Southwest KLGA gear collapse.
you are on course and glideslope , right on speed and sink and IT DOESN'T Look right
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Quick question to the pilots on here. Do you think the lady involved will ever get a job as a pilot again ?
As mentioned earlier in this thread, at least one of the pilots in the Y2K Southwest BUR crash subsequently got his job back. Years ago a pilot who was fired by Eastern after a fatal crash later became chief pilot of a cargo non-sked out of MIA.
When diversity is considered, a checkered employment history has not prevented some folks from finding a job in night freight. Wouldbe FDX 705 hijacker Auburn Calloway was hired by FedEx after being terminated at several other employers including famously, Flying Tigers. RS (RIP) had a history of checkride failures and 609 rides at a previous employer before she was hired by FedEx. Her poor performance continued, culminating in her role as flying pilot in one of the other FedEx MEM Mad Dog mishaps.
I'm told one of the pilots in the recent BHM A300 crash was fired at a major pax carrier before coming to work at UPS.
Another pilot fired, uh, I mean allowed to retire, at this pax carrier now successfully sells interview preps and airline consulting services to prepare for 'the coming pilot shortage'.
In years past I've run into pilots who left the U.S. airlines for cause (or 'unfortunate' dates of hire) in that that infamous last refuge of scoundrels, expat flying.
The Captain of AA331 a 738 that crashed on landing in Jamaica has returned to flying duties. He completely destroyed his A/C and kept his job!! He must have a good Union.....
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...amaica-34.html
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...amaica-34.html
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Just to be clear, I've never claimed that all pilots who wreck airplanes are, or should be, fired. I just said that it's not an unexpected outcome and not unreasonable. Just as an example closer to the incident at hand, the Midway pilots were not fired, by Southwest, but the Burbank pilots were.
As an aside, the article linked to the AA crash in Jamaica says that the airplane had a 17 mph max tailwind limit. Is this true? I had always though that 10 knots was the standard Part 25 limit for Transport category aircraft. All the transport aircraft I've flown had 10 kt TW limits
As an aside, the article linked to the AA crash in Jamaica says that the airplane had a 17 mph max tailwind limit. Is this true? I had always though that 10 knots was the standard Part 25 limit for Transport category aircraft. All the transport aircraft I've flown had 10 kt TW limits
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10 knot tailwind was max at AA unless you were landing in San Jose, Costa Rica at over 3,000 ft. Then you could land with a 15 knot tailwind because circling to land minimums would require a go around because of the clouds not allowing a circle to land. Makes a lot of sense to our management people because of the bottom line. We know they are right because they are only looking out for our safety. Right!
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OK, thanks, I was under the mistaken impression that it said somewhere in Part 25 "thou shalt not certify a transport category airplane with a tailwind limit greater than 10 knots". Yeah, I know an Airbus probably isn't certified under Part 25 but usually there's come commonality between regulations on someting like this.
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15 Kts is an option on most if not all Boeing production aircraft these days. I believe it's standard on the 787. It's all a matter of checking the box and paying the associated fee.
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Spooky 2:
That's Boeing's marketing logo.
15 Kts is an option on most if not all Boeing production aircraft these days. I believe it's standard on the 787. It's all a matter of checking the box and paying the associated fee.
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"Based on the evidence available on PPRuNe. Nice."
Never mentioned evidence. Based on the contents of this thread, which is all 'most' of us know, and from what I have heard from sources outside of pprune.org, she shouldn't be hired as a pilot.
Biffed a landing, allegedly had issues with many of her peers, the company did fire her, etc. What would you do? Consider her for employment when there are others in the game with clean track records and demonstrated ability? We already know the issues that can arise from hiring pilots with less than stellar records. We know she was sitting in the seat at the time the nose gear drove into the electrical compartment..there's evidence. Oopsie, sorry, press on doesn't work. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Again, to be fair I would like to listen to the CVR and get her face to face version of what happened. It would seem the company has already done that, and the result is termination. Nice?
"Based on the evidence available on PPRuNe. Nice."
Never mentioned evidence. Based on the contents of this thread, which is all 'most' of us know, and from what I have heard from sources outside of pprune.org, she shouldn't be hired as a pilot.
Biffed a landing, allegedly had issues with many of her peers, the company did fire her, etc. What would you do? Consider her for employment when there are others in the game with clean track records and demonstrated ability? We already know the issues that can arise from hiring pilots with less than stellar records. We know she was sitting in the seat at the time the nose gear drove into the electrical compartment..there's evidence. Oopsie, sorry, press on doesn't work. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Again, to be fair I would like to listen to the CVR and get her face to face version of what happened. It would seem the company has already done that, and the result is termination. Nice?
You ask what I'd do.
I'd assess all the available data and make a decision based on the evidence that came to light in a proper investigation. As I'm not privvy to the relevant information, I would keep my mouth shut and let those who do make the call.
Is that such a radical idea?
I'd assess all the available data and make a decision based on the evidence that came to light in a proper investigation. As I'm not privvy to the relevant information, I would keep my mouth shut and let those who do make the call.
Is that such a radical idea?
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What I don't understand here - even someone whose only experience is in a Cessna 152 will understand enough about flight dynamics to not spike the nose gear. How is conceivably possible that the captain preferred spiking the nose to going around? How it is possible that those thoughts entered her brain? How could such a person ever become a commercial pilot? Wouldn't such poor understanding of flight dynamics in a large aircraft show up somewhere? I can understand screwing up through omission. But this is right up there with Air France 447 for the Worst Piloting Imaginable award...it's a miracle that the plane stayed on the runway and in one piece.
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The company had to build a case to present at any (likely) union grievance. The companies usually (but not always) win these termination for careless and reckless operating incidents/accident.
Again, to be fair I would like to listen to the CVR and get her face to face version of what happened. It would seem the company has already done that, and the result is termination. Nice?
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"Tell me, any CA here during their initial command training or subsequent upgrades receive ANY training/discussion in the sim on taking over from an FO, anyone here have any guide on this in their manuals? From my experience NO, yet some here expect a picture perfect result from it."
Haven't most CA's by the time they get to those levels have some instructing background? One would think that the knowledge of knowing just how long a rope you can safely leave someone before jumping in would have been developed there, especially initial student pilot instructing.
Haven't most CA's by the time they get to those levels have some instructing background? One would think that the knowledge of knowing just how long a rope you can safely leave someone before jumping in would have been developed there, especially initial student pilot instructing.
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More clarification of my point. Thanks. Should she be hired by another airline? Not in my book, but that's not to say it won't happen given HR track records. Weak sisters and brothers have a way of resurfacing. 
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Again, to be fair I would like to listen to the CVR and get her face to face version of what happened. It would seem the company has already done that, and the result is termination. Nice?
The company had to build a case to present at any (likely) union grievance. The companies usually (but not always) win these termination for careless and reckless operating incidents/accident.
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Again, to be fair I would like to listen to the CVR and get her face to face version of what happened. It would seem the company has already done that, and the result is termination. Nice?
The company had to build a case to present at any (likely) union grievance. The companies usually (but not always) win these termination for careless and reckless operating incidents/accident.