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Ryanair incident Ciampino.

Old 10th Nov 2008, 12:43
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Evacuation

It seems they didnít use all the Emergency Exits to evacuate Ö Strange.

Anyway, congrats to the crew ... Everyone is safe and alive
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 12:58
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Well done guys

I just wanted to say congratulations to the flight deck for landing in extremely difficult circumstances and all the cabin crew and ABP's who evacuated all pax to safety!!
Multiple bird strikes, double engine trouble and only minor injuries...
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 12:59
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really depends how far the damage goes, this being a 2008 B738, it'll have a high hull value (c$50m)

even assuming it was a left gear only initial touchdown, chances are the right main gear and perhaps nose will have contacted the tarmac pretty hard too, also depends on the FOD damage to the engine(s), with all of those factors added together it could be a Constructive Total Loss (albeit with a high salvage value for insurers)
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:00
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It seems they didnít use all the Emergency Exits to evacuate Ö Strange.
Not really - if the commander has any reason to think that the #1 engine has any fire risk, the evac will be on the other side: it is sitting on that engine. (Passenger will probably have opened the overwing exit).

Come on - these are basic comments here - is anyone here actually involved in aviation, or do we have to go through the simple questions once again?!
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:03
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Probably Starlings

I was just in Rome for the weekend and I was surprised to see enormous flocks of Starlings winging about above the city in a completely unpredictable fashion. Apparently millions of them make Rome their winter home and they cause all sorts of problems, which I can personally attest to. My wife and I had a Hitchcock moment when we had to leg it out from under a row of trees after it started raining starling-doo on us. It answered the question of why such a picturesque section of the Tiber was so deserted!

If they flew through one of the extremely dense flocks I saw then they would definitely have suffered serious damage.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:03
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Pic from ryanair.com

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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:05
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The GoAround is confirmed by a PAX who describes: "loud bang, aircraft flying up, then nose down"
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:07
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Some more pics....

... can be found here: Notlandung: Ryanair-Zwischenfall in Rom - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten - Reise

As I am not an expert but only a much to frequent SLF: on picture #3: is that the no. 1 engine thurst reverser deployed or just a result of the engine having contact with the ground?

Cheers,
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:18
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Just looking at that last picture from Ryanair.com I can count at least 40 noticable strikes! That must have just been a wall of birds! Scary stuff.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:19
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Well if PAX said there was a G/A it must be true
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:23
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Well if PAX said there was a G/A it must be true
No PAX said there was a G/A. I doubt any of them know what a G/A is. One of them describes after an event flying upwards then the aircraft pitching down. Which matches the aborted G/A story posted earlier this morning.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:33
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I tried to count splatters and got around 20 from one picture, you can see them from the nose cone all the way out to the leading edges. A mass would've been sucked through both engines too. A very serious incident here with a safe ending.

The commander evaluated and then re-evaluated (based on speculation from here), his decisions got the job done in a very serious situation. A damaged aircraft in the most critical stage of flight that probably became a glider of some sort due to extensive damage to both engines from bird ingestion. Well done to the crew!
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:35
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All I can do is add to the comments above. Well done guys. A single engined go around is something that can go quickly t*ts up in careless hands and the brown trouser factor of dire warnings on the other engine can either focus the mind or kill people. Thankfully today this crew showed why it's not all about button pushing...
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:45
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KaptKremin

Quote:
"Many variables, but on a complex twin jet its basically what you are trained to do.
If you have a (single) engine malfunction/failure (and depending on height/distance to RWY /weather etc) it is generally considered safer to Go Around and sort the problem out at a safe height and speed (probably in the Hold), do the correct engine drills, get the Emegency Services T'eed up, do your Performance Calculations, Brief the Cabin Crew and passengers - and then go in for a text book touchdown. No drama.

However, the real world doesn't always work that way, as was seen with BA038, and now this incident.

If they had no other choice the crew did a great job to pull this off without a catastrophe.

Well done lads."


Yes, a number of variables, but....
short final, multiple bird-strike, one engine out or just above idle, no idea of the conditions of the other engine...LAND!!
No looking for text book landings nor for passengers applause.
And I'll tell you what, engine drills made on the ground with the evacuation checklist.
And this is probably what the crew just did, and walked away...
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 13:49
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Lightbulb

Originally Posted by Mortigitempo
does anyone know the reg??
Yep, the reg is EI-DYG.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 14:08
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Looks like an EXTREMELY good bit of flying to me. Yeh , I count at least 25 strikes from the big picture. VERY SCARY. Great job by the crew!

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Old 10th Nov 2008, 14:13
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Kudos to the ťilots for the handling, and to Ryanair for posting the picture on their wbsite.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 14:40
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Bit of news I just heard... ofcourse only a rumour at this stage.

While on approach they had a birdstrike and 1 engine failed, tried to go around on the remaining engine which then had a bird strike and also failed... Came in BA777 style.

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Old 10th Nov 2008, 14:44
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in my opinion,when established on final,if you enter a flock of birds, then it's too late for a go around;if you do so ,be sure to destroy the remaining engine(s) whith birds enterings fans at high N1 setting at a time you need all remaining power to gain altitude
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 14:47
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From sky news:

"The Boeing 737 bound for Frankfurt landed safely in Rome despite birds being sucked into one of the engines."

Quality journalism as usual from our british friends
And this is at 2pm, 5 hours after the incident
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