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Ryanair incident Ciampino.

Old 10th Nov 2008, 14:50
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I suspect that in an ideal world the airframe would be a write off but the temptation to allow Boeing to get it back in shape would allow Ryanair to maintain they've never lost an airframe yet.

Handled remarkably professionally. I am surprised but I cannot fault them, well done.

"Now get away from the desk as you saw on the news your bloody flights been cancelled........"
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Passenger describing a pitch up movement doesn't not necessarily indicate a go-around.

Birds tend to dive at the last second and most pilots tend to pitch up to avoid them.

How about letting the real facts be known before coming to any conclusions?

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I'm with Makolo on this one. If it really was the case of multiple bird strikes on finals in landing configuration with at LEAST one engine damaged I don't think I'd be going around. I'd be trying to get on the ground ASAP.

But hey, I wasn't there and it no doubt required a split second decision so well done to them for getting it down in one piece.

Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing!

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That looks very nasty. Big heavy blood stains-clearly not some diddy song birds!

Well done to the crew-good job.

Can we ditch CIA now?
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Birds tend to dive at the last second and most pilots tend to pitch up to avoid them.

How about letting the real facts be known before coming to any conclusions?


I would love to see the comments of how many pilots try this pitch up maneuver in a large B737 to avoid birds during finals
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 15:26
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The DV window is opened to depressurise the aircraft quickly to ensure all exits will open during evacuation. Isnt this ryanair evacuation checklist?
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Birds tend to dive at the last second and most pilots tend to pitch up to avoid them.
Youre having a laugh!? So on approach you telling me pilots of medium jets are destablising their approaches just to miss a bird!?
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 15:34
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Well done to the crew simple as..... Rome is bad for flocks of birds. Hope they get the recognition for it.


Regards
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 15:38
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I assume there is a fuel tank in the area where the landing gear punched through? I guess all can be thankful that nothing worse happened.
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Excellent airmanship
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 15:45
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EI DYG delivered to Ryanair 27th March 2008. Brand new airframe!
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 15:55
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Why did the aircraft go around?

That's not a normal thing to do when faced with a flock of birds/bird strike/engine failure/engine fire/whatever . . on final is it?
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 15:59
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Hi All! (my first post here)

@lgwops - What do you mean by dramatic effect? Blood? Assuming this is blood, it is visible on two photographs so it is probably not a fake.

@bizzy liz & JW411- I don't know about commercial aviation but looking at Russian fighters like Mig-29, Su-27, there is a technology to protect engines. For Su-27 it is quite sophisticated device as far as I remember. It is not a permanent bareer and it is used during take off and landing only. It was designed to make these planes being able to operate from very poor, dirty runways but I don't know if it applies to birdstrikes.
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Why did the aircraft go around?

That's not a normal thing to do when faced with a flock of birds/bird strike/engine failure/engine fire/whatever . . on final is it?
Who said that it did actually go around or try to?
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Damn, judging by the pictures I've seen it looks to be one hell of a birdstrike.
Well done to the crew on getting everyone on the ground safely. I just hope the tabloids give them the praise they deserve, not slate the airline.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 16:02
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It would be nice if everyone started their post with "I am a 737 pilot" or "I am not a pilot" or words to that effect. It would make it a lot faster to read through the thread as we could skip the opinions of people who haven't got a clue what their on about.

BTW, I'm not a pilot!
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Birds tend to dive at the last second and most pilots tend to pitch up to avoid them.
Youre having a laugh!? So on approach you telling me pilots of medium jets are destablising their approaches just to miss a bird!?

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OMG, the destablised approach! If you perceive that you're going to fly into a bird, or a flock of birds, would you say "I can't do that it will destablise the approach? or would you pull back slightly on the yoke?
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Every time I admired the wonderful view of those very large flock of birds around CIA airport, I knew that one day someone was going to have bad luck.
That day has come.

Good luck to all concerned


FR CIA based pilot.
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I would love to see the comments of how many pilots try this pitch up maneuver in a large B737 to avoid birds during finals


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We're not talking acrobatics. The amount of pitch change needed is slight.

"Large 737"? Size is relative. Jumpseated on one last night. No thanks.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 16:21
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Spot on!

Wonder how it'd have turned out if the same a/c had hit the same birds- on take off!

Time to revise the bird control at CIA methinks!
 

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