Koreanair A380 tail strike NRT
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Wow; 2 KAL engine pod contact incidents and some real funny videos on the B777 kangaroo landings at NRT. Looks like NRT will be a place to avoid for the Koreans. I heard they had a B777 heavy tail strike not too long ago too.
Coming back to the earlier engine pod strike, was that a B777 or B747? From an earlier post it seem that it was an expat, not a loca...can anyone confirm that. If it's an expat then the expats too had their fair share of boo boos too. I heard that one expat was summarily sacked after some botched non precision approach at ZSSS leading to near CFIT, another was sacked after loss of radio comm in China, and another after line check failure from an expat checker. A friend told me that these were only a few of the boo boos by expats; there were many others too. These, if true at all, certainly put paid to the notion that the expats are any better than the locals. Small wonder Mr/Mrs/Ms haejangkok and admiral shin make much of the riff raff thingy!
Coming back to the earlier engine pod strike, was that a B777 or B747? From an earlier post it seem that it was an expat, not a loca...can anyone confirm that. If it's an expat then the expats too had their fair share of boo boos too. I heard that one expat was summarily sacked after some botched non precision approach at ZSSS leading to near CFIT, another was sacked after loss of radio comm in China, and another after line check failure from an expat checker. A friend told me that these were only a few of the boo boos by expats; there were many others too. These, if true at all, certainly put paid to the notion that the expats are any better than the locals. Small wonder Mr/Mrs/Ms haejangkok and admiral shin make much of the riff raff thingy!
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2) there was an airbus instructor onboard
The fact that someone stated an Airbus instructor pilot was onboard HAS COOLED DOWN ALL THE INSINUATIONS AND INNUENDOES
I landed in NRT on the 21. The conditions were very chalenging. I have 18000+hrs and have flown Boeing, Douglas, Lockheed, and now Airbus. It was possibly the most difficult landing I have ever done. I am not supprised that someone touched a pod.
The met report does not do justice to the gusting cross wind conditions
The met report does not do justice to the gusting cross wind conditions
Ace hit it right on, the fact that they had an Airbus Instructor onboard certainly curtailed a lot of racially charged innuendoes to be lobbed over in this thread.
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Having flown with a pilot who quit KAL after only 3 months there, I don't think it has anything to do with Expat or Local. The culture there is wrong and that is what needs to be fixed.
CRM is non-existent and they still rely on the old "saving face" way of doing things. It is hard to believe in this day and age that we still have major airlines behaving like this, but I guess old habits die hard.
It strikes me as unusual that an aircraft with a pod strike can take-off again without a full teardown of the engine. Regardless of the visible damage, I thought they would at least do a thorough check of the wing structure and pylon before the aircraft is released into service again.
But I guess these questions will be answered when the full investigation is released... Oh yeah, that won't happen at KAL.
CRM is non-existent and they still rely on the old "saving face" way of doing things. It is hard to believe in this day and age that we still have major airlines behaving like this, but I guess old habits die hard.
It strikes me as unusual that an aircraft with a pod strike can take-off again without a full teardown of the engine. Regardless of the visible damage, I thought they would at least do a thorough check of the wing structure and pylon before the aircraft is released into service again.
But I guess these questions will be answered when the full investigation is released... Oh yeah, that won't happen at KAL.
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I can't agree with you more.
Neither did we celebrate the misfortunes of all the first world pilots who had come to grief in other unfortunate accidents or incidents. We have the human respect and professional courtesy of not wishing others ill in times of misfortune.
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Aye, aye Captain!
I can't agree with you more.
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Neither did we celebrate the misfortunes of all the first world pilots who had come to grief in other unfortunate accidents or incidents. We have the human respect and professional courtesy of not wishing others ill in times of misfortune.
You're saying what I wanted to say exactly.
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Neither did we celebrate the misfortunes of all the first world pilots who had come to grief in other unfortunate accidents or incidents. We have the human respect and professional courtesy of not wishing others ill in times of misfortune.
You're saying what I wanted to say exactly.
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Heard from someone in kimchiland it was it ended up with a skid mark on the #4 engine drain mast. I guessed the grease monkeys determined that there was no cause for alarm and off they went back to ICN.
Heard that someone big at Air Asia X who was formerly from KAL says that the company only want young Korean skippers on the A380; the older folks are almost untrainable for such high tech aircraft.
Heard that someone big at Air Asia X who was formerly from KAL says that the company only want young Korean skippers on the A380; the older folks are almost untrainable for such high tech aircraft.
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Heard from someone in kimchiland it was it ended up with a skid mark on the #4 engine drain mast. I guessed the greased monkeys determined that there was no cause for alarm and off they went back to ICN.
Well, as someone who currently flies the A380, but who has lots of time on both the 747 and the 767, plus numerous flights into Tokyo...I can say that I sympathise with the crew. The 380 is easily the worst aircraft that I've ever flown in gusty crosswinds.
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Does anyone think the change of Control Law (from Normal Flight Mode to Normal Ground Mode) could have played a part here, as in the Hamburg tip strike?
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Heard that someone big at Air Asia X who was formerly from KAL
Now who can that be except for that g string who pranged the 744 engine pod on the same flight no. KE 701 circa 2004/2005
The 380 is easily the worst aircraft that I've ever flown in gusty crosswinds.
An aeroplane strikes a pod and we defend the crew for the wx environment. I operate into all these ports in Asia and experience weather extremes. I operate the aircraft to its certified limit and walk away without filing a safety report.
The weather exceeds my aircraft limitations and I delay the the approach or conduct a missed approach. To use the weather as a reason for aircraft damage is an excuse for poor decision making and piloting skill.
I operate with pilots of Far East origin and the problem lies in the culture, something that has developed over 100's of years. Unfortunately this culture conflicts with the modern day flight deck.
The weather exceeds my aircraft limitations and I delay the the approach or conduct a missed approach. To use the weather as a reason for aircraft damage is an excuse for poor decision making and piloting skill.
I operate with pilots of Far East origin and the problem lies in the culture, something that has developed over 100's of years. Unfortunately this culture conflicts with the modern day flight deck.
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I operate with pilots of Far East origin and the problem lies in the culture, something that has developed over 100's of years. Unfortunately this culture conflicts with the modern day flight deck.
Is it really a stand alone Asian culture problem or perhaps more of a company culture problem with KAL?
Give these guys a break, being new on type, gusty crosswinds (on a FBW Airbus!) on a challenging airport like NRT!
This will definitely hasten the arrival of expats on the fleet.
They have blamed the pilot for his excessive use of rudders and sidestick causing increasing bank.
The most unsurprising aspect about it is the 'real' story that they have blamed the Airbus instructor who did not intervene and should have maintained control.
At low altitude in the flare it is virtually impossible for an instructor to correct such an unexpected adverse roll input but clearly a local instuctor would have been able to do so....mmmmm
So take that Airbus- KAL telling them they should have done better!!!!
They have blamed the pilot for his excessive use of rudders and sidestick causing increasing bank.
The most unsurprising aspect about it is the 'real' story that they have blamed the Airbus instructor who did not intervene and should have maintained control.
At low altitude in the flare it is virtually impossible for an instructor to correct such an unexpected adverse roll input but clearly a local instuctor would have been able to do so....mmmmm
So take that Airbus- KAL telling them they should have done better!!!!
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Maisk rotum, the almighty airbus 380 instructor is on the right seat. Who log as p.i.c for this flight? Therefore, you can never fault the commander for such mishap below 50'? This make my job as p.i.c as easy as pie. Unbelievable!
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Heard from someone in kimchiland it was it ended up with a skid mark on the #4 engine drain mast. I guessed the greased monkeys determined that there was no cause for alarm and off they went back to ICN.
The KAL ground engineers who were there, the Japanese engineers who were there, the Airbus field rep(s) who were there and inspected the aircraft.
Or the KAL flight crew?
Please let us know.
Yes, for info, it kissed the drain mast on #4 and the engine pod/cowls suffered no damage.
I suggest you have a close look at your English, as well.