand the risk. When hobby UAVs were seen as 'just fun toys' there was no need for legislative control. Ten years on, the law needs to reflect widespread public fears that a hobby UAV could bring down an airliner. If these fears are unfounded, the law will never be used, and in time will drop off the statute book.
While I understand the intent - the cures being proposed need to be altogether better thought out by experts in all the areas affected or the cures could be worse than the disease.