Drones threatening commercial a/c?
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In UK there is an increasingly well-enforced licensing process for professional drone use. Unfortunately exactly the people who, after spending £1500 -£15000 on professional equipment are the least likely users to be buzzing neighbours or airports.
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Publice Spaces Protection Order
My Local Authority applies the following under a PSPO:
"The anti-social activities which currently take place in the Borough's Parks and OpenSpaces are litter, dog fouling, consumption of alcohol, large groups causing intimidation and using facilities out of hours, the use of motorbikes, smoking illegal substances, feeding pigeons and the use of radio controlled cars and aircraft. Although this is not an exhaustive list, it provides examples of the types of anti-social activities which a PSPO would seek to
control".
Under this order, a £50 fine can be applied. If it is applied, which is clearly not, as I have seen and heard flying R/C models in the air within sight of Northolt airfield
"The anti-social activities which currently take place in the Borough's Parks and OpenSpaces are litter, dog fouling, consumption of alcohol, large groups causing intimidation and using facilities out of hours, the use of motorbikes, smoking illegal substances, feeding pigeons and the use of radio controlled cars and aircraft. Although this is not an exhaustive list, it provides examples of the types of anti-social activities which a PSPO would seek to
control".
Under this order, a £50 fine can be applied. If it is applied, which is clearly not, as I have seen and heard flying R/C models in the air within sight of Northolt airfield
Yes, you could introduce a law saying that before flying they must be connected to the internet and registered, but given that almost all of these are manufactured in china, korea, taiwan etc I can't see that they would have much interest in complying. The vast majority of these things are purchased over the internet, usually from suppliers in china, korea, taiwan etc. If they choose to ignore such a law it would be extremely expensive to put sufficient import surveillance staff in place to prevent the shipments coming into this country.
Mind you I think they could enforce on most existing machines the same way.
You might want to do a bit of research into what these things actually look like before making sweeping assertions like this!
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UK CAA drone / UAV contact person
Hi folks,
Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask this, but I can't seem to find an appropriate place otherwise on this forum - mods please fix if necessary - apologies in advance.
My "problem":
Hoping somebody can give me a name or contact person at the UK CAA who is responsible for drones and UAVs.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask this, but I can't seem to find an appropriate place otherwise on this forum - mods please fix if necessary - apologies in advance.
My "problem":
Hoping somebody can give me a name or contact person at the UK CAA who is responsible for drones and UAVs.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
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Hi - depends which subject you want to talk about - if its policy / regs etc then try [email protected] if its comms / education etc
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Good intentions and step in right direction but yet again it's legislation piled on the already law-abiding. Professional operators are very unlikely to be yahooing around airports with thousands of £'s worth of pro equipment
The UKAB's latest report contains details of an October 2017 incident where a (BA) crew reported a drone passing 5 feet(!) overhead the F/O's window while on final approach to LHR over Kew.
Consolidated Drone/Balloon/Model/Unknown Object Report Sheet for UKAB Meeting on 6th December 2017
Consolidated Drone/Balloon/Model/Unknown Object Report Sheet for UKAB Meeting on 6th December 2017
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That was my first impression as well -- looks very CGI-like. Not that I would expect the Frontier crew to see a drone if one was in fact there, but does anyone know if they did report it? Or is the video the only thing the FAA is working with?
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The drone took off from Whitney Park and unclear when the incident happened.
"We became aware of this incident this afternoon and we are investigating," said Ian Gregor from the FAA.
In the video, the drone flies above Whitney Park for a few seconds. Then, an airplane flies towards it. When the drone turns around, the airplane is seen directly below it.
According to the FAA, a drone pilot who flies unsafely could face fines from of up to $1,437 per violation, while businesses that fly unsafely can face fines of up to $32,666 per violation.
On top of that, people who fly drones unsafely can face federal criminal penalties including fines of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment for up to three years.
Drone organizations have already condemned the incident.
"This pilot's actions not only endangered the flying public but has the potential to discredit an entire sUAS industry," Drone U said. "It is the opinion of Drone U and its members that the pilot receive swift and just punishment for this example of irresponsible and reckless flight. There is no excuse for this type of criminal behavior."
ONLY ON 8: Drone flies within feet of arriving aircraft at
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“These actions damage the entire UAS industry..”It’s unfortunate the regulations focus on industry I.e. commercial drones when it’s extremely unlikely a professional operator with a business and £5k or more of equipment at stake would be this silly.
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Helicopter crashes after manoeuvring to evade drone
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Here's the local news report cited in the Register article:
Charleston helicopter crash blamed on drone; FAA investigating - Live5News.com | Charleston, SC | News, Weather, Sports
Charleston helicopter crash blamed on drone; FAA investigating
Thursday, February 15th 2018, 8:04 pm EST
By Patrick Phillips, Digital Content Manager
DANIEL ISLAND, SC (WCSC) -
Federal authorities are investigating a helicopter crash that happened Wednesday near the southern tip of Daniel Island.
A Robinson R22 helicopter struck a tree and crash-landed Wednesday afternoon, according to Federal Aviation Administration spokesperson Kathleen Bergen.
Charleston Police met with the two passengers of the crash later that afternoon, according to an incident report.
The instructor told police he is a private helicopter instructor and was giving a lesson to a student pilot at approximately 3:30 p.m. While the student was practicing "low impact and hover taxi maneuvers" above undeveloped land on Daniel Island, they turned and saw a white "DJI Phantom quad-copter" drone headed into their airspace, the report states.
Police say the instructor took controls of the helicopter to avoid the drone and while attempting to land, the helicopter's tail rudder struck a small tree, causing him to lose control of the helicopter.
The instructor was able to land the helicopter on its rear landing skids but it turned over on its side, the report states.
The instructor notified the owner of the helicopter and FAA investigators.
The student told police they were about 50 feet above the tree line when the drone entered their fly space. She said when the helicopter struck the tree, several pieces of the helicopter hit surrounding brush causing the helicopter to turn on its side when it landed.
The FAA is investigating the incident.
Thursday, February 15th 2018, 8:04 pm EST
By Patrick Phillips, Digital Content Manager
DANIEL ISLAND, SC (WCSC) -
Federal authorities are investigating a helicopter crash that happened Wednesday near the southern tip of Daniel Island.
A Robinson R22 helicopter struck a tree and crash-landed Wednesday afternoon, according to Federal Aviation Administration spokesperson Kathleen Bergen.
Charleston Police met with the two passengers of the crash later that afternoon, according to an incident report.
The instructor told police he is a private helicopter instructor and was giving a lesson to a student pilot at approximately 3:30 p.m. While the student was practicing "low impact and hover taxi maneuvers" above undeveloped land on Daniel Island, they turned and saw a white "DJI Phantom quad-copter" drone headed into their airspace, the report states.
Police say the instructor took controls of the helicopter to avoid the drone and while attempting to land, the helicopter's tail rudder struck a small tree, causing him to lose control of the helicopter.
The instructor was able to land the helicopter on its rear landing skids but it turned over on its side, the report states.
The instructor notified the owner of the helicopter and FAA investigators.
The student told police they were about 50 feet above the tree line when the drone entered their fly space. She said when the helicopter struck the tree, several pieces of the helicopter hit surrounding brush causing the helicopter to turn on its side when it landed.
The FAA is investigating the incident.
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At the risk of exposing myself to some of PPrune's usual argumentum ad hominem, the headline of the Charleston article might more properly be phrased as "Helicopter pilot blames drone for helicopter crash" if the events are accurately reported.
Before we condemn either party in this accident, it would be interesting to know which of them was there first, whether it was 'see and avoid' airspace, what the Airprox geometry was (rules of the air), if the drone operator saw the R22 (FPV or direct vision), and why the instructor chose to land on a small tree instead of moving away.
It is entirely possible that both R22 and drone pilots were entitled to be operating in the same location and that, on this occasion the big sky theory let them down.
BTW, I am not a drone operator!
Before we condemn either party in this accident, it would be interesting to know which of them was there first, whether it was 'see and avoid' airspace, what the Airprox geometry was (rules of the air), if the drone operator saw the R22 (FPV or direct vision), and why the instructor chose to land on a small tree instead of moving away.
It is entirely possible that both R22 and drone pilots were entitled to be operating in the same location and that, on this occasion the big sky theory let them down.
BTW, I am not a drone operator!
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Considering the topic is now drone photos of aircraft, here’s a fellow who leans out of the open window of his Cessna to take incredible overhead photos. This one is of a stealth bomber over the Rose Bowl.
“The first thought that comes to mind staring at the photograph above is: This has got to be fake. The B-2 stealth bomber looks practically pasted onto the field. The flag is unfurled just so. The angle feels almost impossible, shot directly down from above.
And yet, it’s real, the product of lots of planning, some tricky flying, and the luck of the moment. The photographer, Mark Holtzman, has been flying his Cessna 206 around taking aerial images for years, since before the digital-photography days, and he’s developed his technique for just this sort of shot."
“The plane is my tripod, and it is a moving tripod,” he told me. In fact, the way he took this photograph was literally half-hanging out the window of his plane, his Canon 5D Mark III fitted with a 70–200 mm lens, working the rudder pedals on his craft to put himself in position to fly right over the bomber, as it approached at 200 miles per hour from the opposite direction.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...e-bowl/549545/
“The first thought that comes to mind staring at the photograph above is: This has got to be fake. The B-2 stealth bomber looks practically pasted onto the field. The flag is unfurled just so. The angle feels almost impossible, shot directly down from above.
And yet, it’s real, the product of lots of planning, some tricky flying, and the luck of the moment. The photographer, Mark Holtzman, has been flying his Cessna 206 around taking aerial images for years, since before the digital-photography days, and he’s developed his technique for just this sort of shot."
“The plane is my tripod, and it is a moving tripod,” he told me. In fact, the way he took this photograph was literally half-hanging out the window of his plane, his Canon 5D Mark III fitted with a 70–200 mm lens, working the rudder pedals on his craft to put himself in position to fly right over the bomber, as it approached at 200 miles per hour from the opposite direction.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...e-bowl/549545/